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open Should Russians With Rusting Rockets be locked?
Ever since the Russo-Ukraine War started, the Russians with Rusting Rockets page has been getting a flood of reactionary edits as shown here. Two edits in particular stand out as being way too premature judgments to really put into perspective about the current state of the Russian military.
- "In a case of Harsher in Hindsight moment, a radical Russian minority with a Communist bent in a post-Soviet Central-Eastern Ruritania bordering on Russia wages war against weak government forces (after the latter attempt to distance themselves from their Cold War sphere of influence) and occupy government buildings. Then Russia personally intervenes, marching over the border under the guise of peacekeeping operations. Then the government forces team up with radical nationalist militants, which the Russians use as a casus belli, the situation is uncannily similar Russo-Ukrainian war."
- "The invasion on Ukraine also demonstrated that a lot of the older tech was in poor condition and/or the military lacked the morale and training for a war on this scale. Although the war is still ongoing as of this writing, there have been numerous reports and video evidence of vehicles breaking down or being abandoned by deserting russian troops. Time will tell if the more advanced tech will be brought to bear against the Ukrainians and how it will fare against the weapons produced natively and those shipped from the NATO countries."
- "In any case, the Russian Federation is in for some interesting times ahead and the future of it's military is now more uncertain than it was a decade ago, stay tuned for more news as the situation develops."
So should the page be locked? I'm concerned that the page will continue to attract more reactionary edits as the war continues. Edited by DivineFlame100
openChanging a Creator page to reflect the correct name order
The page we have for Yoko Taro on this wiki is Taro Yoko, which is the western order of his name. However throughout all of game media, the credits of his games, and everywhere on this wiki bar the page title and direct links to it order it Eastern Order (family name Yoko, given name Taro). For other Japanese developers who have their names commonly in western order (such as Hideo Kojima) I can understand leaving it, but it's just bizarre that we have the redirect on the page that lists his name in the order everybody knows it. Can we flip the redirects around and update all the wicks?
openHaiku pages
May the cutlist for Two Best Friends Play and Eastern Animation be declined?
They were initially blank, but I have edited them to be filled.
Edited by alnair20aug93resolved Which category for aquariums?
Example for Stealthy Cephalopod. Should this go under Theme Parks, or something else?
- The Aquarium at the Boardwalk in Branson, Missouri has an octopus mascot named Aquarius. As an Easter Egg, models of Aquarius are hidden in many rooms, if not every room, of the aquarium. Most of these models show Aquarius matching the color of the walls or scenery to demonstrate the camouflage abilities of a real octopus.
openReality Subtext valid?
- Reality Subtext: The story could easily be seen as a metaphor for the game's Troubled Production.
- Most in-universe characters joined the Andromeda Initiative eager to explore new worlds in a new galaxy, much like the original intended No Man's Sky-syle planet generator for players to explore.
- Then the characters hit disaster on arrival and find the worlds uninhabitable, much like how the developers struggled to make the randomly generating planets fun to play for over two years until they finally had to admit it wasn't working near the intended release date.
- Then the characters had to scramble together makeshift infrastructure from what little resources they brought with them, and try to make livable worlds from the uninhabitable and hostile terrains... Much like how the devs had to scramble together a narratively cohesive story and fun terrains from what was left of their experimental game, with the notoriously difficult-to-work-with Frostbite Engine.
- The story is largely about fostering cooperation between bickering and scattered factions to make the disastrous Andromeda Initiative a success... Much like how various BioWare and outsourced Eastern European and Asian studios had to try to make Mass Effect Andromeda a success, with communication between the various studios being chaotic to nonexistent.
- Most characters are inexperienced or under-qualified workmen trying to scramble together livable worlds due to most Andromeda Initiative leaders being dead, missing, or absent... much how BioWare struggled to make Andromedia a success (with the notoriously difficult Frostbite Engine) with little to no help from upper management.
- In-universe, Pathfinder Ryder is seen as a poor substitute for their father, the far more experienced and beloved previous leader... Much like how the devs anticipated Pathfinder Ryder being seen as a poor substitute to the more experienced and beloved Commander Shepard in the eyes of many Mass Effect fans.
Not sure if valid or complaining. I also question if RD has to be somewhat intentional artistic choices which these are not. Thoughts?
open"Western" vs "Eastern" RPGs Videogame
I want to add a Temtem example to Anti-Debuff, but I don't know which folder to put it in. It's made in Spain, so geographically it counts as a western RPG, but it's heavily inspired by Pokémon, which is eastern. Is there a meaningful distinction between these two genres besides location?
Edited by NitroIndigoopen On a Reasoning I found in history
So looking through the History page of Wonder Woman 1984, I find the deletion of this trope example:
And this is the reasoning given:
"In addition to being a case of Reality Is Unrealistic, examples shouldn't be dependent on the reader having to read sources to find out why. Include links, yes, but if you can't give people the short attention span summary then you shouldn't be submitting the trope in the first place."
