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Yes to the Priestess.

& Is this about my post re. Norman Osborn? I find it interesting, though, that Cletus Kasady also underwent Heel–Face Brainwashing and expressed remorse for his crimes, but this didn't disqualify him — I presume since he was restored to his original self and went right back to butchering people For the Evulz. If that's the case, if Norman's Heel–Face Brainwashing is undone and he goes back to being the Green Goblin, would that re-qualify him?

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 11th 2022 at 9:24:08 AM

I might not be all caught up but I think I heard Norman Osborn does come back to being evil from a comic news article is.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Aug 11th 2022 at 12:37:40 PM

Marvel lives and breathes Status Quo Is God, so if that's true it doesn't surprise me. Currently, though, he's... well... the announcement of what Norman's currently doing has been out for some time but the issue itself just came out.

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 11th 2022 at 9:38:11 AM

the High Priestess.

High Priestess and finally a version of Heihachi.

Since we cut Norman on the grounds of him genuinely caring for Harry, I doubt he's going back up any time soon. If he does try to murder Harry like he did in Dark Reign, one could make an argument that he ditched that one redeeming quality but even then, it would be a very hard sell.

EDIT: Just read your re-eval for Norman and...I dunno if recent comics revealing his care for Harry to be fake is enough. Guess we'll let the thread decide when the time is right.

Edited by CaptainPinkiePie on Aug 11th 2022 at 2:13:30 PM

Speaking of Marvel, while looking through the Marvel wiki for some reason, I found out that Eddie Brock died. So now Eddie and Cletus are dead...for the time being

Yeah, Eddie's death surprised me too. Now I'm just counting down the days until both of them are Back from the Dead because Death Is Cheap in mainstream comics.

And a yes to Carlton Drake - no surprise that his original incarnation counts alongside his Venom 2018 self.

Tbf Cleetus is kinda back. He's just no longer human but a symbiote himself. Its weird.

Did Knull do anything in King of black before his death worth adding to his entry?

I was gonna ask the same question as well.

I'm surprised no one actually expanded or included those crimes on his write-up yet.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Aug 11th 2022 at 1:42:18 PM

Destroying or enslaving several worlds; ripping the Sentry in half, killing Eddie out of spite; enslaving the Avengers, several X-Men, and dozens of civilians; trying to steal the Ebony Blade and mocking Dane Whitman for believing Merlin's lies about its true nature; attempting to rewrite history by resurrecting Mister E in the past to prematurely free him; torturing Thor and Dylan... and then getting curb-stomped by the resurrected Eddie.

But Defenders (2021) reveals — or at least strongly implies — that Knull is an incarnation of Anti-All, a Draconic Abomination embodying Oblivion that was said to have originated in the Below-Place (and thus been created by the One Below All) and sought to destroy the Third Cosmos. Wouldn't that kinda remove Knull's agency seeing how he'd be Made of Evil?

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 11th 2022 at 10:50:59 AM

Don't most Marvel beings have agency? With a few exceptions like Cassandra Nova.

I dunno. Didn't Immortal Hulk and its tie-ins kinda do away with that by having the One Below All be the source of all evil, working through many hands that are themselves but also it?

I don't think that matters. Evil in marvel is pretty aware of what it is and chooses and refines what it can do?

Its why agency is possible to even cosmic beings?

Or demons who are also canonically constructed from evil.

So, my next Vampire the Masquerade CM lot..we have a Toreador, a Tzimisce, a Tremere and a Ventrue. Toreador first: Enver Frasher.

Who is Enver Frasher?

a notorious Toreador, one of the absolute worst of the worst in all the Camarilla to the point other vampires are all "This is fucked up" about this guy. Enver was born in the 1700s and became a struggling musician. Toreador, you see, are a very artistic clan and his Sire expected him to do and achieve amazing things. Unfortunately, Enver never quite hit that point. Instead, Enver began to find talented musicians and killing dozens of them to plagiarize their work, keeping trophies from them. This is a practice he holds up into the modern nights.

What sets Enver apart is his absolute love of sadism. Crossing Enver or simply annoying him is a sign for him to absolute ruin your life. He drives his victims to madness, murders everyone around them and makes an artistic show of their absolute devastation before ending their lives. Enver is mostly able to get away with this because of his effectiveness, such as sending a pack of Lupines into Mexico City for a bloody massacre, which also caught up the Sabbat and during WW 2, he did other Toreador a favor by saving artists they liked from the Death Camps.

That said, on his spare time, Enver is always breaking someone. He happily kills his victims in the most painful and mentally agonizing ways, taunts their loved ones with body parts and at one point ruined a mortal's life by framing him for Enver's own crimes after creating a serial killer profile with his own blood draining.

And he loves killing people and positioning the bodies in creative and artistic ways.

Mitigating issues?

For a relative weakling (a tenth generation) Enver is wow. He's an out and utter monstrous sadist with absolutely insane levels to the extent he will go to shatter someone's mind and ruin them. Other vampires make attempts not to kill people at least openly. Enver does not care and tortures his victims to the greatest extent he can.

The only good you can say about him is him rescuing two artists from the Nazis, but it's indicated this was because the Toreador as a whole favored them and Enver gets away with his proclivities by doing his job well for the Camarilla. Blind eyes get turned as a result.

It says a lot that being a serial killing, mass murdering sadist is Enver's hobby

Conclusion?

Yep

Enver

Hey a break from the Body Horror stuff. For something more psychological.

to Enver

Funny enough, my remaining Tzimisce has nothing to do with Body Horror at all.

My next real quick, from a short horror story...

What's the work?

