YMMV / Hercules

The Disney film

  • Accidental Aesop: Hercules regularly risks life and limb to save total strangers, gets quite famous for it, and is denied a spot on Mt. Olympus because "being famous doesn't make you a true hero." Sacrificing himself to save a single person whom he's in love with, however, is enough to seal the deal. Neither of these actions were purely selfless, so the moral ends up reading something like "good deeds are negated if you reap lots of attention and money for them" with a side of "love stories count for more."
  • Americans Hate Tingle: While the rest of the world's audiences and critics liked the movie well enough (though, of course, not to the extent of The Lion King and the earlier Renaissance films), the Greeks despised this movie, even denying the film a premiere in Greece. They didn't care much for the many, many liberties taken with their own mythology, even if the rest of the movie was pretty decent. It's kind of similar to how a lot of American historians hated Pocahontas (even though that didn't get banned; it just got slammed with a lot of criticism) while other countries liked it well enough.
  • Audience-Alienating Premise: Disney's take on Greek mythology, featuring designs from the artist responsible for the animated segments of The Wall and a 1960s gospel-style soundtrack.
  • Critical Dissonance:
    • The film is panned as a "flippant failure" in a Disney-authorized book, along with Cult Classics Atlantis: The Lost Empire and Treasure Planet. Conversely, the book praises Pocahontas, which is generally considered the weakest of the Disney Renaissance (but not a bad film), and it praises Chicken Little and Home on the Range, which are generally considered the two absolute worst entries in the canon. And it completely neglects to mention how popular Hades is while praising possibly the least cool/menacing villain in the canon, Governor Ratcliffe!
    • Filmtracks' Chrstian Clemmensen also completely ripped apart the soundtrack, calling it a complete disgrace to Alan Menken's output for Disney.
  • Ear Worm:
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Thalia, the short, fat muse, is pretty much everyone's favorite. Fittingly, Thalia is the Muse of comedy - even in the original myths.
    • In the Disney canon as a whole, Hades has a similar thing as Frollo going on here; he only appears in one movie, and said movie is generally considered to be one of Disney's weaker works (especially compared to the rest of Renaissance), but he's still considered to be the best thing about the movie, and is many people's favorite Disney villain.
  • Evil is Cool: Hades, though anyone with magical powers and the voice of James Woods would be cool. The Titans are also awesome forces of nature; the Stone and Ice Titans appeared as bosses in the Kingdom Hearts series, and fans hope the Lava and Wind Titans will appear someday as well.
  • Family-Unfriendly Aesop: Hercules is told that "being famous isn't the same as being a true hero." Except he got famous by fighting various monsters terrorizing the ancient world. It's only once he almost dies saving Meg that he becomes a "true hero" based on the strength of his heart. Thus the film implies that against a Heroic Sacrifice to save the life of someone you love, fighting evil and saving lives aren't "real" heroic deeds. Combined with Phil, the idea is put forth that conventional heroes that do great feats like this do so out of an inherent selfishness to be rewarded with fame and recognition, which is why they aren't real heroes like Hercules is.
  • Fanon: Meg becoming a goddess and joining Hercules on Mount Olympus is a very popular notion.
  • Genius Bonus:
    • Many, for the Greek mythology buffs in the audience. "Zero to Hero" is full of half-second allusions to Hercules' Labors, famous Greek (and Roman) art, as well as ancient Greek culture.
    • When the kids are stuck under a rock, they shout, "Somebody call IX-I-I!" Technically wrong (Seeing as this is Greek, not Roman) but if you know your numerals, you know they're saying "Call 9-1-1!"
  • Harsher in Hindsight: For those familiar with the Greek Myth:
    • Hercules telling Megara "I would never hurt you".
    • Herc's mentor and friend being called Philoctetes. Yes, the mythological Hercules knew a Philoctetes as well, but he was the one to light Herc's funeral pyre.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • The Hades in this movie is incredibly similar to Kid Icarus: Uprising's Hades, both even having a Credits Gag. It's almost as if Disney predicted another Hades would troll us again.
    • Hades pointing to Pain's Hercules shoes and asking "What are those?"
    • Also, Hades's design being based off of Jeffrey Katzenberg. He returned the favor with Lord Farquaad, whose design was based off Michael Eisner and was voiced by one of the original casting choices for Hades, John Lithgow.
  • Iron Woobie: Throughout the movie, poor Hercules suffers from circumstances that would cause some people to become villains. But he always has a heart even bigger than his muscles and wouldn't hurt a fly... unless they did something to Meg. It's on then.