What do you say about the reasoning given? I feel its questionable
Edited by DayBreakChannelopen "Western" and Western Terrorists
So, basically I personally dislike the term "Western" because it's non-geographical and based on culture in a nonsensical way. The term is ok for general classifications like "Western Animation" but problems arise quickly as can be seen in Western Terrorists:
- There's also African Terrorists, Far East Asian Terrorists, South Asian Terrorists, and Middle Eastern Terrorists, clearly based on a geographical region.
- So naturally the description will have to deal with the problems that arise from such a wacky term.
For the article it should have been of little relevance that the Caribbean is not so Western after all. The article even claims that South America and Oceania could be considered Western (Oceania is not a convenient term for AUS & NZ!).
I think this are recurrent problems and it would make sense to dedicate a Useful Notes page to this issue.
I recently hid a couple of RL examples in Russia Is Western that had a similar issue (mostly though cz of zero context). IMHO that article should rather be called Russia Is European.
Fundamentalists are not necessarily terrorists, Islamic terrorists can be "homegrown", environmental extremists are not responsible for most cases of terrorism in the US, and the statistic is also bogus. I can remove the paragraph, right?
Personally I wonder if the Terrorists Of Region tropes above are trope worthy at all.
Since my post is a bit heterogeneous I went for ATT. If I were to open a thread where would it be best to put it?
openGenre Turning Point question
I discovered in the edit history for Genre Turning Point that the page once had real life examples, but they were deleted in March 2017 by Nohbody with the edit reason "none of those are trope examples". Despite this, the page is listed under Keep Real Life Examples. While I believe that the examples deleted may not count since there is no "genre" being changed, they were deleted without explanation, and as mentioned the page is indexed under an index that indicates real life examples can stay. What should I do? Should I restore them? Keep them removed? Temporarily restore and then figure out what to do with them? Go through the examples and see which ones are legit, if any? I'm puzzled as to what to do.
The examples in question:
- When Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon with his army rather than surrender to his rivals he made all but inevitable the fall of the Roman Republic and the birth of The Roman Empire. The very shape of Western Europe (and thus by extension some of the shape of the rest of the world) were set from one course to another by one man's personal ambition.
- The Black Death decimated Europe's population in the mid-14th century with repercussions felt for decades. Some of these still felt today, according to various scholars, may have included:
- The foundations of the Protestant Reformation and the weakening of Church authority in general
- A rise in anti-Semitism and other prejudices
- The end of feudal economy and the rise of the middle class: Because laborers and craftsmen were fewer and could therefore demand higher wages, allowing them to accumulate wealth.
- The rise of paper and printing, as lawyers forced to settle a large number of estates began to wish that more of everything was written down, which increased demand for people who could write, which led to people looking for faster ways to produce documents. Eventually, they hit upon the printing press.
- The Agricultural Revolution: In order to increase the efficiency of food production, which the plague had squeezed. Also, great lords realized that running larger farms with hired hands was more efficient than serfdom.
- The Industrial Revolution—Indirectly, as a result of several of the above factors; the accumulation of wealth in the hands of craftsmen (which allowed them to start profit-making businesses that eventually turned into industries), the Protestant Reformation (which encouraged a burst of new thought in all directions, and also led to the establishment of the community of English Dissenters, who it just happened were mostly craftsmen, and whose response to Anglican discrimination—which had the effect of pigeonholing them as craftsmen and merchants—was to invent the modern world), and the Agricultural Revolution (which freed up labor to work in factories when industrialization happened, and also created fabulous wealth for farm-owning nobles, many of whom bankrolled industrial ventures basically because they had nothing better to do with their money).
- People of European ancestry having greater resistance to HIV, which some scientists have linked to antibodies originally developed by people who survived the plague.
- The plague also returned periodically for centuries afterward, leading to boom/bust population cycles which didn't really end until the colonial age.
- King John of England (the real-life king behind the Robin Hood tales) managed to screw things up quite badly in England; botched wars, high taxes, and getting the nation excommunicated for a few years. His frustrated and angered barons united and forced John to sign the Magna Carta (Great Charter). Now the monarchs had to at least be accountable to the nobles. The Magna Carta also established concepts like due process of law being required before stripping a non-serf of land and property, limitations on the king's powers, and a provision where a council of 25 nobiles could overrule the king's decree. It became the first restraints of absolute monarchy in England, and paved the way for the eventual triumph of parliament over monarchy.
Winston Churchill: We owe far more to the vices of John than to the labours of virtuous sovereigns.
- The Fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453 is widely considered by historians to mark the official end of The Middle Ages and the final nail in the coffin of The Roman Empire (the Byzantines always considered themselves to be Romans, referring to their territory as Romania), which had existed for nearly 1500 years if one combines the ruling years of Ancient Rome and the Byzantine Empire together.
- The massive outflow of Greek scholars from Constantinople greatly influenced and accelerated the birth of The Renaissance in Europe.
