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Dec 8th 2022 at 10:55:00 PM •••

What are the rules with who are Nice Guys/Girls and who are Jerks with Hearts of Gold? You're like labelling so many characters who are mostly nice as "Jerks with Hearts of Gold" when you could be labelling them as "Beware the Nice Ones", like Star Butterfly for instance. I'm confused. WHAT ARE THE RULES?

May 14th 2022 at 7:58:40 AM •••

I don't know where to post this but I think an intriguing inverse to Dramatically/Comically Missing the Point is Dramatically Getting the Point. It happens most frequently in comedies but it also occurs in dramas as well. Someone will usually tell an outlandish story but the listener actually is not distracted by the lunacy, action, or any other details to ignore the more pressing point buried underneath all that happens.

Examples: Shrek - Donkey starts flying, most people are marveling that he can fly. The guard, however, recognizes the more important thing that he can talk.

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Apr 20th 2021 at 7:31:33 AM •••

Smallville P.S.A

If someone tells you to skip seasons 1-3 please do not be a follower. Seasons 1-3 are the highest rated for a reason. It's when all 3 main characters are friends, and it build their relationships and the dangers they face. If someone tells you to skip seasons 1-3 it's either because they don't like Lana, Lex, their friendships with Clark and are trying to make you not like them as well. They also may really like with Chloe, who is pining after Clark in season 1, but tries to find out Clark's secret in 2, and teams up with Lionel Luthor in 3. Please don't let their biases stop you from enjoying the highest rated seasons.

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Sep 2nd 2021 at 2:35:23 PM •••

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Dec 19th 2020 at 6:45:31 AM •••

Is there any character in any work (that you know of) who does not follow some trope?

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Apr 20th 2021 at 10:15:43 AM •••

No, Clark is a hero archetype, Lana is either Girl Next Door, then Dark is not Evil (because going after a bad guy or believing the aliens are coming isn't monstrous), and finally Aloof Dark-Haired Girl, Lex is Face-Heel Turn or Good Guy goes Bad, Chloe is computer nerd or geek girl. Lois starts out as a Party Girl then later is Action Girl and Office Romance.

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Apr 20th 2021 at 10:16:26 AM •••

Um, in any work I'm not sure. It would have to be a story that is more plot driven then character driven.

Jul 19th 2020 at 7:18:15 PM •••

do we have a name for that situation in every courthouse episode/scene where people meet in the bathroom and have a awkward moment, trade suspicious eyes and throw subtle shade?

Jul 22nd 2019 at 8:29:59 AM •••

I am working on an English project and need help finding tropes in music videos. Who could help me. The music video I need to find the tropes for is Joyner Lucas I'm Sorry.

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Jul 22nd 2019 at 8:55:36 AM •••

You need tropes for that music video? Not sure how many tropes do you need, but here's my attempt at three (the characters' names are unknown, so I just use adjectives):

  • Driven to Suicide: The dead man commits suicide in "I'm Sorry" about two minutes in presumably because he's depressed and bullied.
  • Kids Are Cruel: The dead man in "I'm Sorry" admits he was sick of being bullied since being 9.
  • Man Hug: The mourning man and the big man share a hug in "I'm Sorry".

Oct 4th 2018 at 3:06:05 PM •••

For the list of all the tropes, the numbers are missing........WHY? If the list is in alaphabetical order,it should go, # A B C D etc.

Sep 7th 2018 at 4:13:24 AM •••

I think the Graphical tropes index should be with the main indexes (or at least other indexes), because presentation is an important part of a work. Thoughts?

Apr 9th 2018 at 8:14:49 PM •••

Is there a trope for:

" Don't tell me how to live my life, Dad!" or "Umm ... getting too specific, you're losing us"

Example: Bob's Burgers: The Belchies:

Jimmy Pesto dances Dirty Dancing and at the climax screams out "Don't tell me not to dance, DAD!!"

