I think any character who is meant to be disliked should be take down
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Whoever added Amber from Invincible (2021), did you remember to review the administrivia and wait 6 months after she was introduced?
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I added the most recent iteration, it was approved in the cleanup thread.
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Another user added her prematurely before the six-month cooldown, and an agreement was reached that it was a valid example but it was too early. When I reopened the discussion it seemed to me that the matter was resolved once I explained my reasoning.
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Why were King Sombra and Flash Sentry deleted from the My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic folder?
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I've got no clue. Add them back in.
Edited by 188.63.169.204 "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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I think the Inspector Gadget Capeman entry should include that when he tried to be smart, Inspector Gadget shot him down or overrode him, and Capeman never, ever saw the pattern of stupid of Capeman points out usually blatantly obvious thing, Gadget overrides him, bad things happen.
The one I remember most, Penny remote-control-activated their home's security system because MAD was on the way. So MAD shows up, the usual big and medium guys in black outfits that have MAD across the front.
Capeman quite sensibly says, "Aren't those MAD agents?" to which Gadget (and boy did I want to hit him with a clue-by-four) says obviously the Chief sent over his agents disguised as MAD agents. He then uses his laser finger to cut down the fence and let the agents in. Cue bad things happening.
You could see Capeman's brain cells dying after a few rounds of this.
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I think that Gearhead from Rick And Morty Should be an example on this list. I found out from several reddit pages that a lot of people hate him because they consider him to be a Creator's Pet because he appeared the most out of all of Rick’s friends. Plus I dislike him because his presence in “Ricksy Business” wasted an opportunity for Morty to have a good discussion with Scropon, a more interesting friend of Ricks with a tragic backstory. Gearhead went in to betray Rick just for the sake of greed and was Easily Forgiven in “Vindicators 3” which is considered to be the worst episode in the series.
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I don’t think D.W from Arthur should be on the scrappy page cause I think the writers wanted the viewers to hate D.W as her role on the show seems to just be a huge pest towards Arthur. I think she is actually a hate sink. This show is impossible to add traditional loathsome villains for people to despise due to it being for young kids and is PBS educational so I think the writers wanted fans to hate someone who just bugs Arthur a lot. Plus D.W falls victim to some misfortunes on the show and the books. The explanation of her on the scrappy page said that she clearly exists to torment Arthur and the word “clearly” is what I find wrong with this and why I think D.W should be taken off the scrappy page even though she’s hated but its done intentionally
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Come to think of it, does it even count if the entire cats is a Scrappy since by defintion isn't it one character in particular? Wouldn't "I Don't Care What Happens To These People" apply more if you hate the whole cast?
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Moving some in-universe examples here because I'm pretty sure they fit under tropes and aren't about invoking common Scrappy tropes.
- Meg herself is an in-universe example. However, it goes a bit too far: we go beyond giving her a Hilariously Abusive Childhood and into Dude, Not Funny!, and the world becomes Scrappy for its treatment of her.
- Zoidberg seems to be the in-universe Scrappy to the other characters as he is positively disliked or treated with apathy by everyone (bar Fry), but he's very popular amongst fans.
I wonder what it says about the writers of Family Guy when half the cast seems to be on this page
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I think that speaks more of the (lack of) quality of the current examples.
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Suggest adding: Orko from He-Man, Snarf from Thundercats, Toad from Super Mario Brothers Super Show, & Ugtar from Super Mario World TAS. ::Checks:: Okay, Snarf is already on the list.
Really don't get how Gaz from Invader Zim qualifies.
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Sure, there's no shortage of characters in Invader Zim who're sociopathic or cruel, but Gaz stands out because the writers actually want you to like her. And she gets several episodes dedicated to her, which are basically her doing awful things for petty reasons and getting away with it. If there is one thing I'll never understand, it's how such a shallow, nasty, pointless and one-dimensional excuse of a character like this has so many fans.
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Before this delves into an Edit War, fans of Spongebob Squarepants keep on adding Spongebob back as a scrappy, despite him being a Base Breaker. This has been a reoccurring thing on this page.
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Does Zoey from Total Drama really count as a scrappy? She seems more like a Base Breaker at best and she even has an entry on that trope on the show's YMMV page. I can understand that some characters like Katie, Sadie, Staci, and Scott would be widely hated (and I'm not too sure about Scott), but having Zoey in the same place as them? I don't think so.
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Then delete it and explain why she's not an example I don't think Zoey is a scrappy either.
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1. The reason that Randy from South Park is hated is because I just don't find him funny and I thought that South Park is supposed to focus on THE KIDS, not THE ADULTS.