- The sudden removal of the Byzantine Empire as a buffer-zone between Christian Europe and the Muslim Middle East, as well as the removal of the main overland trade-link between Europe and Asia, led to rapid advancements in warfare and seafaring technology within Europe for the first time in centuries.
- The fact that the Ottomans were now blocking the Silk Road led European navigators to pursue alternative routes to the riches of the Far East, which brings us onto...
- Perhaps most famous of all, Christopher Columbus' discovery of the West Indies in 1492 was The Beginning Of The End for every major civilization in North and South America, along with much of the native populations. At the same time, northern Europe, which had been a cultural backwater for centuries, entered a new era of vast riches and world domination. It triggered the Columbian Exchange, the exchange of crops, goods and people across continents, leading to items such as the potato, cocoa, chocolate and coffee being spread as far as China.
- Though the Black Death may have gotten the ball rolling economically (see above), the Wars of the Roses officially signaled the end of the feudal system in Britain, while also definitively ending three centuries of dominance by The House of Plantagenet. They showed just how much chaos could result from a weak monarch leaving too much power in the hands of landholding nobles guided by petty grudges and ambitions, with a personal quarrel between the Duke of Somerset and the Duke of York gradually spiraling into the most devastating civil war that Britain had ever seen. In an age when the Plantagenet bloodline had become so widespread and diluted that multiple second and third cousins of the King could seize the throne by virtue of being direct descendants of Edward III, it was only a matter of time before the young Henry VI became a pawn of his scheming Lancastrian advisors and his ambitious Yorkist cousins. When the Wars were finally settled by the rise of The House of Tudor, Henry VII and his successors made damn sure that the same thing would never happen again. Under the Tudors, the monarchy's power grew to unprecedented levels, with a well-developed central bureaucracy presiding over far more aspects of public life than ever before.
- The Peace of Westphalia (1648), which ended the Thirty Years' War, originated the modern conception of state sovereignty (including territorial integrity and modern diplomatic relations), not just for the states involved, but all future states as well. It also removed The Pope and the Roman Catholic Church from European politics for good, finishing what the Black Death had started two centuries prior.
- The Protestant Reformation definitively broke the long-unchallenged binary between the Roman Catholic Church in the West and the Eastern Orthodox Church in the East, marking a major milestone in the Western World moving past the old vestiges of the The Roman Empire that endured through Rome and Constantinople's surviving religious institutions. It showed that there were far more ways of interpreting Christianity than anyone could have imagined before, and it challenged the idea that any earthly religious authority—like the Pope or the Ecumenical Patriarch—could have a monopoly on interpreting the word of God for the masses. Once Martin Luther opened the floodgates by founding the Lutheran Church, a host of others denominations followed in short order, including the Calvinists under John Calvin, the Swiss Protestants under Ulrich Zwingli, the Anabaptists under Thomas Müntzer, and the Anglicans under King Henry VIII—all of whom (directly or indirectly) fueled the geneses of the Presbyterians in Scotland, the Puritans in England, and the Baptists and Episcopalians in America. Likewise, the movement spread literacy through the use of the printing press and as per Max Weber, it paved the way for the development of capitalism. The world was never the same again.
- When the 1755 Lisbon earthquake and resulting tsunami and fire devastated the capital of Portugal and left tens of thousands dead, its aftershocks weren't limited to just the physical ones, or even to how it left Portugal's colonial ambitions up in smoke and solidified the power of the prime minister (the Marquis of Pombal's effective response to the earthquake saw the old aristocracy effectively sidelined). The disaster, which struck a devoutly Catholic city on All Saints' Day and left nearly every church (along with about 85% of the city) in ruins, had a tremendous impact on Enlightenment-era European thought that, two centuries later, Theodor W. Adorno compared to the reaction to The Holocaust, shaking the faith of many people in the idea of a just and benevolent god. The Great Lisbon Earthquake has been cited as the birth of atheism, with Voltaire, most notably, using the example of the earthquake in Candide and Poème sur le désastre de Lisbonne to savagely attack the philosophical optimism of his peers.
- The American Revolution (c. 1774-1783) decisively changed international politics forever. It was the first modern democracy, and thus the trope maker for much of what we now think of as Western democracy. It directly or indirectly inspired revolutions for nearly a century and a half (from 1776 to 1918) - in particular the anti-monarchist nature of most of these revolts. It arguably represents the point at which guerilla warfare and firearms first met. And finally, it was the first time that an imperial European power was defeated by a non-European one. It was also the first example of a nation dominated by people of obvious European extraction, speaking a language from Europe, nevertheless declaring themselves a separate, non-European nation, paving the way for revolutions in Haiti, Ireland and independence movements across the world.