I know I've heard "Don't tell me not/how to ___, Parent/Guardian"

I also know that there's instances of getting an audience and getting them riled up but then seemingly going on a tangent when people finally start listening and WHOSLAUGHINGNOWMOMM!!


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Feb 19th 2018 at 9:07:59 PM •••

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Aug 14th 2017 at 5:37:45 PM •••

Question to anyone out there. Could someone consider Beowulf to be a "Marty Stu", without being self-insert fan fiction? Because he's literally perfect in every single possible way, having almost no flaws whatsoever. Then he dies in a heroic manner at the end of the Saga, killing the dragon that hoarded gold, giving the spoils away to the common-folk of the Geat kingdom.

Jul 6th 2017 at 5:22:46 PM •••

Hey guys I was just wondering if anyone remembers that old cartoon animated kids tv show that used to come on later at night I think it was about ants and they could talk and stuff and one ant was the head any had this screen and I think they went out to help kids , please help me if u know I really need to know the answer I've searched ages and ages and can't find anything

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Oct 23rd 2016 at 10:12:38 AM •••

Why do flashbacks need an in-story explanation in Western/American Stories but not in Japanese?

In The Force Awakens, Rey finds a lightsabers that triggers a flashback. However, if you watch Naruto/One Piece or most animes that flashbacks are part of HOW the story is told and do not need a justification for existing in the story.

May 10th 2016 at 4:49:18 PM •••

What and where is the first trope posted on this website?

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May 9th 2016 at 3:02:50 PM •••

New Phrases & Tropes


Is this the guy who they're pitting me up against?

Of course you know this means war!

Due to the...

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Sep 1st 2019 at 12:49:20 PM •••

If you want to create these tropes go over to the Trope Launch Pad.

Sep 12th 2015 at 9:06:24 AM •••

Every folder except "other categories" has it's own index page, there should just be links to them instead of the redundant folders which are missing quite a lot of the tropes present on their respective subpages. All that would be needed is to go through and move anything here that's missing from the sub-indexes.

EDIT: Also, looking over the discussions below, maybe this should be renamed to "Trope Indexes" or something similar to avoid confusion with the Trope page and it's info that is useful for people new to the site.

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Feb 3rd 2016 at 12:48:04 PM •••

Went ahead and removed redundant index lists and folders.

Mar 2nd 2014 at 6:59:05 PM •••

I believe that I Have No Son! should be split into separate tropes, because there are a lot of examples with "I Have No Father" or "I Have No Brother" out there.

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Mar 3rd 2014 at 1:26:07 AM •••

I don't think that would be a good reason. Also, the Trope Repair Shop deals with such action.

Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:21:06 AM •••

Under which trope? Also, Ask The Tropers is a better venue than this discussion tab - this one deals with the page Tropes specifically, while Ask The Tropers is for general questions.

Dec 30th 2013 at 9:53:30 AM •••

Is there a name for the trope when the character is both a Jerkass and an idiot? Homer Simpson is an example because he's both mean and stupid.

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Jun 19th 2013 at 7:40:52 AM •••

This may sound crazy, but can we disambiguate the You Gotta Have Blue Hair trope? It always pisses me off when someone uses it to describe Pink Hair.

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Nov 24th 2012 at 10:26:13 PM •••

"(though some have banned it; one of the more recent bannings being Connecticut 's )"

^^ What does this have to do with the definition of the trope?

Oct 18th 2012 at 8:32:09 PM •••

Question: I was looking at the boss battle pages and wanted to know where to put a really hard boss I found - the issue is that he's A) the final boss of a raid, B) the raid is a new raid and therefore he's not a "wake up call".

The boss is 16 MAN HARD MODE "The Terror from Beyond" in SWTOR. Interestingly enough, on 8 man he would not work for the "that one boss" as the fight is only really really tough on 16 man. Details: out of 500,000 players only 4 guilds have beat him on HM 16 man.

Edit: While he is a bit of a giant (flea) creature, his Operation is named after him so he's not that much of a surprise.

