Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Yeah, you kind of have to stay on top of it. So far, I think you, me, and Lighty have given a for Gilles.

@ 36236: Oh, Kaal has full control over his actions as well as moral agency. He hates Krrish and humanity so much, he wants to seem them annihilated and he would use anything to do so without a sense of regret (i.e. viruses, maanvars, or himself post-cure).

for Gilles btw.

edited 26th Feb '15 8:51:59 AM by sanfranman91

And it doesn't seem like Kaal is a Tragic Monster or a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds like Creuset.

Well I 'd say Kaal gets a

to Kaal.

On Mc Leach and Sykes... well I gotta give Mc Leach a tentative . Not only attempting to kill Cody and enjoying it but my issue with him is that we do not have any evidence that he does not know the animals he hunts are sentient. Cody talks to them and the movie kind of implies that humans might understand animals. Honestly, I do not know if we can just assume that Mc Leach does not understand the animals because the movie is unclear about it.

With Sykes, well I never understood what he was doing on the list. I read all the discussions on him, and it just seemed "Definitely a CM, darker than most Disney villains," without actually looking at what he does. What he does? His cruelty is mostly towards Fagin who is also a criminal and owes him lots of money and while his cruelty might be too harsh it definitely prevents a CM territory. He kidnaps the girl for ransom, and in the end chases her when she and her friends escape. Honestly, kidnapping a girl for ransom is very standard villainy even by Disney standard. He does not even treat her as cruelly as he treated Fagin. Chasing her and the heroes? This is very standard and I cannot think of a villain that never chased the heroes. He is certainly better than Mcleach who kidnaps a child in a much more malicious and sadistic way. I think the only reason he was on the list is because he was unusually dark for a Disney villain For me, Sykes in a very easy cut.

edited 26th Feb '15 10:26:08 AM by holders

I was under the impression that baseline heinousness is one murder, and am still under the impression that cutting Ratched was a mistake.

edited 26th Feb '15 3:36:29 PM by ACW

It's pretty concise considering it covers everything he does over multiple mediums.

With myself included, we currently have 5 and 0 for Kaal at the moment, with Morgenthaler yet to make a final vote (even though he does agree that Kaal is more than heinous enough to be a CM). Here is a draft entry I've come up with and you can find the effortpost here if you want to add any details:

• Krrish 3: Kaal is a handicapped scientific genius who exhibits telekinetic powers. He is also an absolutely psychopathic, sadistic, and just plain insane Omnicidal Maniac who seeks to wipe out humanity. As the head of Kaal Pharmaceuticals, he establishes himself as a terrible boss who gets wealthy by developing viruses, releasing them in densely populated areas, and withholding their antidotes until it reaches a price threshold. After wiping out 40% of Namibia’s population, he uses his team of maanvars, or mutants made from fusing human and animal DNA, to spread the virus in Mumbai. After this plan is foiled, Kaal abducts Krishna Mehra’s/Krrish’s pregnant wife Priya and sends his righthand woman Kaya to impersonate Priya and lie about having a miscarriage. He goes From Bad to Worse once he kidnaps and forcibly receives bone marrow from his biological father Rohit Mehra, as he uses powers to callously kill his colleagues (including Kaya after she defected to join Krrish) and mercilessly murder Krrish in front of his father. To top it all off, during a final battle against a resurrected Krrish, Kaal mocks him for being human before attempting to kill the hero’s unborn child.

edited 26th Feb '15 11:37:04 AM by sanfranman91

Kaal

I'll submit Redjac and Kaal Saturday morning (along with Anime And Manga S To Z)

edited 26th Feb '15 3:36:13 PM by ACW

Should we cut Quercus Alba? I mean it's been said numerous times that regardless of how evil a CM is, if they show even a trace of genuine kind feelings, they need to be cut. Quercus genuinely felt sympathy for Oldbag and her bad hip. I don't recall any other listed CM on the page showing any kind of feeling but disgust for the people around them.

And any though on Florent L'Belle? He killed one person, blackmailed several on screen, tried to kill two other people, and was perfectly willing to send his boss to jail if it meant him getting to be the mayor of Tenma Town. He shows no remorse or regret for his crimes, does not have a Freudian Excuse, and did not get an APV moment. His only "excuse" is that he's in debt, Many characters have been in debt before in the series, but they've never resorted to murder. At worst, they've stolen from people.

Okay, final writeup for Duncan.

• Worth Dying For: Jacob Ducan who runs a rural Nebraskan farmer town like a tinpot dictator straight out of Ruritania, along with his brothers Jonas and Jasper and his son Seth (who also beats his wife). They run a trucking business whose service they force upon every family in town. Anyone who refuses or disagrees with them would find themselves beaten up and their properties ruined by a gang of ex-college football players under the Duncan's payroll. They use this business to smuggle people from Asia for sex trafficking. All of them are pedophiles who keep a child from each shipment, murder them they've grown bored with them, and make a shrine and photographic memento of every corpse (there are about 60 in all, 2 or 3 every year). Even Reacher, a former MP who's seen all kinds of corpses himself, explicitly admits he regrets having taken a look at the barn where the Duncan holds those shrines.

