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#226: May 15th 2017 at 9:42:24 PM

Pretty sure a Genius Bonus should be more than coincidence.

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#227: May 16th 2017 at 1:37:24 AM

I'm pretty sure something that subtle isn't going to hit the radar even if they notice it.

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#228: Jun 22nd 2017 at 11:07:14 PM

edited 20th Jan '18 4:02:48 AM by YasminPerry

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#229: Aug 11th 2017 at 8:45:51 AM

Radar.One Piece seems to have a lot of misuse.

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#230: Aug 11th 2017 at 2:20:00 PM

Radar.Pa Rappa The Rapper was full of things that are clearly Accidental Innuendo or otherwise not intentionally snuck past the ESRB. I got rid of them.

edited 11th Aug '17 2:23:35 PM by Zuxtron

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#231: Oct 22nd 2017 at 2:38:22 PM

I was looking at the Theater subpage, and I noticed the Shakespeare examples appeared to be more of a list of naughty words than things that would get past the radar. Would there have been a radar looking at Shakespeare's plays?

This brings up two other questions:

1) What is the radar theatrical productions go through? Unlike film or tv, they don't have to go through a specific board of Moral Watchdogs.

2) How do we handle historical works? They might have different standards than we do now, but it's not always easy to tell if the penis metaphor in a Victorian novel was something the editor missed or something the editor thought was clever enough to let through.

I'm cutting the The Twilight Zone entry for being a ZCE.

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#232: Oct 22nd 2017 at 5:02:03 PM

If editorial standards were different (or nonexistent) for the work at its time of publication, then obviously it can't be an example.

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#233: Oct 23rd 2017 at 6:09:08 AM

If standards were laxer, maybe, but if they were stricter it might count. For example, someone in a 14th-century poem blaspheming the church.

Looks like the Master of the Revels would have been the Shakesperian censor, being the guy who approved plays for production and print. There were actually laws passed to prevent certain words from being used. This had more to do with religion than sex words, which appear to not be something the censors cared about as much.

That law must have given Marlowe some trouble. We actually have a record that he edited Faust to comply with these laws.

edited 23rd Oct '17 6:15:02 AM by VerySunshine

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#234: Nov 1st 2017 at 2:34:39 PM

I just pulled the "Textbooks" section.

    Textbooks 
  • In the Campbell/Reese (6th Edition) Biology textbook, it describes a particular type of breeding, technically referred to as semelparity, from Latin roots. However, the first and easier to remember name is...big-bang reproduction. It gets better.
  • The Cambridge Latin Course has its moments. Any language book that includes the line "ancilla dominum multum delectat" (the slave girl pleases the master very much), can't exactly claim innocence.
    • "The master said "I am leaving for a while." The cook says "hooray!" The slave girl pleased the cook and he was happy. Then he pleased her for a long time."

The "big-bang reproduction" sounds like it's a term used by biologists, not something the textbook chose, so even if it were an example it would be in the wrong spot. Let the biologists have their fun.

The second one is a university course. They want to make learning dead languages entertaining. If they have to imply sex to do it, so be it.

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#235: Nov 3rd 2017 at 7:36:06 PM

'Big bang reproduction' definitely predates the 6th edition of the Campbell/Reece Biology book and is a widespread nickname for semelparity. It originated from the way salmon mass-spawn and then die off afterwards.

There would not be a radar where that term was concerned.

edited 3rd Nov '17 7:38:07 PM by Wyldchyld

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#236: Nov 5th 2017 at 6:13:28 PM

Radar.Pingu seems to be entirely cases of Values Dissonance, reading too far into things, and things that wouldn't actually need to be censored. I removed a few examples that clearly don't fit, but I'd like others' opinions before cutting the rest.

edited 5th Nov '17 6:16:27 PM by Zuxtron

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#237: Nov 12th 2017 at 6:33:58 PM

Where Shakespeare is concerned, there was a radar, but it dealt mostly with religion and politics. If you catch him criticizing the reigning monarch or religious dogma, that's GC Pt R. If you catch him making sexually-suggestive or scatological remarks, that isn't.

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#238: Dec 3rd 2017 at 9:26:14 PM

I have to agree on the Pingu examples not really being examples. They are hardly "snuck by" the radar, but are rather on full display, and major parts of the scene. I'm sure there are tropes these can be put under, but Radar seems to be the wrong one.

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#239: Dec 27th 2017 at 12:15:34 AM

Do most web series have a radar? I remember RWBY's page was deleted because it was deemed not to have one, but I've seen other works list examples when they're not professional productions.

What's the radar for (American) kid's literature? I was going to list an example of a middle school aimed book with some risque stuff, but... I'm not terribly certain if books even have a radar, at least in general. If they do, they're not comparable to other media. Books get away with more than film or animation.

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#240: Dec 27th 2017 at 5:25:54 AM

"Radar" in this case refers to external censorship and/or editorial standards. Most web content doesn't have any inherent standards other than those of its creator. To be sure, you can risk your standing with advertisers and/or your audience by putting out something too "adult", but that's post-facto censorship, which isn't the same thing.

By contrast, most physical books go through several rounds of implicit or explicit censorship. If you go with a commercial publisher, that's the first barrier. If you want to sell your book into the Young Adult market, for example, your publisher will carefully screen it for content. The same goes with professional editors. There may be an industry panel that assigns a content rating, and then you have to get your book placed on store shelves, which involves a final round of oversight. If, after that, you still get your explicit sex scene into the tween section, then sure, it can be an example of GCPTR — at least until the public outcry hits and you're forced to pull it.