- The French Revolution put an end to one of the oldest monarchies in Europe and left France as a veritable laboratory of political experimentation for the next century (the only monarch afterwards who tried to pretend that things hadn't changed that much did not last long), eventually making it into a solidly Republican country. The Revolution's army reforms also changed the notion of warfare as per Carl von Clausewitz and marked the first modern "total war". The Revolution also proved, albeit briefly and imperfectly, that a democracy can govern over a large area of land, that an army of Conscription and meritocratic ranks can not only defend itself against professional aristocratic armies but that they can win wars and take territories as well. Before the Revolution, the main argument against republican forms of government and democracy was that it only applied to small city states and small populations.Even Jean-Jacques Rousseau (the guiding spirit behind the Revolution) agreed with this but the Revolution, regardless of later contradictions and reversals, put a permanent dent in that belief.
- The US Constitution's Bill of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, both of which were first drafted in 1789, are the Trope Codifiers for the modern concepts of liberal democracy and human rights. While some of those rights had appeared in the Magna Carta in the fourteenth century (though many of them had previously suddenly lapsed halfway across the Atlantic for British colonial subjects), the 1789 documents took what were historically viewed as peculiar customs of the English (and Welsh and Scots and Irish, but nobody on the Continent paid any attention to those) and turned them into universal rules. The American Bill of Rights and French Declaration of Rights declared the rights they defended to be inherent, "natural" human rights, with which the state could not legitimately interfere, rather than being the merely traditional "Rights of Englishmen" guaranteed by Magna Carta.
- Inverted with the Revolutions of 1848, "the Spring of Nations" described by historian G. M. Trevelyan as the the turning point where "history failed to turn". He and later historians note that the general failure of the events and the triumph of the repressive governments to put it down pointed out the greater strength of autocratic nations to police the population. But at the same time, the revolution did force many of these nations to move on a path of reform.
- In Germany, this event led to what some historians call Sonderweg (though it is disputed and contentious). In this view, Germany launched on a "Special Path" towards modernization where feudal structures and values were synthesized with modern ideals, leading to the rise of Otto von Bismarck who changed and organized Germany "from above" to prevent revolution "from below". This in turn paved the way for greater authoritarianism in German society, finally reaching its climax in the rise and fall of the Third Reich.
- The American Civil War turned the American economic and political map upside down. The Southern states that made up the Confederacy, which had once been the wealthiest region in the country, became a backwater for a century following the destruction of the exploitative chattel slavery system, which had been the key pillar of their economy; no longer could the Southern gentry lash and beat their way into prosperity on the backs of their slaves. The end of slavery, likewise, planted the seed for the newly-freed African American community to establish their independence, setting the stage for the Great Migration and, later, the Civil Rights Movement, though in the short term, unfortunately, it led to a racist backlash from both Southern whites who resented their loss of status and Northern whites who feared competition from black labor. Beyond slavery and race relations, the example that had been made of the Confederacy firmly established the supremacy of the federal government over the states and the idea of the US as a singular nation rather than a collection of such, up to and including a shift in language; before the war, the US was most commonly described in plural terms ("the United States are"), while afterwards, it was described in singular terms ("the United States is"). Finally, the industrial might that the Union used to overpower the Confederacy laid the groundwork for the industrial wars of the 20th century, which would be fully realized in World War I (see below).
- The Hurricane of 1900 that struck Galveston, Texas sent it into a long decline while turning Houston into a booming port town. NASA and oil would finish the job. The construction of the Houston Ship Channel played a significant role in the shift as well.
- The Great San Francisco Earthquake (1906) for California. Before the quake, San Francisco was the largest city on the West Coast, and Los Angeles' population was less than a million, nowhere near the second largest city in the United States. The quake and the Hollywood boom were instrumental in shifting the population southward.
- A second turning point in The '80s came when San Francisco started attracting computer technology firms, partly due to Apple, and partly due to Berkeley and Stanford's top-notch computing laboratories. Then the Internet went mainstream, and the San Francisco Bay Area is now considered a mecca for computing startups and cutting edge tech. On the downside, the split between the sheltered, highly paid techies and the lower-paid non-technology workers has led to skyrocketing rents, shuttered landmarks, and a nasty cultural divide.
- World War I. Although the American Civil War was arguably the first "industrial" war, World War I was pivotal (and traumatic) for how it oversaw the realization of a total war fueled by industrial production and weaponry. Beyond even military technology and tactics, World War I brought about the collapse of the great autocratic multinational empires that had once dominated Europe's history - Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and Austria-Hungary - and made representative democracies based around a nation-state representing one historical/ethnic group the ideal if not the norm (with a couple of big exceptions...). Then, World War I and its aftermath was key in raising nationalist resentments and economic hardships that would nourish the Fascist movement. At the same time it brought about not only the collapse of Tsarist Russia, but the failure of the democratic Russian state that immediately succeeded it and the rise of the Soviet Union, transforming the driving force in world history from the competition between Europe's colonial empires to the struggle between democratic-capitalist, Fascist, and Communist ideologies. Finally, the war gave the world the League of Nations, the doomed but still important precursor to the United Nations.
