Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

A while ago we discussed the Cal Leandros series. While there was still debate about Cherish and Abbagor, no one had any objections to Darkling, Hobgoblin, or Sawney Beane's being listed. Here are potential write-ups for them

• The Cal Leandros series has its fair share of reprehensible villainy:
  • Darkling, the Villain Protagonist of Nightlife, is, in Cal's words, "a nightmare for hire and the Last of His Kind." A mercenary banshee who is in it for money and kicks in equal measure, Darkling's a casual killer who sees murder as a way to relieve boredom. Signing on with the Auphe's plan to travel back in time and exterminate humanity in its infancy, Darkling bodyjacks protagonist Caliban "Cal" Leandros, and takes him on a road trip to Hell. He tries to kill Cal's brother Niko's girlfriend, Promise, hires a pair of werewolves to kill Cal's girlfriend Georgina, then kills the surviving werewolf when they fail. He feeds a captured mugger to Boggle in order to bribe him into attacking Niko, then tries to gun Niko down himself, burns down the shop of a fence who tried to rip him off, and is captured while trying to trigger the apocalypse. Unlike the Auphe, who are doing it to ensure the survival of their species, Darkling is in it for the thrill and the cash alone, and he remains a greedy, swaggering egomaniac to the end.
  • Hobgoblin, better known by all and sundry as Hob, is the oldest living puck, and may be the First Of His Kind. He's also a sociopathic conman and killer who gloats openly about being "the reason there's no honour among thieves." Orchestrating the events of Moonshine from behind the scenes, Hob arranges for the kidnapping of Georgina, and the werewolf cub, Slay, in order to ensure that Niko, Cal, and Slay's father Flay, will go along with his plans, which involve using a gypsy crown to mentally enslave everyone he comes across. When his agent, Caleb, outlives his utility Hob pins him to the floor with Spanish poniards, cuts out his heart and rams it between his teeth. He then kidnaps Niko and plans to drain him of all his blood in order to activate the crown, while using Georgina's psychic powers as source of energy. When Cal interferes, Hob makes a very deliberate attempt at cutting him to pieces, bragging that: "I can do this as long as it takes. Piece by piece, strip by strip, I'll have you down to dripping bones, and when I'm done draining your gifted girl, I'll beat her to death with what's left of you."
  • Sawney Beane, the main antagonist of Madhouse, is a Redcap Serial Killer resurrected after several hundred years dead. He quickly sets out on a killing spree, leaving his underground lair littered with the bodies of his victims. He assembles an army of revenants and impresses his own personality on them, leaving them mirror images of his own psychopathic mental state, and fills the sewers with corpses, including those of a pregnant woman and a little girl. When Niko and Cal try to stop him, Sawney skins their Boggle ally alive, boasting that her hide is filled with a mother's love and will keep him warm on cold nights. He has a particular interest in Cal whom he tries to devour alive because of his Auphe heritage. "Abide in me traveller. Special boy with with special taste. The taste of madness. The taste of me."

How do those look?

edited 19th Sep '13 10:01:14 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Good.

Now what about the Infinity Blade examples I posted? They're both Offscreen Villainy and Ausar becomes the atoner as Siris. I don't think there is a CM in that series.

Doesn't sound like any of them are qualifiers, no.

@ Medrano writeup: A good bit of it seems to focus on Greene rather than Medrano.

Wulfgar, Cunningham and Chigurh are definite keeps.

I'll touch up Medrano

If you want to keep both of them, we could probably work that; as I said, I haven't seen this one, but it sounds like Greene is plainly dominant and is at least accessory to most of Medrano's worse deeds. Or, phrased as a question: How bad would Medrano be if Greene wasn't there?

edited 19th Sep '13 1:19:02 PM by HamburgerTime

Medrano would be just as bad. The problem is, he mistakes Greene's assistance for Medrano being the dominant of the pair and Greene calmly informs him if Bolivia's President had been cooperative with Quantum, Medrano's coup would never exist.

The big difference is apart from his political ambitions, Medrano is a monster. When Greene finishes with the ultimatum which is a big "do what we want, or we kill you and speak to your successor", Medrano tries to blow off steam by raping his maid. When Camille interrupts, Medrano tries the same on her while gloating about having raped and killed her mother and sister.

I can see keeping Greene, though. At the very least, he's Quantum's agent in the Bolivia affair and his actions like killing Mathis, Agent Fields...

Okay, another batch for the film sandbox:

• Lighty's writeup for The Collector
• Lighty's writeup for Raynald de Chatillon from Kingdom of Heaven
• Wulfgar from Nighthawks
• Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men
• Lighty's writeup for Godfrey from Robin Hood
• Archibald Cunningham from Rob Roy
• The Rurouni Kenshin entries
• Malachi from Solomon Kane

Sound good?

Also, I found this on Zodiac:

• Complete Monster: The Zodiac assuming that he and Allen aren't the same person. He tortures and kills random people and flaunts his crimes to the police and media, all for shits and giggles.
  • And even if you don't think Allen is the Zodiac, he's still a pedophile.