So, enumerating the rules again:

  • There must be "radar" — that is, active pre-release editorial review and/or censorship of the content.
  • There must be "crap" — that is, content that said censorship would or should ordinarily catch and prevent from being published.
  • There must be "getting past" — that is, deliberate intent to push said content past said censorship.

edited 27th Dec '17 5:29:44 AM by Fighteer

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#242: Feb 6th 2018 at 6:40:36 AM

Your question doesn't make much sense. Are there already Radar examples associated with that article, and are there enough (at least three and preferably more) that a subpage would be appropriate?

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#243: Feb 6th 2018 at 3:52:32 PM

Well, the 80's cartoon page has a subpage; but i was only wondering since i assume the comics probably have "nsfw" content in some issues.

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#244: Feb 6th 2018 at 4:29:30 PM

Radar.Rock Band has a few examples that I think might not actually count:

  • The "Blitz and Giggles" achievement in Blitz.
    It's a pun hinting at a swear word, but doesn't actually use it. Not sure whether to cut or keep.
  • There are two versions of the song "Poker Face" available as DLC: the original Lady Gaga version, and a cover by Eric Cartman. While it would qualify more as a Parental Bonus, keep in mind that the latter version is covered by a character from a series that usually isn't "T-Rated", so to speak.
    • On top of that, the whole reason either version is included is because of a scene where Cartman, Kyle, and Kenny were playing "Poker Face" on Rock Band, despite the fact that the song was not playable in the game at the time.
    Absolutely not an example, just referencing South Park is not in itself inappropriate. The second point is more of an unrelated fun fact.

  • Even more curious, Iron Maiden's "2 Minutes to Midnight" is heavily censored in Guitar Hero 5, but not in Rock Band. Namely the phrase "to kill the unborn in the womb" (the first two words are censored on the GH disc).
    Not sure why this is "Even more curious" considering how I remember people complaining about GH5 going too far with its censorship, with this song being given as one example. The game is rated T, the word "kill" is acceptable for that age rating.

  • ...HAMMER SMASHED FACE, people! Sure, it may be DLC and have indecipherable, growled vocals, but this is the original cover art (the game uses censored art). And here are the lyrics. In case you didn't know, they're about a psychopathic killer... With a hammer!
    • So is Maxwell's Silver Hammer in The Beatles: Rock Band, and they got away with that too. Then again, they are The Beatles.
    • Just the fact that they have Cannibal Corpse in their catalogue is a ton of shit past the radar.
    The original artwork IS pretty bad, but it's not used in the game, so I don't see what the problem is. The extreme gorn in the lyrics might make this qualify, though. The extra bullet points seem to be unnecessary and should probably be cut.

  • In Rock Band 3 is Break On Through, including the lyric "she get high", which is pretty tame, but the most popular version of the song censors "high", and this version is heard more often in radio and games (including Tony Hawk). A remastered, uncensored version was released just in time to be incorporated into RB3.
    • Living in America starts with: Teenage pornstars.
    • Portions for Foxes practically screams "sex", complete with orgasmic pants that you actually get to sing along to.
    • Beast and the Harlot and This Bastard's Life also push the boundaries.
    This has incorrect Example Indentation. The first one admits that it's pretty tame, so it's probably wrong. Second and third ones might count. Fourth one is a Zero Context Example.

  • There's the song that's not so obviously about suicide in Rock Band 2, Today by The Smashing Pumpkins. It's constantly played as a background song, and it has the line "I'll burn my eyes out".
    • In a similar vein, there's "Hey Man, Nice Shot" by Filter in 3.
    Neither of these songs have particularly explicit lyrics. Just having dark or disturbing themes does not automatically make a song GCPTR.

  • The downloadable songs "Jeremy" and "Pumped Up Kicks" are both about abused and outcast teenagers killing teenagers, with the former being more grim and the latter being more blatantly transparent. What's more, "Pumped Up Kicks" was included with Rock Band Blitz.
    • Rock Band 2 has another Pearl Jam song, "Alive". It's not too well-known, but "Alive" is actually about Parental Incest.
    Once again, bad indentation. Both of these songs were mainstream hits, and if they were considered OK to be played on TV and the radio, they're definitely OK for a T-rated game.

  • More "Family Friendly" songs:
    This is in reference to songs that are labelled "Family-friendly" by the game, so they might be correct, but it's also a whole bunch of ZCEs.

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#245: Feb 8th 2018 at 8:56:44 PM

@Fighteer I directed [up][up] here and to Ask The Tropers from the G.I. Joe forum thread, where he made that post. I felt the post was misplaced there, but left links to both this thread and ATT in my response.

Does that post belong in ATT? If it does, I'll post Mishmash's question there.

edited 8th Feb '18 8:57:23 PM by jameygamer

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#247: Apr 13th 2018 at 7:20:30 AM

[up][up] I don't think any of those lyrics are particularly challenging/radar-dodging for a T-rated game. They have been surprising for Rock Band fans considering the inconsistent censorship in the franchise, but shouldn't have proposed any issue with the radar.

Some of those songs being tagged as "Family-Friendly" might count as an example, as Rock Band's internal radar clearly must have been asleep if they thought "Last Resort" was family-friendly.

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#249: Apr 13th 2018 at 9:35:44 AM

That post was made a while ago, but I went ahead and cut a bunch of blatant non-examples from Rock Band.

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#250: Apr 24th 2018 at 6:51:24 PM

So I haven't been following that show for a while, but apparently a recent episode of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is titled "Grannies Gone Wild". Would that reference be enough to qualify as GCPTR?


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