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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#133726: Oct 20th 2018 at 5:52:47 PM

Depotholing Whistler.

  • Trancers: Martin Whistler is a man with Psychic Powers, which he uses to enslave the weak-willed and make them into monsters known as Trancers. After Jack Deth defeats him, he decides to use time travel in order to kill ancestors of the leaders of the society of his time, which would make the world retain its former post-apocalyptic status, all so he can take over the world. He successfully kills two of the ancestors. When he finds the final one, he threatens to massacre an entire hobo camp if they don't turn him over, then has his goons fire on the entire group. After Jack makes a false deal with Whistler to let him have the future for his Love Interest, Whistler drops her off the building anyways, intending for Jack to "witness his own death."

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Oct 20th 2018 at 5:53:43 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#133727: Oct 20th 2018 at 5:58:41 PM

Say, it's been two weeks, anyone got anything for Assassin's Creed: Odyssey ?

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
MenInGreyToBlak V Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
V
#133728: Oct 20th 2018 at 6:04:21 PM

[up] I'm just gonna say that personally I don't think anyone counts. The HS is huge in these games and I don't thinks anyone does something unique enough. Besides, I'd say Chrysis, the most likely candidate, is too batshit to count anyway.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#133729: Oct 20th 2018 at 8:02:06 PM

So. I binge-read Pygmalion hoping for two villains that could count.

But none do, Shingo have a loved one and a Freudian Excuse, Marie had none, but she suddenly starts to regret her actions for...reasons.

Fun read to be honest.

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PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#133730: Oct 20th 2018 at 8:26:14 PM

Ass Creed has many villains but we tend to cut some slack with the heinous standard with the various eras.

I'd say Ass Creed 3 and 4 are close enough to affect each other since that's only one or two generations removed.

But Ass Creed 1 is centuries before 2, so that's not a problem.

We decide this because morality and values change so profoundly over just a century even, let alone many hundreds of years. So, is Odyssey close to any other time period? If not, it can stand mostly on its own. But if no one is bad enough? No big loss.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#133731: Oct 20th 2018 at 8:37:11 PM

Okay, since Riley proposed Sigvald, I owe 'em this one...since we're on Chaos champions? Enter the ultimate champion of Khorne: Valkia the Bloody.

who is Valkia?

Centuries past, in the cold northern valleys, lived groups of tribes, one of the mightiest being the Schwarzvolf tribe...Valkia was born to Eris and Merroc, the chieftain of the tribe...in the unforgiving North, Valkia was a killer from youth, becoming a fearsome warrior. Her mother had perished at her birth, and her father took a new wife later when Valkia showed no interested in lovers. When Merroc was weakening, Valkia murdered him and the closest man she had to a loved one, Radek....she proceeded to institutes culls of the weak, killed her stepmother, half sisters and only spared her infant half brother. Valkia began to lead the Schwarzvolf savagely, being a renowned warrior with a massive body count. She led savage attacks on other tribes...and then she met the Bloody Hands and their leader Deron...who introduced her to the worship of Khorne. Uniting the clans, Valkia married Deron, and embraced the savage creed of the Blood God. Secretly loathing Deron, Valkia simply raped him at one point to get herself pregant with an heir, resulting in twin daughters, Bellona and Eris. Revolted by Deron's pettiness, misogyny and small-mindedness, Valkia ruthlessly killed him during a blood ceremony, and eventually earned the name Gorequeen

Valkia began to strike out at others Northern clans in the name of Khorne, killing more and more...until the day a Daemon servant of Slaanesh appeared, named Locephax who demanded Valkia become his harem slave. Valkia challenged Locephax to a duel and beheaded him, vowing to venture to the north and place the head before Khorne's throne. Leading a great force, Valkia ventured north...only for the daemons of Slaanesh to fall on them. Only a few hundred of the great army made it home, and Valkia fell...but Khorne was enraptured by her and her bloody fury. He stepped in to personally revive her, remaking her and her shape into a demonic Valkyrie...a beautiful, horned woman with giant wings and crimson armor. Khorne had his Daemon champion. Valkia was tasked with taking the worthy to Khorne's halls for eternity to fight forever. Valkia came to many of her old followers and promised them glory or death...turning many into hideous abominations.