- The fall of the Ottoman Empire changed, overnight, the cultural and regional landscape of the Middle East. The division of territories between France and England, the rise of Arab Nationalism and other issues of the time, directly paved the way for much of the later conflicts in the region that continue to the present day.
- The Statute of Westminister in 1931, which redefined the relationship between the United Kingdom, the British Monarchy, and the various dominions which had once been colonies, marked the start of the peaceful end of the most widespread empire in human history as The British Empire became the (British) Commonwealth. The Suez Crisis of 1956 and the intervening period of decolonization and independence movements, marked the fading of England as the world's pre-eminent superpower, giving way to America and USSR.
- After World War II (1937/1939-1945) the world system of international relations was restructured drastically, with a new emphasis on not just sovereignty (already codified by the Peace of Westphalia) but (legal) equality between states. The old alliances of Europe were finished (World War I had previously shown how destructive they could be) in favour of new ones like NATO and the United Nations. It also discredited Anti-Semitism (at least in the West) to a great extent, and the led directly to the creation of The European Union. It also saw the end of American isolationism and saw the drastic increase of the US military in all branches.
- Once the world got used to the end of World War II, the Cold War changed things all over again by showing people a very new kind of warfare. The United States and the Soviet Union emerged as superpowers and became the bitterest of rivals, but both of them eventually possessed enough nuclear weapons between them to bring about The End of the World as We Know It. The result? Traditional warfare between the two suddenly wasn't an option—leading to the age of proxy wars and the rise of the intelligence services. In short order, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was formed in 1947, with the Russian Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti (KGB) following in 1954, followed by three decades of up-and-down tensions as NATO and the Eastern Bloc backed competing factions in nearly every country that wasn't already allied with either of them. It seemed inevitable that the standoff would ultimately climax with World War III. But then...
- On the 13th of September, 1989, a non-Communist government was formed by the Polish parliament, and the Soviet Union declined to force them to do otherwise. This kicked off The Great Politics Mess Up: within weeks, the entity variously called the Eastern Bloc and the Warsaw Pact, the great enemy everyone had been planning to fight in World War III... simply went away. Just over a year later Germany was reunited, and a year after that the Soviet Union itself finally went into the dustbin of history. Western democracies were stunned to discover that the Cold War was over, had never turned hot, and they'd won.
Austin Powers: Oh, smashing, groovy, yay capitalism!
- There's a reason why the combined oral contraceptive pill, first approved by the FDA in 1960, is so often referred to as just "the Pill". Contraception had existed since the dawn of civilization, but the Pill was far more effective than the crude condoms and diaphragms of the past — and more importantly, it gave women full agency in whether or not to get pregnant. It played a large role in the emerging sexual revolution of The '60s, which in turn kicked into overdrive the already-bubbling second wave of the feminist movement and the genesis of the organized LGBT rights movement. A vast number of the social changes of the '60s and '70s can be directly attributed to this one little pill.
- This article in Time makes the case that an epidemic of rubella in 1964-65 played a large role in the legalization of abortion in the United States and Western Europe, perhaps almost as much as the sexual revolution. Rubella is a fairly mild illness in most people, but pregnant women who catch it often give birth to infants with severe birth defects. As a result, when the epidemic broke out, it led to thousands of 'respectable' (i.e. white, married, middle-class) women getting 'therapeutic' abortions to terminate pregnancies that had a high likelihood of producing babies that would suffer a lifetime of medical problems, if they survived long at all. This effectively broke the stigma that had surrounded abortion, which was previously viewed as something that was done by women who were poor, unwed, and 'deviant'. Less than ten years later, the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade legalized abortion across the United States, and similar laws were passed throughout Western Europe.
- The terrorist attacks of September 11 brought about The War On Terror and redefined the relationship between the U.S. government and the Muslim world. In addition, it also triggered a series of game-changing reforms in the U.S. intelligence community.
openTrivia deleted without edit reason Live Action TV
Almost exactly a year ago, ~William Shakesman deleted the following entry from Trivia.Space 1999, without leaving an edit reason:
- The series has the unusual distinction of being mentioned in a U.S. Supreme Court decision, in the case of Hudson v. McMillian, 503 U.S. 1 (1992), where Justice Clarence Thomas quoted from an earlier Seventh Circuit decision., Williams v. Boles by Judge Frank Easterbrook (the context was less than complimentary, however, as watching reruns of the show was mentioned as a form of torture). See this article on The Other Wiki.
I didn't notice it until today. To me, this seems like a perfectly good piece of trivia (AFAIK trivia pages are explicitly allowed to have entires which are not examples of any trope). In fact, it was I who moved it there from the main page quite some time ago.
I've tried messaging William Shakesman about it, asking why he removed it, but haven't received any reply.
I can't just put the entry back without discussion, since that would be edit warring. So if William sees this, or somebody else has some comment, I'd like your opinions.