Diet Riot is a horror anthology by Nico Bell and Sonora Taylor, both of whom have stories featured in the book. The book is a fat-positivity horror antho, with the ending story by Sonora Taylor, Diet Riot, "Easy Bake," where a woman named Crystal is on a baking show called Easy Bake for a particular network...unfortunately for her...

Not everyone is gonna walk off... the host of the show?

Michael.

Who is Michael?

Michael, not his real name, is the host of Easy Bake for an underground network, as described by the author as British Bake Off meets Squid Game. Contestants are lured in, with a major cash prize...only problem is, well...

The games are fatal. to lose is to die. The opening of the story is far into the competition where the bakers are held hostage and forced to compete in bake offs in cakes. The one eliminated is immediately executed by the guards, as seen when Michael draws things out between Crystal and a baker named Beth, before having Beth's throat slit...Crystal's surprised. Usually they use guns.

This is made clear to be long running and routine with Michael delighting in tormenting his victims and insinuating they can't leave, with only a few of the contestants left. Crystal, a woman named Ming and a man named Lee...Michael, as a nasty little joke, decides they'll bake a meat pie for the final judging and uses Beth's body for the meat...

However, in the ensuing chaos, Ming reveals she's got ideas going on and puts in extra nutmeg...just enough to poison people. Chaos ensues and Lee disarms a guard, though he's killed in the process but not before the guards and judges going down, leaving Crystal to level a gun on Michael and gun him down.

The network heads reveal the slaughter was a huge hit, so they offer Ming and Crystal the prize money together...the two, realizing they have no choice but silence, open a bakery together...where they occasionally get visitors who subscribe to the network...

And Crystal ensures she poisons them, opting to chip away at the subscriber base, one person at a time.

Mitigating issues?

Nah, Michael's killed tons of people. He's responsible for plenty of horrible actions and delights in it. The end has the network head reveal Michael was just bluffing about the ininuation pulling out means death...he only implied it, for his own amusement.

Nothing good. He's just a nasty sadist who hosts a death game.

Conclusion?

Yes.

Update to Knull's entry:

Edited by Arawn999 on Aug 11th 2022 at 11:42:20 AM

Enver and Michael

michael the evil baker.

Enver, Michael

Alright been a moment since I've done an EP and so I'll leave you guys with an... unusual one.

What is the work?

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is a game that I'm sure most of you are aware of. During the Dawnguard quest line you can explore the Fort that the Dawnguard reside in. Hidden in the caves behind the Fort is a small mine where the player can grab some loot and find a book called Confessions of a Khajiit Fur Trader. This is the only place in the game you can find the book and it has quite a horrific story starring our character for discussion, the titular fur trader.

Who is the Fur Trader and what have they done

The Fur Trader was once the child of a rich Khajit who was forced to the streets with his brother after their father's estate burned down along with the fortune. From there the brothers had lived in poverty until the Fur Trader swiped someone's purse, eventually joining a gang and beginning a life of scamming and robbing people. Eventually the Fur Trader wants to move out of it but his brother convinces him to continue to help them leave the life behind and become legitimate traders so they planned one final heist.

Despite their efforts, the heist ends in disaster with the wagon they tried to rob crashing and the brother dead. The Fur Trader checks the wreckage and discovers the wagon was full of pelts. Taking the pelts, the Fur Trader also takes a pelt of his brothers Fur as a memento. When trading the pelts with a Trader, the Fur Trader ends up selling his brothers pelt when the other Trader offered triple the amount for that pelt.

From there the Fur Trader continued, ambushing innocent people and slicing them to harvest their skins, getting more precise and richer in the process. There wasn't a discrimination with who the Fur Trader would murder for their skins and other body parts so long as he got the coin. His operation grew so big that he had his own stronghold and had a sizable operation to work for him.

Eventually though, the guards found out the Fur Trader's stronghold and massacred everyone but taking the Fur Trader to be executed. Unbeknownst however, The Fur Trader writes that he has a lockpick and will not be executed the next day and will continue the trade until his demise, leaving behind a legacy.

Mitigating Factors?

There's no indepth detail of how it was for The Fur Trader when slumming it and his Riches to Rags story isn't sympathetic considering how horrific he gets when going Rags to Riches.

Does he care for his brother? I think he used to but he subverts it I think when he sells his brothers pelt. This quote is what makes me think that.

And he originally was wanting to quit the crime business so the coin made him do a full 180 despite his brother wanting to go legit after the wagon heist.

Now the main mitigating concern of mine is that this is told in a book. There's no other references to the "Fur Trade" and this book is only found in this specific location in Skyrim. There's not even any confirmation this is real although it being written as a confession by the Fur Trader before his "execution" makes me think it might be.

Heinous Standard?

For once I don't think this a concern. The Fur Trader has a uniquely depraved niche even in the dark world of the Elder Scrolls and a great example of From Nobody to Nightmare as he is for all accounts a mere human-er cat person with no magic or powerful weapons yet created a horrific operation simply out of greed and wanting a legacy.

Final Verdict

Leave to you guys, the circumstances of it being in a book make me doubt it but the tropes YMMV for a reason.

Edited by WetFlannels on Aug 11th 2022 at 7:55:24 PM

I'll trust you Enver's bad enough for his level; the ruining life seems unique at least, and he's not a Tzimisce, so that helps.

Where should Enver and Zarnovich go on the page? And I wonder if we should organize Vampire (at least the non-spinoffs) by vampire group and then by clan.

Speaking of Zarnovich, I ask again: Is he behind "They force humans into Gladiator Games, bury children alive to hear the echoes of their screams, lobotomize 140 psychiatric patients, and even create deadly sports just to find new ways to torture people"?

Yes to evil Gordon Ramsay. Crystal seems like a Magnificent Bitch candidate.

Fur Trader...maybe. Show Within a Show thing.