She then proceeded to sever all ties with her humanity. Valkia led a force of monstrous Khornites south to her old lands, exterminating entire tribes to the last being, at one point torturing one man to get the location of where the civilians were hiding. She then found her old tribe, led by her daughter Eris, Bellona having been poisoned by a rival. Eris stood against her mother, engaging Valkia...but Valkia's love for her people was long dead, and with no remorse, she tore her daughter's heart out...and then sent her forces to massacre the rest of the tribes: the pregnant, the inform, the old, the children. Not a single human being survived and Valkia killed her half brother last herself. Valkia proceeded to become a sort of patron saint of slaughter, arriving on battlefields to lead Chaos's forces to gruesome massacres and violent savagery. In one such venture, Valkia led a northern king against a Dwarven hold...Valkia? Taught the Norsca tribes the Blood Eagle which they practiced upon all their dwarf captives.

Valkia would lead the Norsca tribes to the Nordland tribes...where under her? She had them butcher the hell out of everything they found, putting entire towns to the sword as sacrifices to Khorne, until one hero rallied the Nordlanders to victory...Valkia is known to constantly appear to battlefields to inspire the Khornates to greater murder frenzies, and any who falter will die by her spear.

During the End Times, she leads a massive group of Khorne forces to massacre everything they see, ending at Naggaroth where she attempted to put the city to the torch. Valkia was defeated by Malekith himself, but somehow survived. In the last End Times, though, she engages the mortal hero Ludwig Schwarzhelm and performs a Mutual Kill, the two impaling one another together, Valkia dying at last...though in the Age of Sigmar, she still exists as a Daemon Queen in Khorne's realm.

Heinousness?

I think she makes it. Valkia has levels of death to her name few Khornates can match and there is something so horrific and personal about her purge of the valley. She exterminates everything, man, woman, child...personally kills her own daughter with zero remorse. Since then, Vlakia's job is to create gruesome, violent, bloody slaughters, she teaches the blood eagle to the Norscans and has it performed on a whole citadel...she does monstrous slaughter after monstrous massacre...yeah, her sheer body count? I think she passes.

Mitigating Qualities?

She once cared for her daughters and in a warped way, for her peopple...upon her rebirth? She gave herself to Khorne based solely on her love of slaughter and battle, and threw it away. She gives her daughter's skull to Khorne's skull Throne after, and she's far more savage than any other follower of Khorne. She's a savage Blood Knight to the extreme and adheres to no standards. As she says: It does not matter from whence the blood flows...only that it flows. She's a violent fanatic, nothing more.

Conclusion?

I'd give the Gorequeen, Valkia the Bloody a yes.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#133732: Oct 20th 2018 at 8:42:57 PM

[tup] Valkia the Bloody. Second Khornate follower that we have deal (thought the first chronologically)

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ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133734: Oct 20th 2018 at 8:50:01 PM

Yes to Valkia...

Speaking of Junko and Valkia... Who's the worse female CM that you've proposed though for curiosity? Feel rather left behind regarding it tbh. Sorry for derailing the thread

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Bullman "Cool. Coolcoolcool." Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018
JoeBlitz Call me... Del Noir... Since: Dec, 2016
Call me... Del Noir...
#133738: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:20:59 PM

Hey all. Blitz is back, not with an EP, but with a potential one. As we can't propose a monster from our own work, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in looking at a screenplay that I was originally going to put to film, but I decided worked better as a writing exercise. I posted it to the Con Crit thread a couple weeks ago, so the two-weeks rule shouldn't be a problem. If any of yall are interested, feel free to PM me. Otherwise, have a good one, wish you all the best.

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
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#133739: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:24:18 PM

@ Elfen, I can actually think of a few monstrous ladies I got: Dyan, who cursed her town to turn into Lovecraft central for the crime of being too boring; Mitragyna, who has young women turned into assassination tools to start a war across the continent to... sell more poison and closely followed by her subordinate Mandrake, who prides herself on raising said girls to becoming used for assassinations and killing any who get out of line. On a smaller scale I also got up a Distaff Counterpart to The Joker who tries to get the youth of Gotham hooked on drugs while she gets rich.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133740: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:43:30 PM

@Joe Blitz Sure...Shoot me in the P Ms about it Blitz.

As for monstrous female C Ms that I got... Well, it's not that much but the only girls that I think that could be worst of the worst would be Morganthe, who loves to commit a genocide to other civilization and mocks the protagonist about it, Waybis who ran a Human Trafficking business and love to see people suffer or Queen of Leak who commits a indirect brutal abortion towards a pregnant woman.

And if you count the person who I did a writeup on but got proposed by someone else? Charlotte Ermengarde who commits some heinous personal crimes such as letting her men rape her maid or letting her maid forcing to watch as her maid's loved ones getting murdered in front of her or Mithra who lies to the Big Bad so that she could let her real master to consume the Earth.

