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There is a small disagreement going on right now on whether the Great Key aspect of Season 18 was a Series Continuity Error or a Loop Hole Abuse.

I feel like there is enough evidence shown that there was no continuity error since Tucker was declared "dead" and flatlined before being resuscitated. But Way Jay 77 keeps changing it back to a continuity error. This is even discussed on the official Red vs Blue wiki here.

Because of the sheer amount of spoiler tags here, I'm planning on going onto all of the subpages and unmarking spoilers up to Season 16. Does anyone oppose?

Season 16 was recently confirmed by Entertainment Weekly. With that in mind, should we finally move Season 15 to its own page?

Would it be alright if I added a Timeline page? I was thinking we could use the Definitive Timeline from the Ultimate Fan Guide, with additions and changes based on Seasons 14 and onward. I've already got it all typed out, so just give me the word and I'll add it.

There has got to be a trope for the fight scene/dance scene juxiplatation (yeah, I know I mangled that beyond the point of successful spellcheck) thing in 14:9 - Club. Anybody know what it would be?

Shouldn't we make a page for Season 14? Or at least, a subpage on the main page?

Hey, how do I make a Ho Yay page?

Not sure if this should be mentioned in the article. It's probably mentioned on the main article for Rooster Teeth, at least.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/arts/video-games/monty-oum-web-series-animator-dies-at-33.html

So are the Reds, Blues and Freelancers Spartans? Is that armour they're wearing really Mjolnir armour?

The freelancers seem to be capable of some pretty superhuman feats in the armour but don't appear to exceed normal humans in any way when not wearing it. They also have very variable height and none of them seem to be any taller than would be the norm for any other human. Spartans are supposed to be unusually tall.

Also their armour's ability to protect them seems very variable. They get badly hurt by hits that the Master Chief's armour would shrug off. Then again, the Reds and Blues all survive crap at various points that should kill a normal person ten times over. Does it have any energy shielding?

When CT goes AWOL the Director really wants her armour back, and comments that it's a rare and expensive commodity. In Halo cannon the Mjoinir armour costs about as much as a small warship so that seems to fit with it being the same stuff. Also when the others comment on Caboose's love of the old style helmet they call it the Mark V and the ones they're sporting the Mark VI. The armour in Halo CE was Mark V and the updated version in 2 onwards was Mark VI, so again this suggests that it's Spartan armour.

But none of the guys seem to be spartans!

Maybe the director's using something that just looks like Mjolnir armour, and has some of its capabilities, but doesn't really measure up to real Spartan armour? Or maybe he's found a way to make the Spartan armour usable by normal humans. Maybe the Reds, Blues and Freelancers have some sort of enhancements that let them use the armour but aren't full Spartans?

Any thoughts?

Other Archived discussion.

Considering that the Civil War is no longer the focus of the sequence, but rather the battles on Chorus, should we rename the saga that Seasons 11 and 12 are a part of "The Chorus Saga", or even "The Chorus Trilogy"? Civil War seems a bit restrictive and inaccurate all things considered.

A curse upon all ye who went to PAX East! I had to drop RvB from my watch list to avoid all the spoilers you guys are putting up! They're all appearing in the edit history! A pox upon all your houses!

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Okay, got that off my chest. I'll probably be back in four weeks once us poor Internet people have a chance to catch up with you.

My mistake, I missed the WMG page. Relocating

Should Seasons 11 and 12 be given their own page now? I think the time has come, but I want approval before I do this.

Edit: The name for this arc is The Chorus Civil War.

I think Control is the Big Bad of seasons 11 and 12. Locus and Felix are marked as a Big Bad Duumvirate, but personally I think they fit more as Co-Dragons to Control.

Guys, we need to decide if Red vs Blue is a Web Original, a Web Animation, or something else entirely because it's getting really annoying trying to add an entry into Web Original, only to find it's in Web Animation and vice versa.

Am I the only one who feels that we've accumulated way too many Wham Episodes for Season 11?

A Wham Episode is specifically one that throws a dramatic shift into a work that changes everything, but it seems that every time anything new happens or is revealed it is labelled as a Wham Episode.