  • Love It or Hate It: Its either considered a legitimately funny, feel-good musical that serves as a refreshingly light change of pace for Disney films, or a sign of Disney entering a creative rut by trying to replicate the success of Aladdin by heavily Disneyfying Greek Mythology.
  • Love to Hate: Hades. Methodic, calculating, and the epitome of deals with the devil.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Hades has most of the qualifications down (The Chessmaster, Manipulative Bastard, charming and stylish persona), but is only held back from full greatness due to his chronic fiery temper.
  • Memetic Mutation: "JEHCK-OO KHOOKHOO! WHATTYA DOING?! GET YOUR SWORD!" Danny Devito's delivery really sells it.
    • This film version of Zeus is popular for jokes about the real Zeus sex adventures.
    Zeus: I'm going to put my dick on it!
    Everyone: Don't point your dick on it
    Zeus: Too late!!
  • Moral Event Horizon: Hades orders the kidnapping of baby Hercules and planned on killing him by turning him mortal.
  • No Problem with Licensed Games: The PS1 game based on it is quite decent (at least according to JonTron).
    Jontron: '' This game is freaking awesome!
  • Rooting for the Empire: An unfortunate side-effect of making Hades so interesting and funny is that you want him to defeat the more straight-laced and boring heroes.
  • The Scrappy: Phil slides into this, even though he's pivotal to the progression of the plot. Many find him to be annoying at best, and his womanizing tendencies, creepy at worst. Hercules' aspirations are supposed to be the core of the story, but Phil's presence dominates, desiring universal acclaim and recognition for training a legendary hero. Once he's achieved that goal, the film ends.
  • Signature Song: "Zero to Hero".
  • Spiritual Licensee:
    • This could be seen as a cartoon analogue of Clash of the Titans, which had Perseus instead (both heroes are already sons of Zeus in the myths, and both of them get Pegasus unlike the myths, and this actually has the Titans).
    • The part where Herc's foster parents find him up to when he talks with Zeus for the first time is much more like "Superman: The Movie/Smallville in Ancient Greece" than the myths. And Hercules temporarily gives up his superhuman abilities, as in Superman II. All-Star Superman writer Grant Morrison even considers Hercules to be the best Superman movie.
  • Squick: The first time we meet Megara is while she is being sexually assaulted by the enormous centaur, Nessus. This ain't one of your happy, frolicking Fantasia centaurs. This becomes even worse to people familiar enough with Greek mythology to recognize the name Nessus. Nessus was a centaur killed by Hercules who tricked his wife into using Nessus's blood to create a poisoned tunic that caused Hercules to die a horrible, painful death.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Hades doesn't have a Villain Song! He has the perfect personality for an awesome one! For this reason, some fans make pair of videos on YouTube where he sings The Land of The Dead by Voltaire which fits him perfectly. According to the DVD commentary for the first Family Guy episode he starred in, James Woods hates to sing. Additionally, even though he loves playing Hades, Rob Paulsen voiced his verse for the House of Mouse Villain Song "It's Our House Now".
  • Unintentionally Sympathetic: Hades is, thanks to Zeus, stuck ruling the Underworld, which as he notes is "dark, gloomy, and full of dead people," while the other gods get to live on Mount Olympus. Hades is also The Friend Nobody Likes to the other gods; save for Zeus they all want nothing to do with him and the party shuts down the instant he shows up. Not to mention he seems to be much less well-regarded by mortals. No wonder Rooting for the Empire kicks in in this movie.
  • What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs?: Inverted; while the movie doesn't show shades of this, which is rather strange as it is a Disney movie, many people who know Gerald Scarfe's more well known work ask that question.
  • WTH, Casting Agency?: For both Mexican and Latin American viewers, Ricky Martin as the titular Hercules, due to his thick Puerto Rican accent. While the rest of the voice cast was voiced by Mexican voice actors, Ricky Martin's voice really sticks like a sore thumb in the cast. For a better equivalent for English speakers, try to imagine Hercules being voiced by Bob Marley, if he was being alive at the time of the film.note 
  • Win Back the Crowd: Hercules was Disney's attempt to perform this feat. After the Love It or Hate It reaction audiences gave to Disney's previous efforts to appeal to a more mature audience, Hercules was meant to be the return to Lighter and Softer form. The company even promoted a large marketing blitz trumpeting the fact that it was being directed by the same guys who did The Little Mermaid and Aladdin. The final box office total ended up being even weaker than the previous two films.