Edited by GnomeTitanopen Potential Nazi Apologia?
On YMMV.Extra Credits, this comment was added by Supreme Interceptor under Critical Research Failure regarding this video:
- Despite what Dan might have you believe about every last soldier in the Nazi military being Nazis and German, not all of them were Nazis or even German. The Nazis had plenty of formations made up of non-German conscripts and auxiliaries that fought under their command including White Russians, Serbians, Finns, and Armenians. And even more than this, it is a well-known fact that Hitler made an effort to recruit Muslims from Eastern European ethnic groups like Albanians, Tatars and Bosniaks into the Schutzstaffel's ranks.
The video itself is controversial, to say the least, but this seems like both A) misuse of Critical Research Failure, as the topic wasn't related much to the video anyway, and B) potentially trying to whitewash the Nazis, saying that they weren't that racist. Is it just me, or does this seem problematic?
openTroper with Indentation issues, continue to do so despite being messaged multiple time Web Original
A troper by the name of AmuroNT1 regularly breaks the rule written in Example Indentation in Trope Lists.
For example, some past examples of their violations include:
Characters/HololiveEnglish - Oct 5th
- Fun with Acronyms: During her debut stream she lists one of her likes as PWWIE (pronounced "pwee-ay"): People Watching Without Intent to Eat.
- During a Fall Guys stream she attempted to turn her own name into an acronym. After several false starts, she settled on "Giant Underwater Rubber Animal".
Characters/HololiveJapanGenerationThreeFantasy - Oct 14th
- Jerk with a Heart of Gold: Downplayed, but Pekora does enjoy in messing around with anyone in just about every way possible, being quite the mix of a prankster and a troll at any given point. However, she's very very kind, and she keeps all the gifts she's been given from her fans.
- As Pekora's fans are quick to point out, her main goal in her pranking is to make her friends laugh, rather than being outright malicious like most trolls. To wit, when Rushia accidentally fell into Pekora's slime trap and lost a number of items including an enchanted pickaxe, Pekora's response was to leave a chest full of items (including a new pickaxe) on Rushia's doorstep as an apology, even though it wasn't technically her faultnote The fall, and subsequent loss of items, happened mainly because Rushia didn't quite understand how Scaffolding works in Minecraft.
Trivia/Hololive - Oct 30th
- Referenced by...:
- [...]
- The Ancient Gods Part One DLC for Doom Eternal contained an Easter Egg that changes the title to "DOOG Eternal", in a reference to Korone's Doom playthroughs; although it has since been deleted, the dev team was impressed at how quickly it was discovered and shared.
- When the Easter Egg was reported online, the official Xbox Twitter account responded, making it clear that whomever was running the account was an X-Potato themself.
I have fixed the above entries, but seeing that these are only within the hololive namespace, god knows how many other instances they have done this in other works.
Their most recent one in hololive is:
Characters/HololiveEnglish - Nov 13th
- Heroic Self-Deprecation: While she's usually upbeat, she tends to beat herself up when she doesn't do well at games, especially if it's something she knows the audience is going to be more knowledgeable in. In her first stream of Fire Emblem: Three Houses stream, she almost lost the Mock Battle (as in, the second fight in the game), and only won because of her last character being strong enough to secure the win. She apologized heavily for it, calling herself "bird for brains" even as the chat told her not to worry note Given how she had never played a Fire Emblem game before, it isn't too hard to imagine why she'd have trouble.
- As noted elsewhere, Kiara claimed early on that her "only" talent was for translation and that she felt inadequate compared to the other HoloMyth girls. Since then, she's proven herself to be a very talented singer and artist, and comparisons to professional-level talents like Calli and Ina are doing her a disservice.
I have already messaged them three times about this, directing them to & informing them about the points mentioned in Example Indentation in Trope Lists and even explaining to them the correct way to handle these specific cases, but I've gotten no response whatsoever.
This issue has gone on for long enough and it doesn't look like they will give even a slightest care about this anytime soon unless something is done.
Edited by AsoktencheaopenOn JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's Ensemble Dark Horse page. Anime
A few days ago, a troper by the name of 227someguy made two edits to the Ensemble Dark Horse page to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Personally, I feel that these two edits were unjustified and should be reverted back, but from what I understand, doing that would be considered starting an Edit War, so I decided to come here and get other people's opinion on it.
In their first edit, they removed the bolded line from this example:
"One of the earliest examples: Robert Edward O. Speedwagon. Despite the fact that he can't use the Ripple and doesn't fight (Zeppelli even notes that he's more or less useless despite his friendship with Jonathan), he's popular with Western and Eastern fans alike. Must be his Nice Hat. In fact, he's arguably the biggest example of this in the series. Even though it's been several years since he's been relevant in the story (either in the manga or the anime adaptation) he still maintains a devoted fandom."