The team getting sent back in time, or the first time they make contact with an alien or Church learning that he's an AI is all game-changing stuff and deserve the Wham Episode title but something like finding a slightly bigger robot to fight Freckles seems much less substantial.

I actually didn't think Wash's "I am going to break you, Private Tucker." line was Tranquil Fury. I thought it was more of just being frank...or something. I dunno, there didn't seem to be any fury behind it, just annoyance or maybe irritation at the most.

Would somebody cross-wick these, pretty please? I'm not familiar with this work, and cross-wick example that are sorted by seasons (as opposed to the alphabet) is impossible to do.

• Translation by Volume from Red Vs Blue:
  • Played for Laughs, Played Straight and Played With frequently because Lopez, the Red Team robot, can only speak Spanish.
  • The Red Team, who never understand him, try to communicate with him this way. It is subverted, however, in that Lopez can understand English perfectly. His body is simply incapable of speaking it.
  • Played straight when Church possesses Lopez, and finds he can only speak Spanish. He speaks slowly, still in Spanish, to try and warn the Reds of Tex coming to attack them in a tank. They, of course, can't understand him anyway.
  • Subverted in Season 9. Lopez impersonates Simmons by painting his armor maroon, but can still only speak Spanish. However, by speaking slowly, Sarge and Grif are somehow able to understand his Spanish, leaving them clueless to the switch.
  • Tucker is speaking loudly and slowly while the alien stands nearby, when Church approaches and says that he doesn't think that using this technique will allow the alien to understand him. Immediately subverted, as it is revealed that Tucker was speaking to Caboose. Caboose still doesn't understand.
  • Used by Sarge and lampshaded by Grif. It earned Sarge very much deserved snark:
    Sarge: ''Lopez. How. Do. We. Fix. Your. Speech. U. Nit.
    Grif: ''Why are you talking so slowly, Sarge? He can understand us just fine. Maybe you should try listening slower.

Who else wanted to hug Church at the end of the most recent episode? :(

So... is Red vs. Blue finished? As in over, series finale, all of that? Because the article doesn't seem to mention whether or not it's finished.

I'd put this in a different comment, but the pieces for it are not related to other topics.

As of the things we learned about how Gamma operates (and, in Season 10, the direct distinction between FILSS and Shiela, who seem to have completely different personalities regardless), should we make a separate FILSS section on one of the pages? If so, would it be under Project Freelancer or Artificial Intelligences?

Minor question, guys. What trope do you guys think fits for Freelancer Equipment pieces in general? I would think there would be a general name for it. Applied Phlebotinum, maybe?

I could be wrong, and there could just not be a name for it, but it seems probable.

EDIT: I'm putting these together for convenience of whoever will answer.

Aside from the above, do you guys think that we should split up the Church section in the Blue Team character tropes between an Alpha and an Epsilon section, but with a Spoilers tag at the top of his folder and a note of Walking Spoiler in a "both" section at the top? Kind of like the Freelancer and Insurrection sections, but for a single person. I only say this because Epsilon and Alpha seem different enough and undergo different enough character arcs for them to maybe be distinguishable in the character page. However, if necessary, we can keep Epsilon and Alpha's names spoiler tagged in the process.

Again, as with above, what do you guys think?

I was curious, do you guys think that we should split up The Blood Gulch Chronicles into seasons? I know, it might be a big effort, but every Mini Series and the five seasons after it have it. It could also help to clean up the page and sift out things that belong in other pages like The Recollection or the main "Series Wide" ones.

I can make folders for the five seasons, if that is the case (and putting Out Of Mind between 4 and 5, as it is).

According to both the boxes of Season 9 and 10, that grouping seems to be called the "Project Freelancer Saga". I'll put the names down below here.