Umm, I'm confused.

Burn the Zodiac one. He's a serial killer, but his actual identity is unknown and in terms of heinous ness he just kills people.

In the film, however, he is, from what I recall, played as a CM whose only apparently motivation is for the Evulz

Two question about the director folder for Sandbox.Film Monsters.

First of all, can it be sorted by the director last name, not there first name.

Second of all, can I add this:

• From the films of the Coen Brothers:
  • Gaear Grimsrud of Fargo is a simply heartless monster who will kill anyone for little reason. Brought in for a simple kidnap and ransom job, Grimsrud demonstrates his cruelty by killing a cop because the man took too long to bribe, and then chases down and kills a couple who witnessed the murder, all without any expression. Grimsrud later loses patience with the kidnapping victim and kills her simply because her crying is getting on his nerves. When he has a dispute with a fellow conspirator over a car, Grimsrud just kills him with an axe and feeds his body into a woodchipper. When he's finally caught by the police, the heroine Marge Gunderson is left stunned how a human being could do the things Grimsrud has done for just 'a little bit of money.'
  • Anton Chigurh of No Country for Old Men strangles a cop to death with cuffs; shoots both his employers in cold blood because he wanted the money they were chasing after; shoots a crying, surrendering man hiding in a shower; and has absolutely no qualms about killing innocent people, including a random old man for his car and a motorist that did nothing except pick up the main character. In his most senselessly cruel act, he murders the dead protagonist's wife only to fulfill a pointless promise to him. Some consider Carla Jean's refusal to accept his offer as a Crowning Moment Of Awesome, calling out his bullshit of giving his victims a 50-50 chance. Even knowing Anton Chigurh puts you in mortal danger. Like one line by Carson Wells points out: "Even if you gave him the money, he would still kill you just for...inconveniencing him." The worst thing about him is how he subjects his victims to a bizarre form of Mind Rape and actually convinces them to accept their death. It's easy to see why his partner-in-crime Carson Wells compares him to the Bubonic Plague. He faces no repercussions, which goes chillingly well along with the nature of his character: an unstoppable force of nature personified in human flesh. He does not enjoy these acts, he is just a evil psychopath with utterly no regard for the lives of anyone.

edited 19th Sep '13 5:40:40 PM by randomtroper89

He has a dispute with Grimsrud over a 'car,' not 'card' just a note

Both questions: Go ahead.

Can I add my list of entries?

Absolutely.

Other than cutting the Word Crufty "certainly fits this trope" from the Chiguhr entry, looks okay to me. (Maybe just merge it into the very next sentence, to not leave the name dangling as a sentence fragment.)

Okay before I add the writeup for Raynald de Chatillon from Kingdom Of Heaven, is it really a good idea to include the line "true to Real Life"?

I'll leave that to those here to decide, but the real Raynald, even in Crusader circles, was known as an utter bastard without anything by way of redeeming features

Also, in the Solomon Kane entry, is Dragon referring to The Dragon?

Yes, that may've been my error

I'd say "no" on mentioning the real Reynard on personal experience. My understanding is you can mention a character was based on a real figure (Napoleon) or associated with infamous real figures within the fiction (Mr. Sinister, Red Skull) but not that they're a fictionalized version of a real person. I tried to add such details to Amon Goeth's entry (and what's more that the fictional version was toned down from the real guy) and it was immediately reverted.

Since I have come late this thread, can I ask which sub sections have been finalized and if a sub section has been finalized, when, if ever, can we add new examples?

The unnamed drug dealers from Breaking Bad were recently readded to the YMMV as was this:

George R.R. Martin calls Walter White worse than any character in A Song of Ice and Fire. Now there's something to strike terror in your heart.

I'm guessing those should be cut.

edited 19th Sep '13 6:02:09 PM by TommyFresh

No subsection is ever truly "finalised". There are sections that we have, to the best of our knowledge, rid of non-examples, and sections which we are still working on. New examples may be proposed at any time, as long as you do it here and properly explain how your candidate qualifies. Also, make sure you search the thread to find out if the example has been discussed before.

Yeah, cut that. Especially since it isn't true. Or did Walt try to make a girl kiss the head of her father's rotting corpse? Or rape a six year old while still wearing full chainmail?

edited 19th Sep '13 6:02:57 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Okay I cut the drug dealers and Walt from Breaking Bad. Why can't people just wait til the damn shows over before trying to add Walt?!?

edited 19th Sep '13 6:14:27 PM by TommyFresh

Or kill/maim a kid, even. The quote is either total unsourced bullocks or there is a very strange selective memory at play.

Just two more weeks...you know, tossing my money into the pot, I'm going to bet in the end that there aren't going to be a lot of Complete Monster entries added to Breaking Bad. A part of the show's theme of double and ambiguous identities was that sincere altruistic qualities and horrific dark sides can coexist within the same person, and that doesn't fit anywhere in the trope definition of a complete monster.

edited 19th Sep '13 6:19:59 PM by Crowley