During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Showtime!
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to Calix and Marder
And a yes to Calix and Marder. I may give the V-Wars comic a look as it's on Comixology
Gentle Laborer
@G General May is gone, suffered a Boom Head Shot at the hands of Senator Smythe. Is Smythe making a scapegoat? Is he complicit in Calix's leadership? We'll see, he's a promising candidate. And a to your candidate.
@Mir I'm guessing OG!Calix is from the graphic novels, actually. The comics came after the original series.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Dec 19th 2019 at 1:30:09 PM
to Flagg, Calix and Marder
The Draftsman of Doom
It looks like my Night Huntress effortpost is ready early. Here's a Halloween related effortpost just in time for December.
What is the work?
One Grave at a Time is the sixth installment in the Night Huntress series.
Cat and Bones are pitted against a spectral serial killer who subjects women to horrible torment before burning them alive every All Hallow's Eve. The killer is none other than the notorious witch hunter, Inquisitor Heinrich Kramer, the author of the Malleus Maleficarum.
Who is Inquisitor Heinrich Kramer, and what has he done?
Inquisitor Heinrich Kramer is the religious zealot turned malevolent spirit who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum, a treatise on witchcraft which motivated centuries of witch hunts. A dyed in the wool misogynist in life, Kramer had raped numerous women, then burned them at the stake for allegedly practicing witchcraft. After dying and transforming into a ghost, Kramer had tormented anyone who sensed his presence, provoking them into killing themselves. Upon achieving the ability to become tangible on All Hallow's Eve, Kramer seeks out an accomplice, has the pets of his prospective victims murdered, then rapes and burns his victims before murdering his accomplice. When he is summoned by a medium named Tyler on behalf of Cat and Bones, Kramer attacks the group, proceeding to stalk and harass Cat multiple times. During one of the confrontations where Cat, Bones, and their allies try to stop Kramer, he murders a large number of paranormal division personnel before escaping. Intending to make Cat his next victim, he captures two other women and forces Cat to allow him to capture her in order for a chance to free his other victims, a promise he has no intention of keeping. Kramer attempts to force himself on Cat before unsuccessfully setting her on fire, only to be captured and sealed away.
Heinousness?
If you have read any of the previous effortposts I have done regarding this series, or read the series itself you have probably memorized what I am about to say: this series is no stranger to violence. The heroes themselves are pretty ruthless, and the following is a selection of the worst they have had to deal with.
- A vampire involved in Human Trafficking as well as the politician in league with him (Hennessey and Governor Ethan Oliver).
- A demon who possesses people and forces them to commit murder, and has repeated the process over thousands of years (Xaphan)
- A Ghoul cult leader who tries to start wars between species (Apollyon)
- A demon king who consumes souls (Dagon).
- Cultists (Fenkir and Rani) who worship the aforementioned demon, force people to choose between worship and death, keep sex slaves, perform human sacrifice, and have a major body count.
- A former CIA operative, Jason Madigan, who performed inhumane experiments on vampires and ghouls, as well as the backer of said operative, Richard Trove, who has connections in high places.
- Dr. Louis and Mrs. Delphine LaLaurie, cannibalistic slavers.
- Mihaly Szilagyi, an aristocrat who subjected Vlad Tepsch to various mistreatments, and betrayed romania, causing countless deaths.
- Radjedef, Archnemesis of Bones' grandsire Mencheres, who spends thousands of years trying to get to the latter by attacking his loved ones.
However, Kramer not only personally raped and murdered women in a vile way, he inspired centuries of similar witch hunts, drove people to insanity and suicide, and upon becoming corporeal one night a year, he continues his vile deeds. Burning at the stake seems fairly unique, and his modus operandi is distinct enough from the other candidates that it sets him apart.
Mitigating Factors?
FEH! He's a self righteous schmuck who hides behind religion. As someone who is a practitioner of an organized religion, his hypocrisy and self righteousness is especially fucking revolting.
