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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1126: Jun 7th 2013 at 8:16:14 PM

Trope Overdosed and Troperiffic are not the same thing, although they can overlap. Trope Overdosed is largely dependent on the work's popularity among the troper base; Troperiffic can occur even if a work is not Trope Overdosed, as it's an observation of the way the work uses tropes.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#1127: Jun 7th 2013 at 9:04:58 PM

[up]Correct. Whether a work is Trope Overdosed is completely unrelated to its content, except inasmuch as certain works are going to be more attractive to most tropers.

DunDun Wandering... Since: Apr, 2012
Wandering...
#1128: Jun 8th 2013 at 8:29:16 AM

If others don't think it's an issue, then it's not an issue. Though Cliché Storm's similarities with Troperiffic wasn't mentioned.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1129: Jun 8th 2013 at 8:31:05 AM

The difference is right there on the Home Page.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DunDun Wandering... Since: Apr, 2012
Wandering...
#1130: Jun 8th 2013 at 8:40:40 AM

Laconic.Troperiffic says it's about cliches even though it's about tropes. Readers should not have to go to other articles in order to understand the trope, which is a part of the reasons for why we don't want Zero Context Examples and Weblinks as Examples.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1131: Jun 8th 2013 at 8:55:10 AM

Never trust a laconic on anything. They are usually wrong about such things. In fact, I'll go fix that.

eta: Did it, although it may use a stronger rewrite.

edited 8th Jun '13 8:56:02 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#1132: Jun 8th 2013 at 10:17:17 AM

I want to write "Complete. Tropal. Saturation," but I don't think it would be a good idea...

edited 8th Jun '13 10:17:30 AM by AnotherDuck

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MyTimingIsOff Since: Dec, 2011
#1133: Jun 12th 2013 at 1:47:16 AM

Calling Self-Fanservice.

Nominating The Chew Toy. It's "a character the audience loves specifically because his or her misery amuses them so."

edited 12th Jun '13 1:56:47 AM by MyTimingIsOff

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#1134: Jun 13th 2013 at 11:34:20 AM

Can I come here to say that I don't think Painful Rhyme should be YMMV?

The idea that you cringe because of a rhyme is YMMV. The idea that a rhyme doesn't work, particularly in spoken English where you know what accent is being used, is not. Spür/mir, from Elisabeth, does not rhyme although it is clearly used as a rhyme. The description could be edited to focus on the latter — I've no clue why it doesn't do so at the moment — and there we have a perfectly objective trope.

Whether or not it is removed from the YMMV list, can I remove the Love Never Dies example? That one tries to say that creep/sleep and floor/door/core/for/more are painful, but those are perfect rhymes and not stretched at all.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1135: Jun 13th 2013 at 11:55:04 AM

That looks like a redefinition/split thing, which would take a TRS (not that I am warming up to the prospect of another 300+ wicks TRS thread...)

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#1136: Jun 13th 2013 at 12:05:36 PM

[up] Agreed with this.

[up][up] Hm... Does the usage of the words also flow naturally within the lyrics/poem? Because there's two types of forced rhyme: one which uses slant rhyme or mispronunciation, and one which mangles the text itself to make the rhyme fit.

Not being familiar with the work in question, I have no idea if it falls under the latter.

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#1137: Jun 14th 2013 at 8:13:18 PM

I am nominating Jerkass Dissonance. This is about the reaction of the audience to a jerkass character, after all.

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#1138: Jun 16th 2013 at 3:06:30 PM

Furry Fandom is not In Universe Examples Only, trivia or Useful Notes. It is YMMV?

edited 16th Jun '13 3:07:01 PM by MagBas

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1139: Jun 16th 2013 at 3:12:41 PM

It's a trope.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
PancticeSquadCutterback This is Rain. Isn't she pretty? :) from Georgia (the one the devil went to, not Russia) Since: Feb, 2012
This is Rain. Isn't she pretty? :)
#1141: Jun 19th 2013 at 2:33:57 PM

I've remade Too Good to Last into a disambiguation index. It should get the banner.

I'm not LGBT. I just think Rain's really cool. Apologies if my humor gets too painful.
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1142: Jun 19th 2013 at 7:38:41 PM

Making Too Good to Last a disambig may have been a better idea, but I think it should become a deliberate redlink.

edited 19th Jun '13 7:38:55 PM by MikuruFan

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1143: Jun 20th 2013 at 5:04:29 AM

Note that disambig and YMMV are not mutually exclusive. We do that on discontinuity after all.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1144: Jun 20th 2013 at 6:08:12 AM

Using the YMMV banner gives messages that the example should be moved to the YMMV page, when really it should be fixed or removed.

Ingonyama Gay Pagan Geek from San Francisco Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
Gay Pagan Geek
#1145: Jun 22nd 2013 at 6:35:39 AM

Why is Values Resonance on the YMMV index but not Values Dissonance?

edited 22nd Jun '13 6:35:53 AM by Ingonyama

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1146: Jun 22nd 2013 at 6:37:36 AM

Because it's already on the Audience Reactions index.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1147: Jun 22nd 2013 at 7:25:52 AM

Some of the things on the YMMV index fit better on the Audience Reactions index and vice versa. To move them across each other and whether it fits on Audience Reactions or YMMV, should there be a discussion/crowner? I've asked this before, but I didn't get a clear response.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1148: Jun 22nd 2013 at 7:31:04 AM

I did some segregation on these indexes back in the day. Basically, if it's all on the audience side it goes on Audience Reactions.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#1149: Jun 22nd 2013 at 7:55:43 AM

So Bad, It's Good is an Audience Reaction. So Okay, It's Average is YMMV. Things like these are why there needs to be better segregation.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1150: Jun 22nd 2013 at 7:57:32 AM

So Okay, It's Average is an Audience Reaction, yeah.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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6th Apr '12 3:44:26 AM

Crown Description:

YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

Note: Audience Reactions need to be subjective, emotional responses and things that are likely to cause arguments and disagreements. Merely being outside a work or inside an audience don't make things YMMV

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