During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
So with a unanimous 15 , here's my write-up of the alien entity. Apparently, he's supposed to be loosely based off of Shanzar from the comics, but I can't really say they're the same character. It's more of an Expy, from what I can tell.
- The Incredible Hulk: The unnamed alien entity from the episode "Mind Over Anti-Matter" was a powerful and boisterous being that searched for new realms to conquer and destroy. Setting its sights upon Earth, the entity fought Doctor Strange amongst the ruins of the last world it laid waste to. After overpowering Strange, the being searched for a host body strong enough to contain its raw power. It found one in Bruce Banner and proceeded to take over his body and wreak havoc on his subconscious. It transformed Bruce into the Dark Hulk and went on a rampage across Manhattan, attacking anyone who stood in its way. The Dark Hulk invaded a military base and armed a nuclear warhead to destroy the island of Manhattan. With a rap sheet spanning centuries, the alien entity's only goal was to have as much fun as possible while turning new worlds into lifeless husks.
Oh, besides an image and quote for Sherlock Holmes, Cartoon Network will need a new image. Mumm-Ra◊?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts@ACW Btw... Added the Psyren trios in the drafts and modify their trees. Also adding that Yusaka image btw.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."Yes to Dyzigi.
And next candidate.
What's the setting?
Mysterius the Unfathomable is a comic published under the Wildstorm imprint (not in the Wildstorm universe proper) featuring the exploits of... Mysterius the Unfathomable, a wandering magician who every decade or so gets a new assistant he dubs the Delphi of the current time. His newest assistant? A reporter named Ella who gets roped into Mysterius, seemingly carrying a bad luck hex that gets her fired from her job and taken under the wing of Mysterius. Mysterius and Delfi get wrapped up in a client's weird story which takes them to an idol a witch took from him. Said idol leads them into the clutches of an evil cult leader... Vinton Dulac.
Who is Dulac? What has he done?
Vinton Dulac. Or John James. Or Arian Rhode. A shoe-in for Anton Lavey, Jim Jones, who-have-you, Dulac is a Satanist who, under the name of Vinton Dulac, seemingly committed suicide in front of his coven after his meeting with Mysterious in the 60s. All fine and good... except he came back. With no magical experience of his own but exploiting those of his followers, Dulac came back and became immortal from the orgy rites of his followers, later adopting the name of John James and leading a mass suicide of over one-thousand people to empower himself further, down to the children. Dulac had somebody else kill himself as a stand-in for his own body and continued to amass more and more followers... possessing a particular vendetta against Mysterius for laughing him off back in the sixties.
Now under the name of Arian Rhode, Dulac has his coven pursue Mysterius, arranging numerous murders until he finally captures Mysterious and his allies, taking them to a burning man ritual (think the Wicker Man) staffed by lots of hippies and spiritualists in the area he's supposedly catering to. Truth is this is the final stage of Dulac's ascent... Dulac, using his stock of draugr slaves (people whom he reduces to zombified minions when they find out too much — he's done this to dozens), massacres all the other innocents in the area while having his coven conduct a giant orgy to empower him further. In the giant wicker man, Dulac's imprisoned dozens more of anyone who could even potentially challenge him with their magic, even ordinary stage magicians, intending to burn them all alive as a sacrifice to himself. Dulac's ultimate goal? To become a god, throwing away even his loyal cult and rewriting all civilization, deciding who lives and dies for all eternity.
When Mysterius and his allies bust out, Dulac tries to have them all eaten alive by the draugar... but Delfi gets the upper hand on them, opening a book to a zany alternate dimension which results in Dulac decapitated and his head trapped forever in said alternate dimension, never to die and never to be freed.
Any mitigating factors?
Nope. Not much to talk about. No excuse, good moments, handily clears the standard, etc.
Conclusion?
And another keep from yours truly.
Thoughts?
And a big yes!
to Vinton Dulick
Edited by G-Editor on Sep 19th 2018 at 3:29:10 AM
Yes to Dulac.
Yes to Dulac.
Welcome to the world of greatest media!Dlacula
I knew what I was typing.
Edited by MasterJoseph on Sep 19th 2018 at 6:33:05 AM
IPP Wick Check created.- Demons Never Die: Bates is a police officer moonlighting as a serial killer. After murdering a young woman named Amber and using his role as the investigating officer to declare her death a suicide, he begins targeting a group involved in a suicide pact. He murders his implied accomplice, Hudson and his wife after Hudson makes a call to someone saying he is backing out. He murders Davey, Kenny, Samantha, Ashleigh, Cain, James, Sachin, and his own police partner, Mason. He finally tries to murder Archie and Jasmine, while openly referring to himself as a demon.
