Sexy Backless Outfit has a commented out requirement that all examples be Fanservice, so the mention of:
"This may be the standard outfit of a female Winged Humanoid, since wearing almost anything else would be impractical."
Should be removed, since not all backless outfits of Winged Humanoid females are Sexy??
Also perhaps the sexy requirement should be uncommented out and moved into the description?
Edited by Malady on Aug 13th 2018 at 12:50:04 PM
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Yeah, I think commenting out was a mistake by the one who wrote the description (checking the history reveals the line had been part of the article since it was created).
On a different note, the vast majority of By the Power of Grayskull!'s description essentially boils down to Transformation Phrase (why wasn't that the name of the trope???)... yet there's one line near the end that claims a much broader definition of "activation password for the Applied Phlebotinum", which is matched by the laconic, and then muddled further by the Playing With subpage's Basic Trope entry being "Superpowers are activated by voice", which is a whole different ballpark note . The history doesn't list any edits pertaining to that line at all, indicating that it's very old, possibly even dating to the page's creation (which evidently predates the current history page as well as the old YKTTW system being made mandatory for trope creation).
So... What is By the Power of Grayskull! supposed to be about? Is it so bad that it should be sent to the Repair Shop?
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How about the examples? How do they go?
Rephrasing the requirement from "over two Media" to "at least three media", so the minimum number is prominent, instead of having to be figured out?
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They seem to be mostly transformations (whether of the character or of a weapon they're using), but some are decidedly not (e.g. simple spellcasting).
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Yes. That would be an improvement.
Then the last sentence in the description is too generalizing and has to be edited.
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Generalize to more than just In-Universe playable video games, to In-Universe playable card games, like Witcher's Gwent, etc?
Or even rock-paper-scissors?
Is that too much, and should be TRS?
Arena fighting wouldn't be a game, would it?
Note how they're usually One Word Titles, and Character Titles?
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Unique Protagonist Asset says "The asset must be unique, endowed upon an individual, but there are four exceptions to this rule:"
The exceptions seem less like four well-defined exceptions and more like "it doesn't have to be literally one-of-a-kind, just uncommon enough that it matters". Should we rewrite the description so it just says that?
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Even you admit it's well defined.
If we don't keep them, we'll have issues with the incoming examples, so no, they should stay
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Would like to rephrase the comparisons on Rebellious Princess and Spirited Young Lady.
My understanding of the differences is that:
- A Rebellious Princess takes issue with her royal obligations, and is ready to discard her title/cause scandals/disobey orders/etc. in order to either get away from them (or possibly in order to do what she believes is right).
- A Spirited Young Lady engages in some eyebrow-raising behavior, but stops short of causing major scandals because she is content with her social position.
The current comparisons only emphasize their respective social standings:
- From Rebellious Princess: "For characters a little lower on the social hierarchy, see Spirited Young Lady." (This also makes it sound like a Spirited Young Lady is just a rebellious duchess or something. )
- From Spirited Young Lady: "Compare Rebellious Princess, who's of a higher social standing but may behave similarly."
I mostly have issue with the one from Rebellious Princess, but I think they could both be better. My suggestions:
- For Rebellious Princess: "For characters who subvert expectations without outright rebelling, see Spirited Young Lady."
- For Spirited Young Lady: "Compare Rebellious Princess, who may behave similarly but is of a higher social standing and usually takes her rebellion even further.
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It's using multiple lengthy bullet points where a few sentences would suffice and unnecessarily dividing up what is essentially a single concept. They're "not well defined" in that there's no reason to consider the differences between them.
The bullet points describe in detail about what kind of "uncommon" would still count for the trope. Otherwise people might get the wrong idea.
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The description to No Smoking seems too USA centric. Details about the trope's usage elsewhere should be added.
Mini-Game Credits' description says:
It feels too specific, since there are games where you play a game during the credits but don't interact with them directly, like in Khimera: Destroy All Monster Girls, where you fight silhouettes of enemies at the top, and credits just scroll under the fighting, instead of punching the words or something.
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Which description is technically incorrect? Is a Knight in Sour Armor supposed to be a downplayed cynic or an idealist despite it all?
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x4: What wrong idea is there to get from, say, "It has to be unique — not literal-dictionary-definition 'only one in the world' unique, but sufficiently unusual that the protagonist having it is notable in and of itself"? That covers all four bullet points.
Is the change itself necessary, though? Nobody seemed to complain "my example can't fit because of this strict rules". If there's a case like that then it's worth discussing.
It shouldn't be "pure cynicism". Knight in Sour Armor is still idealistic at their core, it's just that they don't outwardly act like it because their experiences affected their personality (but not necessarily their outlook).
Jade-Colored Glasses is simply about "becoming jaded"; Knight in Sour Armor is when a Knight in Shining Armor gets to "wear those glasses".
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I was recommended to bring this here. The trope description Darkened Building Shootout is overly narrow. It describes only situations where this is the climactic fight at the end and does not go into much detail as to why one would use the trope or the significance its appearance can have.
I think the trope should be expanded to cover all shootouts in darkened buildings not just climactic story/episode ending ones. As for the other details, I am not as sure how to expand it but as a jumping off point the example I considered adding until I read the description would have been one of the early gunfights in the dark from Equilibrium. In that gunfight the main character uses Gun Kata in the dark against a number of foes with automatic weapons killing them all and coming out unscathed.
Edited by Rymyll_the_Wanderer on Oct 12th 2018 at 2:46:24 PM
Go edit away the "climactic battle" part. It's the problem of Example as a Thesis.
Should Character Name and the Noun Phrase crosswick with Idiosyncratic Episode Naming, since it's a common titling format for books in a series?
Something like:
Case that it should not: Idiosyncratic means unusual or distinctive, while Character Name and the Noun Phrase is a very standard naming convention—in fact, the word "standard" is used in the first sentence of our definition.
When Breaking Bad reeled off a series of episode titles that not only formed a sentence together but constituted a spoiler, that was Idiosyncratic Episode Naming. Harry Potter and the Something Whatever is not idiosyncratic at all. In fact the tropes are mutually exclusive.
- Idiosyncratic Episode Naming is a subtrope of Theme Naming, so the idiosyncratic-ness seems to be idiosyncratic in the wider context of titling things in general, not having idiosyncratic titles in relation to the standards of the work.
Breaking Bad's episode titles seem to be Compound Title, from your description.
And it's listed there.
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Obligatory Joke has a big honking list of examples in the description. None of them are suitable to be moved below the fold because Examples Are Not General. What do?
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