TBH... Not being a misogynistic prick but I had a fun proposing female villains and love some bad girls cuz they are waifus (But not all of them are) :3

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 21st 2018 at 8:39:50 PM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#133741: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:55:50 PM

Quinella from SAO is my top evil female CM. The levels of opression that she created are massive, even after her death, the damage that she left in the Human Empire' Society is still present. Is almost a post mortem Fuck You. A example? She put a girl to be the operator of a elevator. A elevator that she only used sometimes in decades, with the girl being there, alone, for centuries.

Brainwashing people is bad but normal. Extracting their memories and using it to fuel a being in eternal pain trying to protect what they love made of human individuals. The Sword Golem is one of the most sick—if not the most—examples of The Power of Love. As someone said in a FB post,

Hyped to see how is adapted to the anime and the reactions. Quinella is easily one of the most evil villains that I have found in media. She still scare me, all without using gore or rape. She don't scare my body, she scare my soul.

[up][up] Which is the work and from what medium? Congrats on finishing it.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:03:17 PM

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JoeBlitz Call me... Del Noir... Since: Dec, 2016
Call me... Del Noir...
#133742: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:56:18 PM

Alright, looks like Elfen's taken the reins. If anyone else wants to read it before an EP, message me!

"Now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho."
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#133743: Oct 20th 2018 at 9:59:41 PM

[tup]Valkia.

My worst female CM is probably Katherina.

Why so serious?
therealjackieboy Carrot Clone from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Carrot Clone
#133744: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:02:23 PM

My favorite proposed female C Ms would have to be Junko (selling out her gang out of greed and jealousy, showing zero remorse for everyone, and begging to be spared despite everything she’s done to Asami) and Sister Jill’s Universe incarnation (for being horrible to everyone, including her own teammates).

"It doesn't matter anymore. You win. It is Duck Season."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#133745: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:06:15 PM

So I'm feeling... pretty horrible (nausea and pain all around) and my activity here might be on pause for a day or so. To compensate? Writeups:

  • Venom: The Riot symbiote is the "team leader" of the planned symbiote invasion force coming to Earth, and one of the four symbiotes brought back to Earth by the Life Foundation. Riot escapes, surfing from host to host and eating them alive from the inside-out — with two of his hosts being an old woman and a little girl — while leaving a slew of slaughtered innocents behind him. Riot bonds to Carlton Drake in the climax to send out a probe to bring the rest of his kind to Earth and allow them to feed on all humanity, massacring the entirety of Drake's staff when he's informed there may be a delay. Riot is apathetic to the death of even the other symbiotes who died in Carlton Drake's care, and decides to even kill Venom when he goes renegade.

  • Early Report: The unnamed terrorist duo from "Blowing Up Is Hard To Do" are the representatives of an anti-governmental militia called the Brotherhood who try and blow up a newscaster with a car bomb when he refuses to read out their manifesto on air. Undeterred by the foiled plot, the terrorist duo up their scheme by attempting to blow up the Chicago Sun Times building and all the innocent people there, with one of them gleefully musing on how tame the 1861 Chicago Fire will seem in comparison to the devastation, being willing to murder anyone who impedes them.

erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown from The Infinitude of Meh Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
#133746: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:06:55 PM

My worst is the only one I can remember right now: Akasha. Let's start with "slaughters civilians for a living" and go from there.

[up] Get some rest and take some meds.

Edited by erazor0707 on Oct 20th 2018 at 10:14:23 AM

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#133747: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:08:39 PM

Yes to Valkia.

[up][up] I am sorry to hear that Scraggs! Hope you get well soon!

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#133748: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:09:04 PM

Oh, and for my favorite female CM? Mothergod from Valiant, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Doubles as my absolute worst of them too and one of the worst I've ever put up.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
#133749: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:09:16 PM

Ouch Scraggle. I hope you got better soon.

Also, yeah, It would be nice if I propose the worst female C Ms from Genre-Busting Anime/Manga/Video Games who could almost have the level of depravity as Westcott, Evolt, Karza or any Warhammer villains but that would be hard to find lelelel.

Edited by ElfenLiedFan90 on Oct 21st 2018 at 12:11:34 AM

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#133750: Oct 20th 2018 at 10:20:25 PM

Hope you get better Scrags!!.

Also. Claudia Kuroi, don't forget her.

[up] Or Drakkon. Easily the most murderous guy from Power Rangers tongue.

Hey. Now that I think about it. Venjix extry shouldn't be edited given that he now don't posesses the biggest body count of the franchises? (Permanent bodycount would be more accurate. Drakkon' victims were brought back thanks to the Multiversal reset).

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:27:07 PM

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