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A troper by the name of Overlordwarner, despite a very obvious and detailed percentage-flanked troper note saying that all South Park Complete Monster entries must be presented in the thread, re-added multiple Complete Monster entries to the South Park. I already deleted them, but would like to make sure this doesn't become an Edit War. He did not visit the thread to present these, either.
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An issue over at Avengers Arena: There's a entry for Flanderization that user Majin Gojira keeps reposting, after I and two users deleted it. The reasoning for the example seems flimsy to me, and I've seen his other edits and it's clear he has a problem (much like a lot of other users) with the series, as it is a Base Breaker. The entry itself:
- Flanderization: Two so far:
- The opening of #1 has Hazmat state that she's always been an angry person when it was her condition that has been the source of her anger and emotional problems since her introduction.
- Mettle sole defining character trait in this book becomes "loves Hazmat". The morality and fears he had are dropped or reversed in some cases.
So am I being nitpicky or is there a problem here?
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So while YKTTW-ing Ominous Message from the Future, someone pointed out to me that it's an inversion of Fling a Light into the Future, and sure enough, some of the inversions actually did fit the new trope.
So question: Would I just keep the examples in both places, or would I delete them from FALITF?
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Okay, Can't Catch Up is mostly a combat-related trope, which is understandable. However, can that section also be used for non-combat purposes? For instance, if someone is pushed to be a great artist because their friend is an artist, but no matter what they may try, their work is perceived to be inferior, whether true or not (and this is usually where the friend tells them their artwork isn't what matters, but its the fun they had together, or the person grows cynical and comes to hate art because of it).
I've seen this in a few anime shows, so would like to add non-combat related examples to it, but I want to make sure it's okay before someone deletes it because they feel it's not appropriate.
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I'm only looking at one part of one subpage, but any rule breaking (or just factually questionable) stuff on Dethroning Moment of Suck as a whole is just unsalvageable for any efforts, right?
Edited by OldManHoOhopenNo Title
I've noticed some consistent problems with Connor Bible (recently mentioned their edits under my previous Handle). They consistently will exaggerate the bad qualities of Abusive Parents (or even mildly demanding parents), and in several cases, like for The Breakfast Club and related pages for the film, have added bad Complete Monster examples. They've also been frequently problematic for Juno. Most recently, they added yet another bad complete monster entry for Malcolm in the Middle.
I'm not sure if it is as problematic, but they also have a habit of adding Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy (sometimes as a bluelink) to works they edit.
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For Spartacus Blood And Sand I'm a bit confused as to when Tropes are filed under General Tropes or under the specific Arc folders. Do we add/move tropes to General Tropes from the moment they appear in more than one Arc? Or only if they appear in all? For instance, some (but not all) Battle Couples feature in multiple arcs, as do the examples of Unholy Matrimony and Condemned Contestant I'd like to add.
If I need to list them under all the specific Arc where they apply, do I relist the examples that happened in previous Arcs and still apply? Or only add new examples?
(I hope this is the right place to ask, if not, apologies)
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Tropers/Lacey added John Bates as a Canon Sue on the Downton Abbey page. I removed it, explained why he's not one, and took it to discussion. They proceeded to restate their original reasons for Bates being a Sue - all of which I countered, which they ignored - and then informed me that they were re-adding it. I've no intention of getting into an Edit War over this, and I'd appreciate a third party getting involved, preferably a mod. If they tell me to let the example stand, I'll happily abide by that decision, but right now this looks like a one-troper crusade against a character they don't like, and I don't think YMMV is for that sort of thing.
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A sentence (or clause) appears to be missing in the YMMV banner. Here's the current text:
- These are what we call the 'YMMV items.' Things that some people find in this work. We call them 'your mileage might vary' because not everyone sees these things in the same way. This starts discussions in the trope lists, a thing we don't want. Please use the discussion page if you'd like to discuss any of these items.
It sounds like there's a warning/instruction implied between the third and fourth sentence:
- We call them 'your mileage might vary' because not everyone sees these things in the same way. [Please don't add responses or disagreements with YMMV tropes.] This starts discussions in the trope lists, a thing we don't want.
It seems like a warning against Natter in YMMV — something I actually had to do a little digging to find.
If not, it's unclear what the pronoun "this" refers to in "this starts discussions;" as written, it reads as if "this" refers to YMMV pages themselves, which makes little sense in context.
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I'm trying to figure out if a particular scene happened in both film and comic versions of V for Vendetta. I own the movie but not the comic.
The scene in question is the part where Finch learns about the Larkhill facility by digging through the tax records from the era. We know it happened in the movie, but was it in the book?
Cave Cat is splitting tropes into media subpages, but they're making no changes to the page types, so the new subpages are all untyped and unindexed.
After fixing a very large number of such pages, I PM'd Cave Cat about a month ago explaining how page types work and asking them to please change page types when splitting tropes, but they still aren't doing it.
It's nice of Cave Cat to split pages that are getting too large, but I'm really tired of cleaning up afterwards.
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