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Seeking for Light
Trope Overdosed and Troperiffic are not the same thing, although they can overlap. Trope Overdosed is largely dependent on the work's popularity among the troper base; Troperiffic can occur even if a work is not Trope Overdosed, as it's an observation of the way the work uses tropes.
1127 nrjxll7th Jun 2013 09:04:58 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up]Correct. Whether a work is Trope Overdosed is completely unrelated to its content, except inasmuch as certain works are going to be more attractive to most tropers.
If others don't think it's an issue, then it's not an issue. Though Cliché Storm's similarities with Troperiffic wasn't mentioned.
1129 SeptimusHeap8th Jun 2013 08:31:05 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
The difference is right there on the Home Page.
Laconic.Troperiffic says it's about cliches even though it's about tropes. Readers should not have to go to other articles in order to understand the trope, which is a part of the reasons for why we don't want Zero Context Examples and Weblinks as Examples.
1131 SeptimusHeap8th Jun 2013 08:55:10 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Never trust a laconic on anything. They are usually wrong about such things. In fact, I'll go fix that.

eta: Did it, although it may use a stronger rewrite.

edited 8th Jun '13 8:56:02 AM by SeptimusHeap

1132 AnotherDuck8th Jun 2013 10:17:17 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I want to write "Complete. Tropal. Saturation," but I don't think it would be a good idea...

edited 8th Jun '13 10:17:30 AM by AnotherDuck

Check out my fanfiction!
Calling Self-Fanservice.

Nominating The Chew Toy. It's "a character the audience loves specifically because his or her misery amuses them so."

edited 12th Jun '13 1:56:47 AM by MyTimingIsOff

In uffish thought
Can I come here to say that I don't think Painful Rhyme should be YMMV?

The idea that you cringe because of a rhyme is YMMV. The idea that a rhyme doesn't work, particularly in spoken English where you know what accent is being used, is not. Spür/mir, from Elisabeth, does not rhyme although it is clearly used as a rhyme. The description could be edited to focus on the latter — I've no clue why it doesn't do so at the moment — and there we have a perfectly objective trope.

Whether or not it is removed from the YMMV list, can I remove the Love Never Dies example? That one tries to say that creep/sleep and floor/door/core/for/more are painful, but those are perfect rhymes and not stretched at all.
1135 SeptimusHeap13th Jun 2013 11:55:04 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
That looks like a redefinition/split thing, which would take a TRS (not that I am warming up to the prospect of another 300+ wicks TRS thread...)
Seeking for Light
[up] Agreed with this.

[up][up] Hm... Does the usage of the words also flow naturally within the lyrics/poem? Because there's two types of forced rhyme: one which uses slant rhyme or mispronunciation, and one which mangles the text itself to make the rhyme fit.

Not being familiar with the work in question, I have no idea if it falls under the latter.
1137 MagBas14th Jun 2013 08:13:18 PM from In my house
I am nominating Jerkass Dissonance. This is about the reaction of the audience to a jerkass character, after all.
1138 MagBas16th Jun 2013 03:06:30 PM from In my house
Furry Fandom is not In-Universe Examples Only, trivia or Useful Notes. It is YMMV?

edited 16th Jun '13 3:07:01 PM by MagBas

1139 SeptimusHeap16th Jun 2013 03:12:41 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
It's a trope.
1140 MagBas18th Jun 2013 04:43:22 PM from In my house
Bumping to votes.
1141 PancticeSquadCutterback19th Jun 2013 02:33:57 PM from Georgia (the one the devil went to, not Russia)
This is Rain. Isn't she pretty? :)
I've remade Too Good to Last into a disambiguation index. It should get the banner.
I'm not LGBT. I just think Rain's really cool.

Apologies if my humor gets too painful.
Making Too Good to Last a disambig may have been a better idea, but I think it should become a deliberate redlink.

edited 19th Jun '13 7:38:55 PM by MikuruFan

1143 SeptimusHeap20th Jun 2013 05:04:29 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Note that disambig and YMMV are not mutually exclusive. We do that on discontinuity after all.
Using the YMMV banner gives messages that the example should be moved to the YMMV page, when really it should be fixed or removed.
Why is Values Resonance on the YMMV index but not Values Dissonance?

edited 22nd Jun '13 6:35:53 AM by Ingonyama

1146 SeptimusHeap22nd Jun 2013 06:37:36 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Because it's already on the Audience Reactions index.
Some of the things on the YMMV index fit better on the Audience Reactions index and vice versa. To move them across each other and whether it fits on Audience Reactions or YMMV, should there be a discussion/crowner? I've asked this before, but I didn't get a clear response.
1148 SeptimusHeap22nd Jun 2013 07:31:04 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I did some segregation on these indexes back in the day. Basically, if it's all on the audience side it goes on Audience Reactions.
So Bad, It's Good is an Audience Reaction. So Okay, It's Average is YMMV. Things like these are why there needs to be better segregation.
1150 SeptimusHeap22nd Jun 2013 07:57:32 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu

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17th Aug '14 8:08:24 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

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