- Halloween Horror Nights: Carnage appears as the main antagonist of the 2002 Maximum Carnage maze attraction. Based off of the Maximum Carnage storyline, the attraction alters the story so that Carnage won, killed most of the worlds heroes, and took over the planet. Throughout the maze, the guests see bodies of the heroes Carnage killed, including Spider-Man, Franchise/Wolverine, and Captain America. Eventually, Carnage sends his henchmen after the guests.
Edited by bobg on Sep 22nd 2018 at 5:17:01 AM
jjjDulac. What a delightfully satisfying fate.
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."Dulac.
Why so serious?to Vinton Dulac
ACW, onn Shar's entry on the draft? Shar isn't 'featured prominently' in the comics, she's in one brief story arc. She's more featured in the novels, being the Greater-Scope Villain of the Twiliht War trilogy and Godborn
Found these unauthorized entries From YMMV.A History Of Violence
- "Little" Lou Manzi from the original comic is a ravenously psychotic mob boss and Torture Technician who makes Cold-Blooded Torture his hobby. Since becoming the head of the boss twenty years before the story, Manzi keeps a man as a toy, torturing him in every conceivable way he can think of day in and day out till the man is nothing more than an armless, legless chunk of meat—barely alive and conscious. In present, he tries to get the man's partner back to be his victim as well by threatening his family and his young children.
- From the film, Leland Jones and Billy Orser. They are a pair of thieving serial killers who are introduced casually murdering the staff of the motel they're departing at the start of the movie, with Billy gunning down a scared little girl without a hint of emotion. Later, when they try to rob Tom Stall's diner, Leland orders Billy to rape a waitress to "show this asshole we mean business," which Billy is all too happy to oblige; thankfully, Tom kills them both before it goes that far. It's heavily implied they are on a cross-country murder spree, and would have continued indiscriminately robbing and killing everyone they encountered had Tom not turned the tables on them when he did. Despite not being the actual villains of the film, they are without a doubt the most evil and depraved characters.
- Also, Richie Cusack. The guy fondly recalls how he tried to strangle his newborn baby brother in his crib when they were young... to his brother, now an adult. Then he tries to blithely have his brother killed just to save face with his gangster friends.
Now, I proposed and wrote up "Little" Lou years and years ago. He's an easy keeper and what he does to Richie is one of the most sickening things I've seen in a crime story, even with Lou's minimal screentime.
For the film...we haven't discussed it too properly, but from what I recall...the entry does make a solid argument for the including of Leland and Billy. tehy do massacre the motel staff and a little girl, intending on massacring everyone in Tom's diner, with an attempted rape...we've had monsters like Clarence Darby from Law Abiding Citizen, Dez and Edel from Running Scared and others. But Richie? Pretty darned sure he doesn't count at all.
Hey Lighty, since we're talking about Forgotten Realms literature, I never got around to reading the War of the Spider Queen series after being so fatigued from the entire Drizzt saga, but I'm still curious if Quenthel Baenre counts. I would argue her actions from the last few Drizzt sagas make her bad enough to count like magically aging a newborn to an adult to make it into your slave, unleashing demons on Menzoberranzen and the Underdark, and manipulating the orcs into braking their peace with the Silver Marches and killing tens of thousands in the ensuing violence. The thing is that reading a summary of the Wot SQ actually makes her seem worse, so I'm curious about her counting.
Edited by LoreDeluxe on Sep 19th 2018 at 10:26:51 AM
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.TBH....I'm a bit conflicted on that front. Quenthel is like...so annoyingly incompetent in that series that it really made me forget how evil she is, but I can't quite remember her getting up to much that's altogether too horrible beyond backstabbing a more likable and useful character and generally hindering her group by being a moron. It's like "take a shot every time Pharaun needs to fix Quenthel's mistakes oh great now you have alcohol poisoning."
Edited by Lightysnake on Sep 19th 2018 at 10:24:09 AM
It might be her action from the last two Drizzt sagas alone that make her count. I presume you've read those right? I was just curious if she had anything redeeming from the Wot SQ.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.She's a Lolth fanatic who's genuinly disappointed she isn't assimilated into the goddess, but that's....really it.
Got my PM btw?
Dyzigi and dulac
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Sure on the candidates I missed.
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Dyg Dug.
IPP Wick Check created.