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Alright, looking into the Red World YMMV, i have a ton of concerns about Bal Thackeray, for reference here is his entry

"Bal Thackeray is the leader of the Army of Shivaji, a Hindu Fundamentalist Paramilitary Group that emerges in the wake of the Bharatiya Janata Party's empowering of the far-right. If the Bharatiya Janata Party initially reverses efforts to suppress them and installs Thackeray's nephew Raj Thackeray into the Indian government, Bal Thackeray and his movement will use this opportunity to take control of the entire government. Once in power, he uses Raj as a puppet, along with a combination of bribery and working with the Mumbai Mafia to consolidate power. He will then seal off India from Bangladesh and Pakistan' re-implement the caste system' and launch violent pogroms on Muslims that could potentially spread to other minorities in India, resulting in said minorities either being expelled from India or segregated in areas totally isolated from the Hindu population."

As bad as his actions are, dictatorships are nothing new in the work. There are literal genocidal organizations with less resources, a prime example being Theresa Brasier, whos also a CM, and the new confederacy, and dictatorships in general are very common in the work.

Sure, segregation and an eltist system are scummy, not to mention his deportations however these are nothing new in the work, and being the leader of India, a very rich country he has the ability to clearly do worse.

For me, he is a clear cut, a hate sink? for sure, but ultimately he does not pass the standards of the work

Actuallly, if we want images for the Ace Attorney page, we're gonna have too look more on the most recent ones, i remember The phantom has one with the explosions and that.

Neither D or Potimas is the Big Bad because the story sort of doesn't have one. D is the more important character, but is a Greater-Scope Villain beyond the ability of anyone to deal with. Potimas is more like a necessary obstacle that needs to be overcome but defeating him and his plans is not enough to solve the plot.

Neither of them really have any redeeming characteristics. D's evil is kind of, what, absorbing? Entertaining? You almost admire just how terrible she is. Potimas is just a Hate Sink.

Edited by Arha on Aug 27th 2022 at 5:14:55 AM

Oh and just to make sure, we good for these quotes, right?

Look good.

Also speaking of Fright Night, I have been wondering why doesn't Jerry from the original Fright Night (1985) count as a CM, when a bunch of his other versions do including the one from the novelization of the same film, I tried to find this but wasn't able to. Not suggesting him or anything like that, just wondering.

Quotes work; just Wiki Word Ellis's name.

Isn't OG Jerry Danridge Affably Evil or something?

I did notice this entry on the film page.

• Affably Evil: Jerry, though he becomes more like Faux Affably Evil later on.

However it doesn't really explain it well so I didn't really know if that was the reason.

D has more bearing on Kumoko/Shiraori's half of the story, with Potimas only getting involved towards the ~⅔ mark.

Potimas has more bearing on the human/dragon reincarnates' side of the story, which is set 16 - 14 years after Kumoko's half; while D is only indirectly involved as the Greater-Scope Villain.

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 27th 2022 at 4:06:45 AM

Last I heard, Shiraori is the Big Bad.

Because her plan to save the world from imploding requires killing enough people — like, in the hundreds of thousands to millions — to replenish the Other World's magical energy store & dismantling the System, which IIRC is a necessary evil since nothing else will fix the problem Potimas and D caused. Sure, she's also a spider-goddess who thinks nothing of eating people, is abusive towards her foster daughter, and has the hots for her grandma... but that's beside the point.

I thought Shiraori is Kumoko? Or am I missing something?

Anyway D is the first CM played by Saori Hayami well Potimas is another for Toshiyuki Morikawa

Let's have D first.

Ravok's quotes.

Also Shout Factory has started to officially translate the various sentai and Rider series. So we're going to have to update names to what they use for its official English version as time goes on.

Yes, Kumoko became Shiraori by eating Potimas' magic nuke, but her big plan to save the world effectively involves committing genocide on humanity — in part because D rigged the "Taboo" skill to misinform those who max it out that humanity is solely responsible for the world's impending doom. To elaborate:

Kumoko was the first reincarnate to be born due to hatching as a spider-monster in the Great Elroe Labyrinth. She spent two years fighting and evolving, with D occasionally prodding her along to get some more amusement from her suffering. Kumoko evolved into a unique spider-monster form, escaped the Labyrinth, and killed the Queen Taratect who'd given birth to her — drawing the ire of Potimas' daughter Ariel, who'd become a demigoddess and the progenitor of the Taratects.

Kumoko evaded Ariel and settled in the forest outside a kingdom whose royal family she'd saved from some bandits, coming to be worshipped as a divine beast after she healed some people. She foiled an attempt by some elves to kidnap the princess — a vampire reincarnate named Sophia — but murdered the noble of a neighbouring kingdom when he tried to capture her, leading to a war between the two kingdoms. Kumoko evolved into an arachne, saved the vampire princess, and was attacked by one of Potimas' cyborgs — being saved by Ariel, who'd been Heel-Face Brainwashed by a fragment of Kumoko's soul.