The middle of this: http://rvb.wikia.com/wiki/Red_vs._Blue:_Season_9

The bottom of this: http://rvb.wikia.com/wiki/Red_vs._Blue%3A_Season_10

Also, the Red Vs Blue wiki even lists it as such: http://rvb.wikia.com/wiki/Red_vs._Blue#Project_Freelancer_2

So far, Seasons 9 and 10, though they basically go over mostly the same stuff (the history and downfall of Project Freelancer), are listed as seasons that are completely separate from everything else. Should we make a new page and put them there as two seasons, also adding in the two associated Mini Series ("MIA" and "Where There's a Will, There's a Wall")?

The "many seasons" tropes could probably still stay, but it's just my opinion that we should probably make a new page for those. What do you guys think?

I get that there are a lot of stunning moments in Season 10, but of the twenty current episodes of Season 10, ten of them are listed as Wham Episodes. Is that really necessary?

Anyone think Shannon McCormick deserves sort of a collective CMOA for his VA in this series? Washington goes through quite a lot of takes on his personality over the seasons, and Shannon handles them all superbly.

Compare, say, one of the scenes at the end of Reconstruction (especially the one that prompts "I'm starting not to trust you," "What do you mean 'starting to'?"), to just about all of Revelation, to say, the scenes on 479er's ship, ("I don't want to end up like Georgia!", "Please don't say 'crashing'!") or him eating in his helmet, to the implantation scene in episode 17.

I feel like Allison should be moved off the AI section of the character page. 'Allison' wasn't an AI that split from Alpha, Tex was and they're two different people despite what the Director might want to believe.

Re: The whole "Not the real Resistance" thing. The impression I got from the dialogue wasn't that they aren't part of what we think of as the Resistance or that there's a separate group, but that there IS no Resistance. As in, the Freelancers are the actual bad guys, while the so-called "Resistance" is actually just normal UNSC folks.

Does anyone know the name of the soundtrack used towards the end of season 8 episode 10? The one that played right before the Meta showed up?

I'm wondering if we should make a policy of not adding stuff to the RvB articles unless the episode or PSA in question can actually be accessed officially and easily by everyone (like RT's website, or Twitch TV).

I almost removed a few recent things wondering where they came from, before I remembered about RTX... plus it's annoying checking the article history not expecting any spoilers to need to be careful about because there's no new episode yet... except whoops, there apparently was.

Where's the new trailer? the only one I've been able to find, either on You Tube or on Rooster Teeth's website, is the teaser, the one with Sigma's reveal.

This is starting to get near the 400K size mark where we have to break up pages to keep them from getting too large for the wiki. Should we just split it up by the current series folders?

The Miniseries don't seem to have a place to call home. Should there be a new folder for them?

Would it be considered padding to add pictures to the Characters page? I realize almost all of the characters are faceless guys in armor, but a characteristic shot of some kind wouldn't hurt, along with the fact that a few of the Freelancers now have faces.

I once wrote a review for this series that showed up on the main page here. Now the page says "no reviews yet" but mine still can be found through the review index. Here's the link. Why doesn't it show up?

Should a Tear Jerker or Nightmare Fuel tab be added to the main page? It's just that plenty of episodes (the final episodes of Revelations and BGC come to mind) feature these tropes, and now they're stuck in the YMMV tab.

Can we stick the fact that One of the S9 storylines takes place in a simulation under the You Should Know This Already umbrella? The Season 9 section is about 1/3 spoilers, which is a little obnoxious.

(I realize I just spoilered it there, myself. Following convention for now and erring on the side of caution.)

removed the following from under Fusion Dance

• Applying this to the Delta AI and its original Freelancer York, wouldn't that make the little green guy that dispenses logic and advice...Yo-De?
• Putting Delta's half first would make Dork. A fitting name.

Because that's not how it works. You combine the AI's name and the Freelancer's real name, not code name. York is his code name, we don't know his real name.

Someone help me out here, please. I need a trope to add to York's character sheet, but I don't know what fits. But seriously has anyone ELSE noticed how he looks a LOT like Chris Redfield? What's a trope for that? Everything I find doesn't seem to fit right. Aside from the fact they both go on to fight guys with bad english accents who want to take over the world and could be twins, they're not that similar in personality. So it's not really an Expy or anything.

