YMMV / Saw

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Hello, troper.

I wrote this note as an... insurance policy, of sorts. If you are reading this, it is because, while adding tropes to the main page of my films, you added... a YMMV item.

You knew full well the consequences of doing so, yet you put the trope on the main page anyways, foolhardy in your beliefs as to how widespread your opinion was.

Well now you have one last shot at redemption. Below is a partial listing, started by those who came before and made the same grave mistake as you, of subjective tropes found in my films. If you wish to escape your predicament, you must complete this list, before that anvil drops. It is closer now, troper, but luckily for you, there are fewer subjective tropes than tropes that belong on the main page.

And remember, troper, all of these items are subjective; if you do not take into account the opinions of those who disagree with you while adding examples, you will not succeed.

Your opinions brought you here, and now you must put them on display for all to see if you wish to escape with your life.

Live or die, troper.

Make your tropes.



Films in general:

  • Acceptable Targets: Many of Jigsaw's victims are deplorable characters, such as thieves, druggies, racists, gangsters, killers, rapists, and lawyers. In some cases, though, the victims have only made minor mistakes in their lives, and others are completely innocent.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Is Jigsaw a true monster, or a legitimately sick and tragically misguided social engineer?
  • Awesome Music: The Series' main Theme, commonly known as "Hello Zepp".
  • Base-Breaking Character: Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman. There really is no solid middle ground with this guy. Fans either find him to be devious and formidable as hell or a lousy, crooked detective that doesn't hold a candle to Jigsaw.
  • Broken Base: After Saw III hit the screens, THE ENTIRE FANBASE argued about it. Online and off. History repeated itself with the final movie, Saw 3D.
  • Creepy Awesome: Jigsaw and his two disciples, Amanda and Mark.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: After a few films, it's hard to care about the protagonists since more often than not, they will die anyway.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Hoffman has quite a large fanbase who see him as undeniably awesome for escaping the Reverse Bear Trap. In fact, many choose to disregard Word of God saying that he dies in the bathroom. Seriously, canon vs. fanon.
  • Epileptic Trees: Mostly regarding the fate of Dr. Gordon. Not that it matters as of Saw 3D.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: The Hoffman fanbase generally ignores Word of God stating that Hoffman dies in the bathroom at the end of 3D.
  • Foe Yay: There was some pretty strong Hoffman/Jill sexual tension at times, especially when he killed all the officers, grabbed her and whispered "How do I look?" while getting closer to her neck.
  • Foe Yay Shipping: A lot, most notably Hoffman/Amanda. They hate each other's guts but that doesn't keep the fans from shipping them.
  • He's Just Hiding: Some fans refuse to believe that Adam is dead and theorize his body in the sequels has been replaced with another one because of a continuity error (his corpse is shown to be chained by his right ankle while in the first movie he was chained by his left).
  • Ho Yay:
    • Believe it or not, it's been suggested between Lawrence and Adam.
    • Hoffman and Strahm!
  • Idiot Plot: Even people who've dealt with Jigsaw in the past turn into idiots when the plot requires it of them.
  • It Was His Sled: At this point, it's impossible to read anything about the series— including this page— without finding out that Jigsaw is John Kramer. (See?) The once-shocking twist is also naturally lost on anybody who watches the films out of order.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Jigsaw and Hoffman.
  • Misaimed Fandom: Some fans think that what Jigsaw does isn't murder because he gives his victims a way out, and that Jigsaw's principle is noble in that those who survive his games will become better people. Perhaps because of this, one of the main themes of Saw III was that Jigsaw's work was ultimately a failure, and that those who survived his games weren't changed at all. (Amanda, for example, had resumed cutting herself, and still had the same psychological issues that she had before Jigsaw 'helped' her...and now, thanks to Jigsaw, she had murder as an outlet for them.)
  • Most Annoying Sound: Right now, you're feeling helpless.
  • Paranoia Fuel: If you have ever done something bad in your life, or are doing it right now, Jigsaw will get you and put you through a terrifying, bloody test that will drain your mental health to a grain of salt. Sweet dreams.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Detective Hoffman.
    • Gibson.
  • Rooting for the Empire: Two cases:
    • First is Jigsaw as the main character of this Villain-Based Franchise who fans started to get behind after awhile ala Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers etc. His status as Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds wins him a lot of sympathy points, and his Affably Evil justifications for the things he does and people he does them to do at times have some merit.
    • Quite a few people are behind Hoffman because of his actions in the 5th and 6th movies painting him as a Badass Magnificent Bastard Determinator who improvises plans on the fly whenever things start going bad for him. Just as many if not more people are happy he got his final comeuppance in the finale.
  • The Scrappy: As the sequel number increases, so do the number of annoying or useless characters. The original Saw is the only one that doesn't have a scrappy in it. It gets rather frustrating when the main character being tested is the scrappy. It gets even more frustrating when scrappies are going to get out of the heap, but end up getting killed.
    • Brent; after the horribly annoying and murderous character from VI. Not even having recently lost his father can make him in any way endearing or likeable, or even understandable.
    • Shelby from the Carousel trap and Simone from the opening trap of VI. Simone gets subtly Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in The Final Chapter, but Shelby? No such luck.
  • Sequelitis: Each fan of the series has his or her own opinion of just where it went off the rails. Some say it was the second film ("Saw never needed a sequel!"), others say it was the fourth ("the third movie finished the trilogy perfectly!"), and others say it was the fifth ("that movie just plain sucked!"). Averted, with the reaction to the sixth film, which many people feel is a return to form for the series. Then played straight, with Saw 3D, which was almost universally panned by fans and critics alike.
  • Squick: Lots of it. Every film in the franchise (following the first) is practically built on it.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: "Hello Zepp" is extremely reminiscent of "Live and Let Die" by Paul McCartney.
  • Tear Jerker: One of the most depressing moments in the franchise is Adam being left to die in the bathroom at the end of the original. Just listen to his increasingly panicked screams over the end credits.
    • His last moments with Gordon. A wounded Lawrence is desperately trying to calm down a hysterical, crying Adam, promising to come back with help. The twist just makes this worse, and seeing Lawrence forget about him to work with Jigsaw in Saw 3D is a straight up punch to the stomach.
    • Amanda was by no means a great person. But her death at the end of Saw III is pretty painful to watch, especially with John reaching out to her with that look of utter grief and sorrow on his face.
  • Wangst: Jeff Denlon.

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