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Jun 29th 2012 at 6:54:29 PM •••

Should "Whatever Happened to the Mouse" be added for Penny Arcade Rain Slicked Precipice of Darkness Episode 3 involving the Player Protagonist. Or does the third game adequately explain what happened to the character. Or is Put on the Bus the same thing as whatever happened to the mouse

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Jun 9th 2015 at 10:20:20 PM •••

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Jan 3rd 2012 at 8:42:18 PM •••

Question: About how many tropes are there, total? My guess would be >300, but one can never be sure. Can't count it myself because i'd easily lose count, and my attention span is eratic... and also reading the tropes themselves would be too tempting.

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Apr 3rd 2012 at 1:13:56 AM •••

Umm...thousands if not tens of thousands, at a guess. On one page it's noted that it's physically impossible for any one man or woman to actually read the entirety of TV Tropes in one lifetime (same goes for Wikipedia).

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Apr 3rd 2012 at 1:18:58 AM •••

Counting them all isn't made any easier by the fact that defining a "trope" is always somewhat subjective.

Sep 23rd 2011 at 1:33:27 PM •••

One idea I've been thinking of as a possible new trope.

In Mes en Scene a setting can be a character in it's own right just as important as the characters. If we can accept it we can consider the real city or town could be an actor unto itself that plays an imaginary setting.

I got the idea after reading someone pointing out all of the mistakes the producers made about Seattle and Tacoma in Ten Things I Hate About You when in reality Tacoma and Seattle play the imaginary Northwestern City after all the way they pan the camera the high school (played by a school in Tacoma) is on the top of Queen Anne Hill in Seattle.

Other examples I would give for what I'm trying to get at is how Habyfield in Derbyshire plays Royston Vasey in League of Gentleman, Rosalyn Washington plays Cicily Alaska in Northern Exposure and Portmeirion in Wales plays the Village in The Prisoner.


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Sep 5th 2010 at 4:00:13 PM •••

How do I create a new trope here? Cause I can think of one that applies to several things I seen...

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Nov 25th 2010 at 6:22:33 PM •••

If it's a Trope try Lost and Found to check we don't already have it, though if you don't get a reply there after a few days then ask in the Trope Talk part of the forum. If we don't have it then start a YKTTW for it.

Aug 17th 2010 at 8:56:23 PM •••

I'd like to suggest indexing a new term "Phantom Penis." (I've also heard it called glass, ghost, or invisible penis.) A phantom penis is usually seen in hentai. This is where the penis is not drawn yet penetration is fully shown. The word penis is also censored while references to other genitalia is still allowed.

The most prominent game I've seen to do this is Tottemo Pheremone.

WARNING: Example images are graphic. NSFW!

One of the things about phantom penis is that it's subjective at times too. The penis can be visible so long as it isn't obstructing view of the vagina or anus. So it isn't a censorship method, but stylistic choice.

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Jul 3rd 2010 at 2:13:16 PM •••

There's something peculiar in Babylon 5 that happens several times. I tried to find it in those numerous tropes but couldn't. I wonder if you guys have a name for this "manouver". :)

On several occasions, the show cheats about perfect speech or a set of words with extraordinary results. However, we never get to hear these speeches and words. It feels like cheating. :)


1. In Coming of Shadows, Refa has had a group of linguistic specialists working on a speech for weeks. He claims it's perfect. Londo is supposed to present it but due to turn of events, he never gets a chance.

2. In Geometry of Shadows, Technomage Elric claims that they know "Fourteen words to make someone fall in love with you forever, seven words to make them go without pain." He never reveals those words.

3. In Paragon of Animals, we hear this really touching and heart-warming Declaration of Principles for the new Alliance, written by G'kar, and they really make a big deal out of it. However, at the end of the episodes, G'kar presents Sheridan a new version, saying that he had improved it. Sheridan takes one very short glance at it and utters in amazement: "It IS better." We never get to hear the new version.