Oh and for Kaal.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:19:05 PM by randomtroper89

I'm pretty sure that Florent was brought up and deemed not heinous enough.

@ Klavice: What was the context for Alba? Was it when he was still pretending to be good/harmless? Also, I'm gonna say no to the other example. Nit heinous enough at all.

Big yes to Kaal

@ Morgen and Ambar: Good points in there. I don't feel like arguing about it right now, so I'll say that in my opinion, Sykes ought be cut and Mcleach should stay.

Also, reaffirming my yes for Gilles de Rais after research on the series.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:38:46 PM by Lightysnake

So have we reached a conclusion for Anton Bartok ?

And does have any opinions on Werner Zytle ? I got one vote for him so far.

We really need to add Crowners to this thread. I've fixed Duncan (come on RT 89 ), and I'll submit along with the Ani Manga Sandbox swapping Saturday morning.

• The Blob (1988 remake): Dr. Christopher Meddows is a military scientist who specializes in bioweapons. He's inadvertently responsible for developing the Blob by sending the satellite and the proto-Blob sample into space, where it mutated before it fell back down on Earth. He didn't expect it to develop into a ravenous, all-consuming monster, but he is more than pleased at this development and its military potential. He cordons off the town where the Blob has started its spread so he can test its killing potential on all the inhabitants and to perform further experiments on the survivors. He's even willing to sacrifice his own men to further his goal, as he orders the sewers blocked off when two of the heroes and one of his men try to escape from the pursuing Blob.
• Krrish 3: In this Bollywood film, Kaal is a handicapped scientific genius who exhibits telekinetic powers. He is also an absolutely sociopathic, psychopathic sadist who seeks to wipe out humanity. As a young boy, he used a knife to kill his adoptive father, as Kaal was using his powers for destruction. As the head of Kaal Pharmaceuticals, he establishes himself as a terrible boss who gets wealthy by developing viruses, releasing them in densely populated areas, and withholding their antidotes until he can get a certain price. After wiping out 40% of Namibia’s population, he uses his team of maanvars, mutants made from fusing human and animal DNA, to spread the virus in Mumbai. After this plan is foiled, Kaal abducts Krishna Mehra’s/Krrish’s pregnant wife Priya and sends his Dragon Kaya to impersonate Priya and lie about having a miscarriage. He later kidnaps and forcibly receives bone marrow from his biological father Rohit Mehra, making him and Krrish (half-)brothers in a way. After his disability is cured, he uses his powers to callously kill his colleagues (including Kaya after she defected to join Krrish) and mercilessly murder Krrish in front of his father. To top it all off, during a final battle against a resurrected Krrish, Kaal mocks him for being human and attempts to kill the hero’s unborn child before finishing his adversary off.
• Redjac, introduced in "Wolf in the Fold" from season 2 of The Original Series, is a non-corporeal being that fed on fear and terror, but enjoyed causing fear just as much as the actual consumption of it. Redjac had the ability to take a humanoid host, and used these hosts for centuries to commit mass murders, most notably as Jack the Ripper. It targeted women because their deaths tended to generate more fear, and was responsible for dozens of deaths across multiple planets, and almost certainly countless more, as it claims to have existed since the dawn of time. In the episode, Redjac murders three women and frames Scotty for all of them. When it’s discovered, it takes control of the Enterprise’s computers and attempts to kill everyone on-board, cackling all the while. While it appears to have been defeated, it reappeared in both the DC and WildStorm comics. In the DC two-parter, “Wolf on the Prowl” and “Wolf at the Door”, it commits several more murders in the body of an Enterprise crewperson, had established itself as the “God of Evil” on a primitive planet, and killed thousands of said planet’s inhabitants to give itself power in a last-ditch effort to get revenge on Kirk by destroying the Enterprise. In the Wildstorm comic “Embrace the Wolf”, it provoked an all-out nuclear war on a peaceful Federation planet, and challenged Data in his Sherlock Holmes persona to save his fellow crew members while Redjac took up its mantle once again as Jack the Ripper. Acting less as a senseless predator and more as a psychotic serial killer on a galactic level, Redjac is one of the worst that Star Trek has to offer.

edited 26th Feb '15 3:40:46 PM by ACW

Not a terrible idea. Crowners, that is.

Crowners would be interesting.

At the VERY least with them it'd be easier to keep track of who voted which way.

Unless something about them's been changed in the site upgrade, crowners sound like a terrible idea. It seems like it would be very possible for a lot of people who just want a character included to stop by and vote them up.

As a note, I'll give a yes to Werner and I think yes to Bartok

When should we end our re voting on Sykes and Mcleach and do a tally?

Also, Larkmarn: You have three to one , would you like to attempt a write up for Clinch?

edited 26th Feb '15 4:31:02 PM by bobg

@Lighty: No, Alba had finished his feeble old man facade then.

Way back when we voted not to allow crowners because we wanted to avoid people voting for characters without providing their reasons. So I would still have to say I'm opposed.