Verdict?
A solid contender, and one who has the chutzpah to desecrate the name of God in the worst possible way and still delude himself into believing he is righteous.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 1st 2020 at 10:50:38 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Showtime!
to Kramer
"The Juice is Loose."
Goku Black
Kramer
For his pothole Witch Hunter or The Fundamentalist or Knight Templar ?
Edited by miraculous on Dec 19th 2019 at 7:43:38 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Draftsman of Doom
Hanging Judge. He always pronounces a guilty verdict.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 19th 2019 at 10:48:03 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
to Inquisitor Heinrich Kramer (yeesh, I mean the real guy's views were horrific and insane, but at least in real life he was a notorious nut job that no one who knew him took seriously.)
Edited by MGD107 on Dec 19th 2019 at 8:38:48 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
- Night Huntress:
- One Grave at a Time: Inquisitor Heinrich Kramer is the religious zealot turned malevolent spirit who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum, a treatise on witchcraft which motivated centuries of witch hunts. A virulent misogynist in life, Kramer had raped numerous women, then burned them as witches. After dying and becoming a ghost, Kramer had tormented anyone who sensed his presence, provoking them into killing themselves. Upon achieving the ability to become tangible on All Hallows' Eve, Kramer seeks out an accomplice, has the pets of his prospective victims murdered, then rapes and burns his victims before murdering his accomplice. When he is summoned by a medium named Tyler on behalf of Cat and Bones, Kramer attacks the group, proceeding to stalk and harass Cat multiple times. During one of the confrontations where Cat, Bones, and their allies try to stop Kramer, he murders a large number of paranormal division personnel before escaping. Intending to make Cat his next victim, he captures two other women and forces Cat to allow him to capture her in order for a chance to free his other victims, a promise he has no intention of keeping. Kramer attempts to force himself on Cat before unsuccessfully setting her on fire, only to be captured and sealed in a vessel.
Goku Black
Whats the work ?'
The haunting of Ashburn house by Darcy Coates.
People whisper rumors about a family murdered at Ashburn House. They say its old owner, Edith, went mad in the building, and that restless ghosts walk the halls at night.
When Adrienne arrives on the gothic house’s doorstep, all she has is a suitcase, twenty dollars, and her pet cat. She doesn't know why her estranged Aunt Edith bequeathed Ashburn to her, but it's a lifeline she can't afford to refuse.
Adrienne doesn't believe in ghosts, but it’s hard to rationalize what she sees. Strange messages have been etched into the wallpaper. Furniture moves when she leaves the room. And a grave hidden in the forest hints at a terrible, unforgivable secret.
Something twisted and evil lives in her house, and Adrienne must race to unravel the decades-old mystery… before she becomes Ashburn’s latest victim.
Who is Eleanor Ashburn?
A sociopath from the day she was born, Eleanor would bully her twin sister Edith even from the age of three and at age four spent her time killing baby chicks and torturing her sister by pricking her with pins. Eleanor was born with an odd power. Anything that she well and truly beloved in could come true. If she belived she has superstwtngth during the full moon or that anyone she killed she in turn would recieve their years that they would have loved naturally. These came with drawbacks though sunlight would weaken her, any pictures of her would weaken her Nd make her lose her power and any light from candles would deflect her powers back.
At the age of six she tried to drown a neighbourhood child before her father stopped her and stopped her. After this he made sure that she couldn't leave the house, the next two years where ahe nightmare. She would could constantly terrorise her family and drive them crazy. She eventually gained enough power at 8 to murder them. She took a hatchet and brutally killed them. Cutting out her mother's jaw, stabbing her father and cutting our his heart, removing limbs from her aunt and uncle. pure horrendous slaughter. Her mother was able to save edith who used the photographs and candles to weaken Eleanor before killing her.