2. About the animated version of Louis Tully being on this page... that hurts me, even though I've only seen a few episodes of The Real Ghostbusters. Why? Because in the movies, he's played by Rick Moranis, who happens to one of my all-time favorite actors. :(
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While there are many valid reasons for hating Randy, your comment (especially in light of #2) demonstrates the problem with this entire entry - there's a difference between someone who is so bad they're killing the show, and someone you personally do not like. Ideally, you would think the Scrappy would be a character that the creator of a work has made into a Creator's Pet, while everyone else just recognizes them as The Load: that is to say, someone that virtually everyone but the people making the show realize is terrible. The creators put them on every 5 minutes to highlight the newest interesting or funny thing they can do, and ratings plummet because of this. Some guy who shows up every so often, and you think they suck...that isn't necessarily a scrappy. Why? Well reverse your #1 and #2: someone is probably saying the same thing in reverse. You shouldn't be surprised that people are arbitrarily calling a guy you like a scrappy if you're willing to do the same to others.
Sorry, wasn't trying to antagonize anyone with the reply. Short, neutral version: It seems like Scrappyism is determined more by personal opinion than anything like ratings drop or boost. So long as this definition exists, there's going to be conflicts. Maybe this should be in Darth Wiki.
Why is Randy Marsh from South Park hated by the fanbase?
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How is Arsenal a scrappy in Young Justice? I seem to remember that in the episode where Nightwing was chewing him out, Nightwing was chewed out right back by the people Arsenal rescued, seeing how Arsenal pretty much saved everyone's asses, and found a bunch of missing people that no one was particularly looking for.
On this subject, I think Scrappy in general needs to be cleaned up: it seems like the entry has degenerated into any character that anyone has, at any point in time, a reason to dislike, as opposed to a character who generates widespread, consistent dislike, and adds nothing to the story. By the logic I have seen some characters added on here with, Batman is a scrappy, as there are plenty of people who hate that he's always prepared, seldom wrong, wins most of his fights despite being physically weaker than most of the rest of the cast. Characters that people actually like, like Bender and Cartman, become scrappies, because you can find a group of people who dislike how they were portrayed in several episodes. I think there's something to be said for "no/few redeeming qualities" in a Scrappy candidate. If they're dislikable, but they add something tangible to the plot, they're probably not a scrappy. If they're dislikable, and they're not really adding anything to the plot, but they wind up in it anyway, then they're probably in Scrappy territory.
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... how is Arsenal not a Scrappy? The vast majority of the fandom found him whiny and annoying, and the example you cited is part of the reason why (he did do stupid stuff, but he sort of lucked out).
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You actually sound like you're describing Red Arrow/Clone Speedy, since I don't recall Arsenal being whiny, more pissed off and hotheaded. Clone Speedy was the one whining about woe is me, and not giving a shit about anything, being generally incompetent and annoying, to the point where the supervillain he had a child with had to slap him out of his funk.
It isn't that Arsenal never did stupid things, but at least he actually has a legitimate reason for being off balance, having PTSD from being kidnapped, experimented on, and waking up without an arm after nobody bothered to look for him. Pretty much everyone but Aqualad, Red Robin, and Robin 1 before becoming Nightwing regularly juggled the idiot ball in this series, without the excuse of being traumatized. Hell, season 1, and most of the people who were hurt and killed, was caused by a whole lot of lying, BSing, and ego stroking that could have easily been avoided. I'm not trying to start an Arsenal fanclub here, but throughout the entire show, everyone I didn't mention regularly did stupid shit that retarded the plot, for no reason other than the plot required them to be stupid. Connor making deals with Lex Flippin Luthor in between emo rages and constantly charging off into battle at the worst of times, endangering the team, Artemis so concerned about her lineage being discovered that she lets criminals get away (and honestly, Batman probably already knew), Megaan being an annoying brat in general, and Suetiful All Along as she's really a White Martian, but not an evil one. I'm sure that if we went episode by episode, we could find plenty of instances where someone being a dumbass was the primary cause for one of the episodes. How is Connor or Kid Flash or Megaan being an unthinking hothead for no reason in multiple episodes OK, but Arsenal somehow becomes a scrappy for it after just one or two?
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Why isn't Spongebob in later seasons listed as the Scrappy/Base Breaker? He used to be a naive but well-meaning individual, now he's flanderized into a complete idiot and total jerk (as shown in "A Pal For Gary"). His over-positive nature often blinds him of the disaster he's caused. He's even an Idiot Houdini. Even Watch Mojo.com has Spongebob as #1 in the Top 10 Purposely Annoying Beloved Cute Characters. Yet I should think Spongebob should be the complete Base Breaker since he has half the fandom, and half the hatedom.
