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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Ok, ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
to Vlad.
to Vlad Masters/Vlad Plasmius.
The Unknown Unknown
All right, that might be why I had reservations. Definite "no" then.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Vlad
Please put the Vanellope writeup in the drafts
Lizzid people!
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yes to Deth and Tennyson. Cut Isaka,. No to Crumb and a very hard no to Vlad. I love that show and he most certainly doesn't count.
Edited by Bullman on Sep 12th 2020 at 10:10:59 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Showtime!
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
I think the Vanellope writeup could be trimmed further. Here is my attempt:
- Wreck-It Ralph 2: Princess Vanellope von Schweetz is the ruler of Sugar Rush II: Whirled Tour and the evil Alternate Self of the original Vanellope. Desiring to be the only game in her arcade, Princess Vanellope painfully ripped out 56 other characters' power ups with her scepter, resulting in their arcade shutting down and Sugar Rush II getting sold to Bernie. Pretending to befriend the Vanellope of Sugar Rush, she captures and repeats the scepter process with her. Strangling Candlehead to get the other racers to do as she says, she later invades and attacks Sugar Rush to get her scepter back, fully willing to kill all the Sugar Rush racers and even sacrifice her own subjects when they turn on her. Blaming everything on Vanellope, she drives them both to the cord to throw her out and kill her.
I cut out the extraneous stuff and focused on the primary evil acts.
Also, to Crumb and Vlad.
Edited by MasterN on Sep 12th 2020 at 8:35:26 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
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I've put an edited version of this writeup on Complete Monster Drafts. If Imperial Majesty XO creates another one, please replace mine with his.
...Huh. I brought that up about Isaka when I proposed the Jewel Dopant a year ago, and people didn't seem to think it was a big deal and he could keep since he died right after that scene and they never developed further on it. I'm not trying to be aggressive or confrontational or anything; just find it kinda weird how the opinion just flipped in a relatively small window of time.
Cut Isaka though.
Edited by finalsurvivor1 on Sep 12th 2020 at 12:01:22 PM
I like it, Master N. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
the Princess Vanellope Writeup. Don't know if writeups can be put to a vote but I give it a regardless
Edited by M1st3rSt3v3 on Sep 12th 2020 at 12:21:00 PM
I gotta say to Vlad. He just doesn’t seem to fit this. Aside from being comedic, he seems to have the Luthor syndrome too.
Also, that he does show compassion too (and not just in alternate timelines).
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 12th 2020 at 10:48:19 AM
to Vlad. Good first EP, though.
Alright, since I just watched the movie to verify this dude on MB, I'm gonna suggest we cut this from Sherlock Holmes (1932):
- Complete Monster: Professor James Moriarty, following a decade of rivalry with Sherlock Holmes as a criminal mastermind, upon being sentenced to death congratulates his opponents for catching him before promising to ensure they will die first. Killing two guards whilst breaking out, Moriarty murders his prosecutor Mr. Erskine leaving his body hanging for Holmes to find. Building a gang from the most notorious foreign criminals and killers, Moriarty sets up Holmes to kill Colonel Gore-King of Scotland Yard, so he'll be sent to the gallows. Believing he's succeeded, Moriarty has his gang whip London into chaos, blowing up and shooting up businesses to distract the police from his real plan to rob the Faulkner Bank. To ensure their getaway Moriarty also kidnaps Alice Faulkner and Billy. Even when defeated, Moriarty attempts one final attempt to kill Sherlock Holmes.
The big thing? The racketeering gets one scene where it's played completely for laughs: it goes from Moriarty's American gangster lackey trying to intimidate the English pub owner and him not understanding the gangster's slang. Even after the gangster comes back to shoot the place up, the joke continues, with the pub owner and his friend getting slapstick bandages put on them to argue about whether one of them finished his beer or not, not traumatized at all by being shot at.
This leaves Moriarty's crimes as: killing his first target for his arrest, trying to frame Holmes and getting Gore-King killed along the way and kidnapping Alice and Billy. On that kidnapping note? It's seriously mellow. He makes Mr. Faulkner comply with him while he robs him by threatening to hurt Alice but that's it. Even when Holmes comes to confront Moriarty the worst he does is smack Billy on the head... no using anyone as a human shield or pointing a gun at anyone but Holmes.
All in all, I think he's too light, even for 1932.
Edit: oh right and the two guards I forgot about... still, I think he's measuring up quite short.
Edited by 43110 on Sep 12th 2020 at 2:09:48 PM
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Based on that scene, I'd agree that the racketeering is Played for Laughs a little too heavily for comfort. to Professor James Moriarty.
to Vlad. He's a very complex villain to begin with. Not to mention that even in The Ultimate Enemy, he's not entirely bereft of everything that resembles sympathetic moments.
And I thought Isaka was already effed up to begin with... Sure, he's already a crazy serial killer who killed the Secondary Rider's family and ends up being an Asshole Victim to Accel Trial's finisher. It doesn't help that both Terui and Isaka were pawns to Shroud's plans to get back on Ryubee.
Like everyone else, I'll decide with cut on Isaka.
Cut Moriarty
What is the "Luthor syndrome?"
Goku Black
Wait Vlad. No absolutely not their.
The dude has a really large number of really goofy moments, shows some genuine redeeming qualities in ultimate enemy and well he's really not heinous enough. Hes pretty standard for the show. No worse then the norm.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Cut Isaka, cut Moriarty.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
43: I'm not sure I agree with you on the entire racketeering scene being played for laughs. That bit you described most certainly is (as I mentioned in the effort post) but in the brief sequence we see, we also see Moriarty's men shooting up and blowing up several other buildings in the process.
Likewise the descriptions we're given afterwards describe London being thrown into chaos.
Still I understand if you don't feel its enough.
Depotholing and trimming Decker.
- Nightbreed: Dr. Philip Decker is far more evil than any of the actual monsters in the film are. He masquerades as a renowned psychologist, but is actually a masked, bayonet-wielding serial killer who butchers families (including the children), women he comes across, and anyone else he can get his hands on. He sees himself as a Death-like figure on a mission to stop the continuation of mankind. After Decker’s psychiatric patient Aaron Boone tells him his dreams of the Nightbreed civilization, he frames Aaron for his crimes and gets Aaron killed by the police. When he learns of Aaron's resurrection and the existence of the Tribes of the Moon, he tries to exterminate the civilization of magical creatures as the ultimate extension of his mission to cleanse the world.
Also, a quote:
Also cut Moriarty.
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Sep 13th 2020 at 4:06:55 AM
I must have missed that episode, but if that entry isn't misrepresenting anything, then yeah, that's an absolute disqualifying factor.
Edited by Awesomekid42 on Sep 12th 2020 at 10:30:09 AM