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Jul 3rd 2010 at 3:47:38 PM •••

The proper forum for this for future reference is Lost And Found. However, while we do not exactly have it for speeches, Missed Moment of Awesome covers this and you'll find a couple of other speech examples on there too. You may be able to launch this one if you take it to YKTTW.

Oct 8th 2011 at 4:09:50 PM •••

I don't know it qualifies as a trope, but this concept is also found in the "Chronicles of Narnia", "The Magician's Nephew". Queen Jadis is said to undergo great sacrifice to learn the Deplorable Word, which would give her complete victory at the cost of EVERY OTHER LIVING THING ON THE PLANET. She had no problem with this.

Apparently she said this word to open a big gate on her homeworld, but it had minimal effect on Earth. I suspect this is because magic was so uncommon the effect was generally lost- like an electrical shock inside non-conductive material, I suppose.

Jun 27th 2010 at 7:55:48 PM •••

Hello there, TV Tropes. I was wondering if anyone agrees that Zombie Panic in Wonderland (For Wiiware) deserves its own Tropes page? I can accredit quite a few tropes with it, but since I'm new here, I'm not sure I know how to start a new page altogether. And, this game simply Needs More Love. So, any advice or help would be wonderful.

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Jun 29th 2010 at 1:53:19 PM •••

The simplest way would be to go to any trope page and, in your browser's address box, replace the trope name (after the "Main/") with ZombiePanicInWonderland, go to that page (which, since it doesn't exist, will automatically be created) and edit away. Or, of course, you could click the redlink I created for you in typing this reply. :)

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Apr 22nd 2012 at 9:07:08 AM •••

Just sprinkle your Wiki Magic and all your dreams will come true. Trope away, comrade. Trope away.

Apr 13th 2010 at 10:21:30 PM •••

Over the past few weeks, I've had the persistent problem with this site (in the latest Firefox) that pages using non-ANSI characters such as em-dash (a very common character with a code somewhere in the 8000s) display garbage instead of the character. This seems to have been caused by a change in the page template, such that the header declares the wrong encoding (ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8). Forcing FF to ignore the encoding used in the Content-Type, and use UTF-8, fixes the problem; but it's tedious to have to do this for every page load, so could we please have a server-side fix?

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Jun 10th 2010 at 6:39:22 AM •••

Is this severe and persistent problem ever going to be dealt with? As far as I can see, all it needs is a simple correction to the Content-Type declaration, from "iso-8859-1" to "utf-8"...

Mar 14th 2010 at 11:17:26 AM •••

I suggest indexing "Test of true love" as a trope. It's an ancient Western trope that poses to a character the test-question: "If your lover were physically repulsive to you, would you love him/her anyhow?" A love that passes this test is essentially spiritual rather than carnal, and remains "pure" or "innocent" despite erotic indulgence.

Traditionally, this test was posed by means of a magical enchantment that makes someone physically repulsive (as in the fairy-tale, "The Frog Prince" and "Beauty and the Beast," or in Chaucer's "Wife of Bath's Tale"); that enchantment is lifted as a reward for passing the test.

However, in modern variations, this test has been posed by more realistic means, e.g., by cross-dressing: for example, in Young Americans a straight guy falls for a cross-dressing girl despite believing her to be a guy, and is rewarded by her revelation of her true gender.

This trope seems to have distinctively Western cultural premises, including mind-body dualism that makes it good to love someone for his or her soul but bad to love someone for his or her body. It seeks a loophole in the Christian view that sex is sinful; it seeks a return to Eden, in which sex was innocent. It would be interesting to learn whether, and to what extent, this trope may occur in Asia. If it is truly alien to Asian cultures, then Asians are unlikely to recognize it without help, so all the more reason to index it as a trope.

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Mar 21st 2010 at 9:04:17 AM •••

Take it to YKTTW, that is the place for proposing new tropes. Also, check Lost And Found to see if we already have it.

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