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I don't think Jeff from Family Guy should be a scrappy, as he only appeared in one episode and was meant to be hated from the start.
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I agree. Plus, Jeff is a villain and he's supposed to be hated by fans.
Does Jade Chan from Jackie Chan Adventures qualify? The entry itself says that she has legions of fans, and while it's true that she has hatedom, her fans outnumber her haters (at least that's the impression I have, but I may be biased since I'm a Jade fan), which would make her a Base Breaker at worst.
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Take it to the Scrappy Cleanup thread here.
..if she has lots of fans and haters, she may qualify as a Base Breaker
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Courtney and Ezekiel are Base Breakers and Noah isn't even that—he's an Ensemble Dark Horse with a much more prominent fandom than hatedom. I can understand seeing the Courtney and Ezekiel hatred and thinking it's more universal than it is, but Noah is definitely not an example.
I agree. The only scrappies are Katie, Sadie, and Staci from season 4. I don't understand why Retro7 keeps on shoehorning examples.
should the Cutie Mark Crusaders from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic be on this page? I am a big fan of the show and to my knowledge, the Crusaders are Base Breakers at worst.
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Base Breaker at worst is way below Scrappy level. I think they have to be hated by the majority of the fandom.
(I usually like 'em but man were they annoying on the new one o_o)
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but the majority of the Fi M fandom does NOT hate them. they don't belong on this page. plus, I think there inclusion here is a result of Square Peg Round Trope.
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and the entry on the Crusaders has been removed but in case anyone's interested, while I can't speak for two of the Cutie Mark Crusaders, I've realized that most(if not all) of the complaints for Scootaloo come from one and only one episode.
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The entry on King Of The Hill contained the characters Hank Hill, Cotton Hill, Khan and Minh Souphanousinphone, which is frankly ridiculous. Hank is a role model father and treats practically everyone nicely, and only wants the best for his son. The idea that Hank could be universally hated by the fandom is absolutely inane. Cotton Hill being a Jerkass is his character in the same way Bender from Futurama was his character. He has Character Development moments, many of them, and often creates good, interesting episodes. Kahn and Minh have both had their moments, too.
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to be fair, I think whoever posted that was talking about the characters in later seasons. which is kind of true.
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The WA page needs a image, plain and simple. I say we use DW from Arthur, the Karma Houdini and Bratty Half-Pint. Hell, she's the real reason Arthur has its own Wall Banger page. Since most people have seen the show, I'd say it's appropriate.
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"Most people have seen the show"? Really? Ah, Fan Myopia at its finest.
Some of these entires claim that characters are "universally" hated or that they're hated by a "majority" of fans, which is basically code for, "My friends and I." But none are so ridiculous as the "Slimer on The Real Ghostbusters was hated by every fan of the show" entry.
It's OK to call a character the Scrappy without having the entire fanbase agree with you. That doesn't invalidate your opinion.
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Also, what is up with "most of" the South Park fandom hating Mr. Garrison and Randy? As far as I can tell, people really only hated Mrs. Garrison and all I ever see for Randy is either "he's the only reason I watch the show anymore" or, at worst, "he's best in small doses." But I guess only the Yaoi Fangirls count as the fandom.
We need to fix up the entry about the Kanker sisters. After I posted the first part, it decended into a stream * of Conversation On The Main Page between at least two people on if they count as scrappies. The Kankers do have somewhat of a Hatedom, and often the Fanon defending them is more of a Draco in Leather Pants type because the only other two females (ever) are Sarah and Nazz. Can't we just add them back to Base Breaker, like they where at before? And give some explanation as to why (the original entry just said, in it's entirity, "The Kanker sisters on Ed Edd N Eddy" or something along those lines)?
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This is so ironic, as I was just about to open a discussion about that very topic. I believe they should stay on "The Scrappy" page, and all of this back and forth clutter should be eliminated. The arguments presented on that page defending the Kankers basically boils down to "But they aren't the Scrappy, they have fans!". Having fans does not make them any less of a scrappy. You can find plenty of people who loves Scrappy Doo, however you'll find plenty more who hates him.
Personally, I think they should stay there. I have seen the show, and they do nothing more than cause greif to the main characters for no real reason. My personal feelings aside, if nobody has ever seen the show, all that clutter seems confusing. I'll clean it up in about a day or two myself if nobody has anything else to say.
Scrappy's example is a Wall of Text. I feel it's important to make it a good one, because he's the Trope Namer and people who aren't familiar with him are going to want to learn why. I propose the following edit:
What do you guys think? It's still a Wall of Text, but somewhat more manageable.