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Yeah. I think we need both examples re-written.

Re: Naruto fanfic:

Done. I did outright remove the first level 2 and 3 subbullets as I do not know how to work them into the first example. I did fix the indentation as well.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 30th 2022 at 10:19:19 AM

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I suggest cutting down all the non-important parts, or trying to condense it all to just a few sentences.

There's this Natter on DrinkingGame.Avatar The Last Airbender.

• Take a chug whenever a ship gets wrecked.
  • What kind of ship?
    • Players' choice.

...Alright this is Actually Pretty Funny but it's still Natter none the less.

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.

It could be reworked to a parenthetical maybe? Drinking games are JFF so a tiny bit of goofiness is allowed.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

So, like this maybe?

• Take a chug whenever a ship gets wrecked (the type of ship is the player's choice).

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.

The problem is that I have never heard of the work before seeing that page. So, I have no idea what's relevant and what isn't. Being a Wall of Text does not help.

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This example on Star Trek: Destiny is both very long and reads like a conversation, complete with justifying edits:

• What the Hell, Hero?: La Forge gives Captain Picard a speech of this kind for planning to annihilate the Borg with a Weapon of Mass Destruction rather than considering Hernandez's approach. Indeed, a Weapon of Mass Destruction that Picard has always condemned, which if used would have the Klingons and Romulans up in arms (quite justifiably) and which Picard's crew and friends fought - in some cases to the death - to prevent being used elsewhere. Most importantly, Picard's approach wouldn't have worked anyway. He had totally given up, and was fixated on a "go down shooting!" apocalyptic mindset whereas Hernandez, Dax and Riker were legitimately trying to put a stop to the destruction.
  • La Forge is also suddenly arguing for alternatives to killing the Borg despite showing no such concerns earlier in the novels when the Enterprise was one-shotting Borg cubes with transphasic torpedoes. It's clear that his real objection is to the method, not the act itself, and would be cheerfully complicit in the annihilation of the Borg if it could be done by conventional means. He also alternates between arguing that it won't work, and that it will have negative political consequences. If it came to using thalaron weapons, and they didn't work, there wouldn't be any political consequences because everyone would be dead or Borg. Furthermore Picard isn't even planning to use them unless the Caeliar fail and the Borg resume their genocidal attack. If it came to using the thalaron weapons, and they did work, it's doubtful anyone would agree that the political fallout was somehow worse than the total annihilation of all life by the Borg. The entire scene only works because the author and audience already know that the peaceful solution will work because it's Star Trek.
    • Though, it should be noted, La Forge's What the Hell, Hero? speech comes after Riker makes a more diplomatic attempt at one - at this point in the Borg invasion, any plan they come up with qualifies as being based in desperation and is a longshot, there's just as little - or just as much - chance of the thalaron weapon working as Hernandez's plan, but when Picard learns that the Enterprise is the only ship in a condition to enact the plan, he immediately vetoes it without consideration. Riker argues that Picard has abandoned hope, crossed his Despair Event Horizon, and is just looking to take as many Borg down as he goes, rather than actually fighting to survive, a point that even Beverly, who Picard is now married to, had also softballed an attempt at making. Ultimately, it comes across as much that the author and audience know they're in a Star Trek story as La Forge's speech being the straw that breaks the camel's back (or the phaser rifle that breaks the little model Enterprises on the wall.)

Condense it to just a few sentences and cut out the bits that seem "conversational".

Bringing this up from Cowboy BeBop at His Computer. It also is pretty complainy.

• The Canadian TV provider Bell ExpressVu used to describe The Venture Brothers as, "Two teens live as though it is the 1960s even though they are 21st century teens!" The only good thing about this description is that the awkwardness of the sentence structure distracts you from the head-scratching description.
  • That's probably because "If Arthur Schopenhauer had written Jonny Quest" wouldn't make sense to most of the viewing public.

We can remove the subbullet and replace the last sentence explaining why that description is inaccurate.

For the latter, we may need help from someone better versed into the series.

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I agree. Maybe we should get someone who's a fan of the series to help out.