The animated series

  • Alternate Character Interpretation: Aphrodite turning Galataea into a Yandere - just a result of Herc's poorly thought out request? Or did she deliberately make Galataea as crazy as possible just to teach him a lesson?
  • Base-Breaking Character: Icarus. Some fans see him as a crazily awesome, hilarious and occasionally wise character. Others see him as childish and grating.
  • Counterpart Comparison: Icarus and Cassandra get compared a lot to Screech and Lisa from Saved by the Bell. Hilariously Cassandra of course sees the future, but one episode of SBTB has Screech being able to see the future too.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: In the episode about Prometheus, rather than dancing around the fact that his liver got eaten by an eagle every day, the writers went out of their way to make every possible reference to it. However, the scene where the eagle visibly pulls his liver out, and then they proceed to argue about the eagle seasoning it while he's eating it, takes the cake.
  • Ear Worm:
    • From The Animated Series: How many other goddesses do you know with their own theme song?
      Aphrodite, Aphrodite, APHRODIIIITE~ The Goddess of Love!
    • Also from the TV series, Circe's Villain Song, "One Good Man", is catchy and awesome. Though would you expect any less from Idina Menzel?
    • Yet another from the TV series: At the Bacchanal! It's a nonstop party! The biggest bash that Bacchus has ever thrown!
    • From "Hercules and the Big Show", Helen's song all about how much she admires Hercules for his determination despite his marked lack of grace.
  • Ensemble Darkhorse: Some of the gods in the TV series have gotten a fan following, especially Aphrodite.
  • Genius Bonus: In the myths, Hercules actually did free Prometheus from his punishment. In fact, a lot of the background behind the show is fairly well grounded in ancient Greek myths and history, far more so than the movie and more savvy viewers can get the references and Allohistorical Allusion behind the references.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • Seeing Medusa befriend Hercules can be a bit heartbreaking for viewers who believe Perseus will someday behead her.
    • Circe's song "One Good Man" becomes a lot harder to listen to, considering how Idina Menzel and her husband Taye Diggs separated in 2013.
      • Averted thanks to her marriage with Aaron Lohr, the singing voice of Max in A Goofy Movie.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • Idina Menzel made a guest appearance as Circe, a singing witch. Later, she would go on to play Elphaba, who just so happens to be a singing witch, and Elsa, a magical singing queen accused of sorcery. It's doubly hilarious if you're more familiar with Elsa and Elphaba, two sorceresses who are really misunderstood Woobies - because Circe is a straight up evil sorceress.
    • Hades was very upset over being named after the planet Pluto, he probably was even less amused when he found out that it got demoted to dwarf planet.
  • Most Wonderful Sound: Aphrodite may hate the theme music that plays whenever she appears, but viewers disagree.
  • Unconventional Learning Experience: For all its mangling and bowdlerizing of Greek myths, this cartoon was sufficiently grounded in research on ancient myths and Greek history (moreso than the movie) that viewers, especially international viewers who have no grounding in Western culture, learnt a great deal about Ancient Greece, learning names and stories of Prometheus, Orpheus, Medusa by unpacking references to the Trojan War, and references to Greek City States.

The pinball game


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