During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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to Hoopa
Hoopa.
[Sorry]
Edited by CelestialDraco on Sep 12th 2019 at 4:53:11 AM
Please delete that EP. The episode just premiered, and beyond that, I've got Ducktales reserved and have for a while.
Has Infinity Train been properly discussed yet? Why doesn't anyone count?
Villain has redeeming qualities. The Conductor, Amelia, is just a broken soul unable to move on from the death of her husband.
What? No, the current Star Wars image is concise and iconic. We're keeping it.
But yeah to adding that image I guess.
Weak yes to The Cleric. He's bland but seems to have barely enough of a personality.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yeah, the current image stays. The new one can go to the main image page.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
The Draftsman of Doom
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I second the motion.
Agreed on keeping the current Monster.Star Wars image.
Keeping the original Star Wars pic.
Also, I plan on seeing Tim Burton’s Alice of Wonderland just to see if Knave of Hearts counts. Obviously I should add him on the to do list too while i’m at it. Wish me luck.
Edited by Michealthehero21 on Sep 12th 2019 at 4:45:35 AM
Good luck man, but I remember he was too much of "Just The Dragon".
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
For Professor Zoom's writeup, should it be updated to include stuff from Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Yea on Hoopa.
Btw. No one counts in Man of Medan a.k.a. Until Dawn at the sea. See, the twist of Man of Medan is that most of the protagonists and the antagonists were affected by a gas called "Manchurian Gold" stored in the ghost ship that the protagonist visited which causes them having several horrific illusions. And yes, the antagonist himself doesn't even breach the heinous mark because he's too generic (Resorting to violent when provoked, beating down one person and taking the heroes as hostages) even his worst act is because of the fact that Manchurian Gold messed up his memory.
So yeah: tl;dr No one counts. Fun fact though, Medan is a name of the city in my country especially in Sumatera Island so yep
Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Sep 12th 2019 at 7:41:03 PM
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Switching to a yes on Mireau, and yes to Jeanne, Arkayn, Gilles de Rais, the Tyrant, and the Cleric.
However, I think I'll actually vote no on Hoopa; I don't think it stands out enough when there are other villains who try to destroy the world, and the bit about him wanting to remake the world in his own image seems a bit too vague for me.
Hoopa
anything about what I said earlier
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
@nwozytal Regarding what?
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Professor Zoom and his appearance in Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay, should we add something on to his writeup (DC Animation)
Edited by nwotyzal on Sep 12th 2019 at 7:10:20 AM
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
Ah! Sadly, I have no comment on that one. I'll let the guys who are familiar with it comment on that one.
An Eldritch Troper
@nwotyzal You mean, we should include his crimes in the film that were commented in this post?
Sorry for the delay about my write-up for Cutting Class, it has been a busy as hell week at school and work. But I got some time to do this now.
Cutting Class (1989): Brian Woods returns to his high school after being released from an asylum for the suspicious killing of his father. Reunited with his two old friends, Paula and Dwight, Brian takes an interest to Paula. He attempts to murder her father and leaves him for dead in the swamp to avoid suspicion, kills various teachers and students alike over their connection to Paula, and finally, tries to frame Dwight with one of the murders. Remorseless and psychotic, Brian stops at nothing to be with the one he loves and sees himself exceeding transcending time and space to become the best serial killer of all-time.
Also, I don't know if this was accepted or not, but I remember there was a fair number of votes that accepted my EP for it.
A 20th Century Boy
It’s also worth noting that Deathstroke, who is already a CM from his previous appearances in the DC Universe Animated Original Movies is briefly shown in a flashback to have killed Bronze Tiger’s fiancee, resulting in his Roaring Rampage of Revenge that led to his situation in the film.
@ACW Darugis doesn't cause quite as much onscreen death, and it's possible that he's Made of Evil
@falcontalons Technically, he wants to remake the world so it can become a dystopia under his control, which he will find fun. Also, the other 2 villains who tried to destroy the world don't kill much onscreen, which Hoopa has plenty of
Edited by KingofNightmares on Sep 12th 2019 at 9:08:43 AM
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Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man.