Their justification for this was that this was a case of Examples Are Not Arguable. However, Examples Are Not Arguable seems to only apply when the example itself is being argued, which isn't the case here (Speedwagon is most definitely an Ensemble Dark Horse), rather, what can be argued is that Speedwagon is the most notable example of an Ensemble Dark Horse in the series.
In their second edit, which is the one I'm more opposed to, they changed a sentence to refer to the character Cioccolata as an Evil Counterpart to the character Giorno to instead refer to him as Giorno's foil, citing it as a case of Square Peg, Round Trope. Personally, I do not see how that is the case, as Evil Counterpart is defined as an evil character who shares traits with a heroic character, which I feel Cioccolata fits the bill for (both him and Giorno are intelligent men who use a polite demeanor to hide their hidden violent sides, and both have abilities based around directly manipulating life).
Basically, I'd like to get some other's opinions on these edits and see whether or not they should be changed back.
Edited by lpk675openIs there such a thing as too many Ensemble Darkhorses?
- Ensemble Dark Horse: Quite a few of the potential villagers who could live in your town. It really depends on their personality and how cute or cool they look though:
- Lazy villagers are particularly popular due to their very friendly and amicable personalities. Some examples include Stitches the cub (who resembles a patchwork teddy bear), Lucky the mummy dog, Zucker the octopus, Drago (an alligator who resembles an Eastern dragon), Filbert the squirrel, Bob and Punchy (both of which are cats, the former is believed to be the first villager ever created), and Beau and Erik (deer).
- Although Smug villagers tend to be hit or miss depending on designs, a few are popular enough to be wanted. The biggest example is Marshal the squirrel, but others include Kyle the wolf, Shep the sheepdog, Jacques the bird, O'Hare the rabbit, Colton and Julian the horse (the latter who looks like a unicorn), Olaf the Anteater, Raymond the cat, and Lopez and Zell (deer).
- Similarly, most Uchi villagers are not particularly wanted, but some are well liked enough. Examples of these include Fuchsia and Deirdre (both deer), Mira the rabbit (if only because she's a conspicuous Shout-Out to Sailor Venus), Cherry the dog, Phoebe the ostrich (who looks like a phoenix), and Muffy the sheep.
- Some of the more popular normal villagers include Fauna (deer), Marina (the only female octopus), Merengue (rhino whose head resembles a strawberry shortcake), Maple (bear cub), Molly (duck), Flurry (hamster), Goldie and Daisy (dogs), Poppy (squirrel), Skye (wolf with the same colors as the sky), Tia and Margie (the former is an elephant that resembles a teapot and the later had a role in the Animal Crossing movie.), Coco (rabbit whose head resembles a Gyroid), Lily (frog), and Kiki, Mitzi and Lolly (cats).
- Cranky villagers are generally not well liked due to having rough personalities in general, but a few manage to stand out: Apollo the eagle (who even had a role in the movie), Rolf the white tiger, Octavian the octopus, Bruce the deer, Kabuki the cat, Static the squirrel, Roscoe the horse, and Chief, Fang, Wolfgang, and Lobo (wolves).
- Snooty villagers are usually seen as hard to get along with due to being well, snooty, but quite a few are highly desired. Ankha the Egyptian-themed cat, Diana the deer, Willow the sheep, Portia (a dog modeled after a dalmatian), Freya and Whitney (both wolves with the latter even having a role in the movie), and Francine the rabbit are just a few.
- Popular peppy villagers include Rosie, Felicity and Tangy (all three are cats, with the former even having a role in the movie and the latter whose head resembles an orange), Cookie and Maddie (dogs), Ruby, Chrissy, Bunnie, Bonbon and Dotty (Rabbits), Flora the ostrich (who looks like a flamingo), Sprinkle the penguin, and Peanut the squirrel.
- Jock villagers aren’t overly popular due to their hit-or-miss designs, but a handful of them are wanted enough. Examples include Rudy and Kid Cat (both cats with the latter being designed as a superhero), Bam the deer, Snake and Genji (rabbits), Hamlet the hamster, Ribbot the robot frog, and Scoot the duck (who gained most of his fanbase from Vinesauce).
- As far as species are concerned, some are more popular then others. Familiar animals such as wolves, cats, rabbits, dogs, deer, sheep, bears (both cubs and regular), hamsters, frogs, and squirrels are popular enough that players will try to fill their town with nothing but these species. Deer appear to be the most wanted since every single deer villager appears somewhere on the list.
- Octopuses are also popular because there are only four of them in the entire series (Marina (Normal), Zucker (Lazy), Octavian (Cranky), and Inkwell (Jock)).
- While ostriches aren't the most familiar animals, they’re generally well-liked due to their creative designs, which often incorporate elements of other, more familiar birds (e.g. Flora looks like a flamingo).
- Welcome amiibo re-introduced villagers who haven't been in more recent Animal Crossing games, or only appeared in the Japan-exclusive Doubutsu no Mori e+. Some of the more popular ones include Ketchup (a duck with a tomato for a head), Dobie, Vivian (wolves), Julia (peacock-like ostrich) and Stella (sheep). The Sanrio characters are also pretty popular, but of that group, Etoile the sheepnote based on the Little Twin Stars seems to be the most loved. As for the Crossover characters, W. Link is easily the most popular.
They seem to be listing a lot of villagers here, who what I gathered, seem to be popular relative to their minor role. Some of the examples are also general too. And if all of those villagers are extremely well liked, wouldn’t that mean that none of them in particular stand out?
This was also asked here
openShoehorned into subtrope?
Mexico Called; They Want Texas Back has the following examples at the end:
- A variation is taking place in Eastern Europe. Russia called, they want Crimea back...
- During the Cold War, due to the fact Germany's eastern border wasn't definitively fixed, The Bonn Republic was making the following sentence resume its policy toward the East : Germany called, they want the Ostgebiete back. This ended after the end of the Cold War, by which Germany recognized the borders and abandoned its claim to Eastern territories. This has also become moot with the European Union and the Schengen Visa allowing Germans to travel back to their ancestral homes in Silesia and Pomerania.
- During the interbellum, it was "Hungary called, they want Transylvania back."
- In the run-up to World War I, it was very much France won't stop calling and they want Alsace-Lorraine back very much.
- The road to World War II started with "Germany called, they'd like to remilitarize the Rhineland." Then it was "Germany called, they want to annex Austria." And then it was "Germany called, they want the Sudetenland back." And then it was "Germany called, they want Memel back and the rest of Czechoslovakia, thank you very much." And finally, it was "Germany called, they want Danzig and the Polish Corridor back", at which point the rest of the world told them to shut up and stop calling. They did not.
- It is rumoured that the undeclared reason why the British Army was sent into Northern Ireland in 1969 was to forestall any attempt by the Irish Republic to move its military forces into the predominantly Catholic border counties, in order to preserve peace and prevent ethnic cleansing of Roman Catholics by Protestants. (And incidentally to reinforce the Republic's claim to sovereignty over the whole island of Ireland - you could read this as "Dublin called - we want the Six Counties Back".) It is known the Republic mobilised its armed forces, including reservists, and sent them North in the summer of 1969 to answer the emergency. Informed opinion is that South Armagh, County Tyrone and County Derry would have been occupied for peacekeeping and humanitarian reasons (but the Prot areas would have been left for the British to deal with as their problem).
I'm pretty sure that's shoehorning since the trope is specifically for Texas (by comparison, Russia Called; They Want Alaska Back's Real Life folder only mentions Alaska), but I don't know if there's an appropriate supertrope for contested territories in general to move them to. Should I comment them out for now or delete them?
Edited by Chabal2openHow original does a creator's content need to be?
I would like to create a page for the YouTuber Pikasprey, but I'm wondering if his content is "original" enough? He has one lets-play channel and a second channel where he reviews weird games or discusses glitches/Easter eggs, and on a more specific note he does crazy self-imposed challenges in Pokemon (such as a ditto-only run).
Is that sort of content creative enough to warrant a page?
Edited by WarJay77openRPG Maker games as "Eastern RPG" Videogame
I noticed video games made by RPG Maker are almost all listed in the index of Eastern RPG. Now RPG Maker is indeed a Japanese game engine, but not every video game made with it is from a Japanese production. Wouldn't it be better to remove RPG Maker from Eastern RPG unless they're an actual Japanese production? Right now it appears to be but a redundant index which lists the same exact things.
openUsing other websites as references for trope examples.
Or specifically, I've been recently working / adding stuff on Guacamelee! and its Shout-out page. But let's say this IGN resource page already listed a more detailed compilation of the game's pop-culture references, along with images for the in-game Guacamelee Shout-Out and the external work that is being referenced.
For compilation pages like these, would it be safe if I would just add a hyperlink on the top of the page (or on a specific trope like Shout-Out for the matter) saying something like "Click here for image examples to the pop-culture references"?
Or is it just lazy troping, and it would be better if I ensure that the Shout-Out compilation page won't require others to click a link to external sites?
Lastly, is there a specific set of rules that a troper must follow when linking to external websites other than TV Tropes?
openHello! Can I get moderator help? Webcomic
Ages ago I created this page for a large, publically-posted roleplay a close friend of mine and I were doing. Since its completion, I've begun development for a webcomic based on the storyline (as well as removed the original material) and I'd really liked to change the page type from "roleplay" to "webcomic." Would anyone be able to help me with this?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/TheAsteroidBelt
Edited by nombretomado
Just found JustForFun.Kenichi The Mightiest Disciple, a page from 2014 that's about trying to find all heads of the Author Avatar in the background. An Easter Egg hunt may be fine enough as JFF material, but if no-one took part and there's only one mention, wouldn't you agree that is grounds for deletion as lacking value since no-one took part and the page is super short? Thank you.
Edited by Piterpicher