Could Sarge's actions in the season 5 finale really be a Moral Event Horizon? Sure, he's being a dick, but it's not like he's murdering babies.

The Blood Gulch Chronicles seasons are compiled into one trope list, why not do the same for the Recollections trilogy instead of having three separate lists for Reconstruction, Recreation and Revelation?

Should we remove the rooster teeth redirect so it could be used for a page on the comics / shorts? It Just Bugs Me! that they don't get a page. EDIT: Nevermind, it's been done. thanks.

Hey, guys. :) It looks like the Rv B page could use a bit of natter pruning, as per guidelines outlined here.

At the moment, I've only done the section on Revelation. I tried to encapsulate and incorporate discussion neatly into the parent trope entries wherever possible. I moved all of the edited stuff here so discussion and consensus-building can continue.

• It's most likely that the Meta simply wasn't thinking clearly after being beaten up by Tex, knifed by Tex and Wash, and stabbed by Tucker. It took seeing the Warthog and following the cable with his eyes to realize that Sarge had done something. The camera panned down as the Meta noticed it, not the other way around.
  • Tex is a bit less enthused by this classification.

• Actually, he just knew what sort of "person" Omega was, and that after they won the war for humanity, they'd set themselves up as supreme rulers.

• "Second-deadliest?" The Meta is the deadliest. Tex was only able to hold her own against the Meta because she practically blew him up with several mines, had access to numerous different weapons (including a Gatling gun), and by booby-trapping the terrain. And the Meta still won (with help from Washington). And this was when the Meta was severely depowered. At the height of his abilities, the Meta was described as ten Texs rolled into one. Arguably, the Meta, along with the Red and Blue teams, exemplifies this trope as well. Except for a battle at the beginning with Red Team, the Meta spent most of his screen time snarking against Washington. Then Episode 19 rolls around.

• In particular, Simmons doesn't seem to object much, which is jarring since he personally saw Washington execute Donut and Lopez in cold blood.
• Actually it's been revealed in the sponsor version of episode 13, that when Epsilon-Church orders all the Red Team's suits out of Recovery Mode, it revives Donut back at Vahalla, who was apparently stuck in stasis after being shot. He's okay, though upset about getting blood on his nice shoes.
  • This one was bound to come up. Even though only Doc and Church saw Wash literally throw himself at the Meta, unarmed, to protect them, the rest likely figured it out by the fact that Church, the de-facto leader, was working with him and that, by the way, he was knife-fighting the Meta.

• So, uh, nobody has anything to say about the fact that Wash killed Donut? You're just gonna welcome him into your group with open arms, even after he murdered your friend and screwed you all over repeatedly? In fact, everyone is actually going out of their way to HELP him!
• No, nobody does care because A: He saved Church from the Meta, even at risk to his own life. B. He showed no enmity towards the Reds and Blues for having gotten him imprisoned, despite the fact that all they've done so far is make his life worse. C. Donut isn't dead, even if the others don't know that, he probably explained that. Besides, even if he hadn't killed him, The Meta would have.
  • Assuming even Wash knows.
• He's in blue team, though.

• To be sure he's down for good, in Episode 19 he only survived by using the very same Brute Shot that saved Grif's life. He didn't have it. Also, because he lost Tex, he lost his powers and was simply an insane but well-trained human when he fell. He's down.
  • Further, those UNSC soldiers seem to be acting like he's dead. Do you really think the UNSC, those guys who Halo showed to be efficient and skilled, would say "oh, these trainees said he fell off the cliff, let's take their word for it!" It's dead.

So, now that Revelation is over, when do you think we'll hear about what could be next?

I wanna make an example I think this article needs. About how the first five seasons have recently been revealed as one big trainign example in Rv B's so far successful attempt to explain most of the outlandish actions compared to the more realistic ones we see in Revelation. Problem is I don't know what to call it. What do you call it when the war is one big lie or based on a lie?

As of this post, the pothole Red Vs Blue can be found in 603 articles. So how do we go about getting our favorite machinima listed in the Trope Overdosed section?