Edit eventually returned to the town at 18, her sister revived from the grave (every person she kills, she gains their yeArs remember with the presence of a blood relative causing her to rise again using those years), edith tried to talk her down but Eleanor as a prick decided to kill her and take her place. Only for Edith to defeat her using bed weaknesses to burn her to dust.She then reburied the body and to ensure that he'd wicked sister could never rise again. Did this very night, she would light a candle and shine it on a photograph of her sister, preventing her resurrection, unfortunately due to killing four people her sister had bought at minimum around 160 years of living. So it contained for 80 years to ensure her sister could not be unleashed on the world.
Anyway Edith eventually passed on after 80 years and have her great great grandniece Adrienne take over. Eleanor discovers on the first night that the candle ceremony hAndy been performed to stop her so she mind rapes and drives to madness a friend of Adrienes whose weak willed into digging her out. She then begins to stalk and terrorise Adrienne, mocking her with her creepy face and taunting beflreI trying to kill her. Only stopped by Adrienne locking herself in and waiting for dawn which hurts Eleanor. During dawn she discovers a secret passage where the ghost of Edith reveals the truth. Adrienne tries to reach out to Eleanor who promptly shuts that down and the tries to kill her with sadistic glee only for adriennes badass cat to attack her taking our her eyes. She then summons marrion to help her but adrienne defeats her and then uses fire to destroy her before taking up the mantle of ensuring this monster will never rise again along with edith's ghost. The book ends with the two lighting the candle while she draws a picture from Edith.
No. Th is lady was born evil. She was always a spiteful monster from birth.
Other redeeming qualities ?
Nigh. We hear her thoughts which,reveal she's a spiteful prick, facial expressions of sadism, mocking tone and sadism as well as her hate for her sister and how much shelves terrorising adrienne even giggling. Shes perhaps not the most complex of villains but no GDV.
Heinous standard ?
Oh yeah. Think of it as a quality over quantity one. For someone who has a power or two. She tried to drown a kid, brutally murders her family in a horrific and bloody way all at the age of eight. Terrorise her sister andand niece. Drives a woman to madness. She also has a shit ton of weakness like photographs and candles which hinder her but still makes it in sheer personal bite. One of those that cuts very deeply personal.
Conclusion ?
What do you think?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
to Eleanor Ashburn.
"The Juice is Loose."
to Kramer and Ashburn
Yes to both the above
Gentle Laborer
- V-Wars (2019 Netflix series): Calix Niklos, a high-ranking scientist with the Department of National Security (DNS), furthers an anti-Blood agenda in pursuit of an authoritarian state and later worsens the conflict for his own personal gain after joining the Blood Nation to be on the "right side of history". Pretending to be a good-hearted man searching for a cure, Calix assassinates his own closest friend just because she could a nuisance to his plans and gladly supports her replacement, the radical figurehead General William May, watching as he denounces all Bloods as terrorists on live-television. Overseeing the DNS in running concentration camps for those suspected of being Blood, Calix's soldiers forcibly take hundreds of people from their homes and execute civilians along the way, plotting with the corrupt Senator G. Smythe to make these camps "official" and killing Kaylee's boyfriend when she threatens to leak information. Infecting himself after Luther exposes him in court, Calix is involved in the poisoning of BludSub batches to disrupt a truce, leading to countless Blood casualties and inciting widespread violence against humans. Usurping control of the Blood Nation, Calix exposes over 30 million people to the infectious substance by tainting the water supplies of several major cities and declares war on humanity to reduce them to mere cattle.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Dec 19th 2019 at 4:19:50 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Ashburn. Any continuity with Gillespie, or is Darcy just not original when it comes to titles? ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Goku Black
No. The haunting of Blackburn house, haunting of rookward house (have not read those two) as well as Gilespie house and This book are not in continuity with each other just used the same name. She just really likes that name of the haunting of X house...
Randall Flagg.
Calix.
General Maurder.
Kramer.
Asburn.
The Draftsman of Doom
Showtime!
to Ashburn
Yes to Flagg, Calix and Marder.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread