Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Multiverse Madness
I would like to add Beyond Redemption to the No Real Life Examples, Please! page. The trope is when a good guy decides that a bad guy is not worth redeeming anymore, and labeling real people as "good guys" and "bad guys" is already taboo.
The fantasy RPG videos that play in my head are amazing.
No-lifer
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
The trope doesn't have a real life section, hence there is no need to add it to the crowner.
Granted, but is that information useful?
No-lifer
By the way I forgot to call keeping real life examples for Ridiculously Cute Critter.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Very Spooky
Any more thoughts on Basement Dweller?
back lol
The Draftsman of Doom
I say it may be added, what do others think?
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Yea, I’d say it’d be the kind of trope that’d it be prone to gossip and stereotypes. Put it on the list.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
x5 I'm inclined to say no, since it has nothing to do with fictional, in-universe examples.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 29th 2020 at 2:50:36 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
No-lifer
Okay. The information can be lost to history. I was asking because it's the inspiration for the trope.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
The folder for figurative real life examples for Witch Hunt was brought up on ATT, and it was pointed out that there are three ROCEJ sinkholes in a row at the end of the example list.
Edit: It was in this thread. I didn't cross-reference this post there, since a mod handled the report the thread was for before that was posted and the thread was getting long.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 29th 2020 at 11:20:15 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
So, The Sociopath has a Real Life page. Now it mentions that it's only to list people who've been diagnosed with sociopathy, except that I'm not sure if that's a clinical diagnosis. I found differing sources, some claiming it's still valid, others saying that it would be more accurate for "sociopaths" to be considered to have psychopathy or anti-social personality disorder.
I dunno, is this page crossing the line? Particularly since we tend to use The Sociopath as a villain trope?
she/her
The ambiguity surrounding whether it's a valid diagnosis or not, combined with the whole "might as well be a villain trope" thing, means that I'm in favor of adding it to the crowner.
Edited by Serac on Jul 30th 2020 at 10:00:56 AM
No-lifer
Why did we allow real life examples for that in the first place?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
🏳️🌈🎃
The version of the DSM 5 I've got includes antisocial personality disorder, but does not include diagnosing someone as a "sociopath" (or "psychopath" or "psychopathy" for that matter). As noted, not everyone agrees with using it as a clinical diagnosis, or what the criteria of that diagnosis would be. Ethically speaking, you can't diagnose someone you've never treated, and you can't treat your own relatives thus can't diagnose them. Self-diagnoses aren't considered a clinical diagnosis. I believe some examples should be deleted on that basis, like Mary Trump diagnosing Fred Trump, ancient history's Alcibiades, possibly Sam Vaknin...
Undecided about making this no real life examples, but I wouldn't be mad if it became that.
Covered in Star Wars Cleanup, Deadpool, and Web Video sand. I'm not coarse and rough, but I get everywhere.
No-lifer
We should crown this thing. I think it should have banned real life examples long ago.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
she/her
It's on the crowner now.
No-lifer
I must ask. How do we determine if a trope is gossipy in real life?
Limpin' with the bizkit.
I think limiting The Sociopath to those who were professionally diagnosed could work.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
As was previously discussed, it probably isn't a valid diagnosis, so the amount of professionally diagnosed people could very well be zero. And if it used to be valid, I'd like to point out that psychology (and medicine in general, for that matter) doesn't exactly have a spotless record when it comes to what used to be considered valid (including the fact that lobotomies were used at all).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 30th 2020 at 2:59:37 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Lost in Space
Talking about real life people's medical conditions as trope examples is utterly depraved on a site like ours. No thanks.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 30th 2020 at 4:40:51 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Discarded and Feeling Blue
I agree, that's just a bad idea no matter how you slice it. Hell, we have debates on whether or not certain characters qualify, and they're fictional characters written with intent.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Damn, you talk like having that page makes us Complete Monsters. You just seem extremely vocal when it comes to removing things off of this wiki.
But yea, I never understood why we allowed that section in the first place. I wish I could yell at whoever made the real life page.
Anyway, what do you guys think of Reformed, but Rejected?
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jul 30th 2020 at 7:57:48 AM
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Very Spooky
Morality trope, so it should be added to the crowner.
Heel–Face Brainwashing and Heel Face Mole are morality tropes as well, so I also believe they should be added to the crowner.
Edited by jandn2014 on Jul 30th 2020 at 6:55:33 AM
back lol
No-lifer
Seconded.
Can we try to please slow down on crowner additions? It's getting a bit overwhelming.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Jul 30th 2020 at 3:56:36 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
she/her
We can delete the real life section on Heel–Face Brainwashing just for being nothing but general examples, and we can file it under "impossible in real life" as well.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
We should be setting the options that we called the crowners for closed.
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