Bringing this up from What Were They Selling Again?:

• A commercial that took the proverb about "herding cats" to a literal level, by featuring a group of cowboys herding cats across a classic Western landscape, commenting on the hazards of the job, and noting how proud it made them when they did their job well. It was funny, well-acted and directed, with great effects to make you think you were looking at "ten thousand shorthairs". They even apparently got several cats to swim across a narrow river. The narrator says, at the end, "This is kind of like what we do..." Who remembers who "we" are or what it is "we" do? (It's an ad for EDS, the computer/consulting company founded by Ross Perot.)
  • They did it thrice, actually. Here's "Running of the Squirrels", and their third commercial.
  • They're business consultants, or something along those lines. They aren't advertising on the Super Bowl to get viewers to use their services — their customers are corporations. No, they're advertising on the Super Bowl so they can say in their ads to their intended demographic that they can afford to advertise on the Super Bowl.
  • Most of the dot-com ads during that Super Bowl, Super Bowl XXXIV in 2000, are remembered for being this, such as the E-Trade, Web MD, and Pets.com ads. Most others tried to subvert it by quickly explaining their company in a voiceover or text, but that Super Bowl, as well as the entire Dot-Com Bubble is associated with this trope.

The first and second subbullets can be cut, imo (or integrated into the main bullet). The third probably needs to be broken up into individual examples under the heading of the 2000 super bowl

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Bringing this up from Subculture of the Week:

• UK series The Bill featured a guy playing an "Assassins"-style game using a realistic-looking paint gun in public. People who play these sort of games do not use realistic weapons. One guy from the Oxford University Assassin's Guild did that and encountered some armed police.
  • The 'armed police' problem also happened with Glasgow's Assassin's Guild.
  • Humans Vs Zombies players have had basically the same problem.
  • All this has led to something called Deathgame, practiced in Sweden, where you "kill" your opponent(s) with fruits and vegetables.
  • The problems this can cause mean that most long-lasting Assassins Societies, such as Durham University's, have good relationships with the local police - normally informing before any game begins. The kill methods are also restricted to obviously unreal weapons (paper knives are fine, but not a LARP sword).

Love You and Everybody has this (Video game folder) :

• Played straight in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 when Nia confesses her love to Rex after revealing herself as a Blade. She fully expects to be shot down, since Rex's attraction to Pyra is obvious. Rex responds with "Nia, I love you too!" causing her to be visibly shocked. He then follows it up with "I love you, and all you guys!" causing her to laugh and admit that was exactly what she'd expected him to say.
  • That said, when Rex later has a Battle in the Center of the Mind, he's confronted by an angry Nia who resents his Single-Target Sexuality for Pyra. As this is a manifestation of Rex's doubts, it's heavily implied that he actually did understand what she was saying, and was just trying not to hurt her feelings.
    • And at the end of the day the trope ends up subverted in Xenoblade Chronicles 3 as Rex did go on to marry and impregnate Nia alongside Pyra and Mythra afterwards.

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(Disregarding your signature since it's already in the post): the last bullet should be cut just for being speculative, IMO, and actually the second kind of is too - I interpreted that as more of a subconscious thing. TBH I don't know how to rewrite it, though, since I'm kind of tired of messing with Playing with a Trope.

Cut any speculative bits and condense the remaining parts into one sentence with no conversational writing.

WolverinePublicity.Film has this entry:

• The Peanuts Movie suffered this in some countries, tackling Snoopy and Charlie Brown's names in the beginning of the title, easily the two most popular characters. While Charlie Brown is easily the lead character in the film, Snoopy suffers from this (possibly as a whole for the franchise), being a supporting character at best.
  • It's not so much that the advertising is wrong as rather that the strip is literally not called "Peanuts" in some foreign markets where it exists.

I'm on the fence about the entry and its sub-bullet: should we add the point of the sub-bullet to the main entry, or cut them both?

Add the point of the sub-bullet to the main entry

Bringing this up from Subculture of the Week:

• UK series The Bill featured a guy playing an "Assassins"-style game using a realistic-looking paint gun in public. People who play these sort of games do not use realistic weapons. One guy from the Oxford University Assassin's Guild did that and encountered some armed police.
  • The 'armed police' problem also happened with Glasgow's Assassin's Guild.
  • Humans Vs Zombies players have had basically the same problem.
  • All this has led to something called Deathgame, practiced in Sweden, where you "kill" your opponent(s) with fruits and vegetables.
  • The problems this can cause mean that most long-lasting Assassins Societies, such as Durham University's, have good relationships with the local police - normally informing before any game begins. The kill methods are also restricted to obviously unreal weapons (paper knives are fine, but not a LARP sword).

Bringing this up from What Were They Selling Again?:

• A case of literally being distracted by the shiny — there's a TV ad where animated pipe robots walk around in their city, and it's an ad for some medicine that fixes your "pipes".
  • The product in question is called vesicare and the product helps with bladder leakage.

Honestly I remember that commercial and it's not even an example. They're pretty clear about what the medicine is for. It's a relic of when the trope was the more confusing "Distracted By the Shiny."

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

So, cut it all then?

Edited by DongwaChan on Aug 21st 2022 at 5:38:09 AM