Kumoko, Ariel, the vampire princess, and the vampire princess' attendant foiled Potimas activating an anti-dragon superweapon, leading to Kumoko apotheosizing into a goddess. She and Ariel then put together a plan to save the world from collapse by slaughtering countless people and dismantling the system, assembling an army of demons and powerful monsters to do so.

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 27th 2022 at 4:33:38 AM

Shiraori is the Big Bad of someone else's story. There is a side character that is a stock light novel protagonist and she's basically the villain of his story. She is not the villain of the story a whole and occupies a fuzzy space between Anti-Hero and Anti-Villain.

Not that it matters. She definitely doesn't qualify for this trope, so any discussion of her is getting off topic. Potimas is an Arc Villain, D is a Greater-Scope Villain and the story as a whole lacks a Big Bad unless you want to consider this that one side character's story. This is probably intentional.

Potimas and D both pretty much qualify for the trope.

Are we just missing write ups for the two of them?

Edited by Arha on Aug 27th 2022 at 7:22:34 AM

I Ts not really possible to watch Fright Night and think Jerry is a CM:

• He's genuinely a pleasant guy who offers Charlie a real chance to just leave him alone and states he has no choice but to be what he is
• He makes a real effort not to hurt Charlie's mom. He states he genuinely doesn't wnat to harm her and retreats rather than do so
• He clearly cares for the woman in his past who die long ago
• He's close friends with his ghoul Billy

D has a writeup; we're just waiting for the other.

If genocide is so common in Red World then I am leaning cut on Thackeray. Can more people comment there?

Oh yeah sorry I overlooked that, yeah I am leaning cut on the Red World guy, may change it if a good argument comes through.

I haven't seen the film so that is probably why Thanks for the answer. Weird to think he gets quite some CM versions in adaptations.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Aug 27th 2022 at 5:49:54 AM

The thing is, he doesnt really commit outright genocide (as far as i remember), moreso just implement segregationist and deportation like policies, and thus fails to the dictators that actually commit genocide (Theresa,Confederates, Syrian Far Right, Etc)

I guess you could argue he commits cultural genocide? Though either way, his actions are way too common in his work

Edited by Electricogamer on Aug 27th 2022 at 12:54:05 PM

Cut the Red World guy then.

to the Jerry Dandridge quote and the Bernard Erlanger quote.

to Dezhor zo Raza. Cut Bal Thackeray.

• Potimas is the man responsible for the current state of the world and several times over at that.
  • Due to his pathological fear of death and inherent sociopathic nature, he developed technology derived from kidnapping baby dragons and experimenting on them. The technology in question taps in the life force of the planet and it's quite clear he knows that using this technology puts a strain on the planet that it can't bear but lies and says it's safe. Using the resources acquired by this world ending tech, he proceeds to begin with human experimentation, including treating his own daughter Ariel as an experiment to create immortality. In the process, he turns her into a spider/humanoid hybrid that looks entirely human but stopped aging and produces toxins that left her in constant agony during her childhood. Then when he got caught, he unleashed a vampire apocalypse to cover his tracks. Thousands of years later his only comment on Ariel is annoyance that whatever he did to her actually worked but he can't replicate it.
  • Later, during the early stages of the apocalypse, he intended do siphon off the power of Sariel, who was going to willingly sacrifice herself to save the planet. To stop this from happening an alternate solution in the form of the System was granted them. Said System is akin to turning the entire planet into both purgatory and a combat RPG for the sick amusement of an evil goddess, D.
  • With this System in place to begin restoring the planet, he hampers the efforts by continuing to use the world ending technology, using up the majority of the energy intended to repair the world that was on the verge of exploding outright. He leaves just enough that the place won't blow up under his feet, still pursuing his goal of immortality inside his Hidden Elf Village with elves being nothing but a Slave Race he runs as a cult by kidnapping people and converting them into more elves.
  • Finally, when the world is almost healed despite him, he sees the opportunity to get rid of one source of paranoia by tricking the previous generation's demon king and hero into launching an attack at Gyulie, who is trying to help heal the world. The attack fails due to intervention from Sariel redirecting the attack to D but in the process this drains the world's restoration all the back to 3% when it was over 90% before. This basically guarantees the destruction of every soul stuck in the System because they cannot take the abuse required to fill the meter again.

Is that supposed to be his writeup?

First of all unless significant time has passed the proposer is supposed to make it and second that is way to long.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Aug 27th 2022 at 6:20:46 AM