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I am saying JC, seems like enough, I am sure we have approved characters with less.

Plus, I've not seen the film, but isn't Stegman just a high-schooler? That makes his acts even more impressive.

With JC, does he start the Mob War, or is it mutually started by both sides?

I guess cut Beast's.

Edited by ACW on May 1st 2022 at 4:33:58 AM

He is but it's also an Up To Eleven case for the fear his gang respects and they're treated in the way you'd see any dreaded film gang. If JC's starting a gang war in addition to it all I think he can keep as well, especially since Class of 1984 isn't treating Stegman like he's barely got anything to work with: he's the Big Bad with henchmen at his disposal.

If JC STARTS it, I can lean yes, but not if it's mutually begun.

All the violence is triggered by J.C.'s rape and murder of Rommel's fiance. Rommel comes after him for revenge, J.C.'s mole in Rommel's group tips him off, so J.C. is waiting for them. Rommel's group (except for one guy who didn't listen) had decided to call the police and that going after J.C. wasn't worth it, so I'd say J.C.'s the most guilty for the deaths. He also kills his own man for getting caught.

Edited by Javertshark13 on May 1st 2022 at 4:46:16 AM

Even without the gang war I feel three murders and a rape should be enough, if barely.

I'd forgot about him killing his own man, so it's actually four murders.

That and the Domestic Abuse up to beating his girlfriend to death is one murder in particular that packs a very nasty punch.

Stegman is from a film that's got some satire in how it cranks up the power of a high school gang which is why I'm reticent to write him off as "just a high-schooler"... in this fictional world he can straight up use his age to dodge the law to ridiculous degrees and I don't think his presence on the trope precludes an evil biker rapist who beats his girlfriend to death and is a horrible boss murdering a minion in a fit of rage.

Edited by 43110 on May 1st 2022 at 4:47:51 AM

I have a new proposal from a familiar place.

What is the Work?

Goosebumps HorrorTown is a mobile game based on the Goosebumps franchise it has all the normal mobile game stuff but it also ran quite a lot of events with stories based on the book series.

Today we are going to be covering the event based on the The Haunted School. Basically, the plot of that is that there is a girl named Thalia who escapes from Grayworld a horrible place where she was originally trapped and the man responsible for that.

Who is Mr. Chameleon and What Has He Done?

Mr. Chameleon is the Big Bad of the event. He is based on his counterpart from the book. He is a photographer with a massive hatred for children. In 1947 he banished the class of the school of Bell Valley to the Grayworld. For those uninformed Grayworld is a horrible place where the children a trapped there for decades slowly losing their color and going insane as a result of this.

One of the kids he banished Thalia is able to escape from Grayworld though so he starts chasing after her. Thalia eventually ends up in the titular Horror Town. While there Mr. Chameleon plans on banishing another class of kids to Grayworld. Mr. Chameleon manages to succeed in banishing the entire staff as well as two other students, Dustin and Marty.

Thalia comes in to rescue the two as Mr. Chameleon is also inside. He orders the Gray kids to attack them but they are able to rescue Dustin and Marty and escape Grayworld. They then trap Mr. Chameleon inside the place for him to be stuck there for all eternity along with the kids he banished.

Does He have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Now the reason the original Mr. Chameleon doesn't count, from what I have heard, is that he doesn't have any personality due to not showing up except for a brief cameo at the end. However in the game that is a completely different story. He is given a massive role with entire scenes dedicated to exactly what he is doing with him getting tons of dialogue and more than enough personality. He isn't exactly a complex character but he does have for sure enough to qualify as a CM.

With that out of the way, there isn't really anything to talk about in the game itself. There is one moment when his shadow suggests expanding their Grayworld operations to the entire world and Mr. Chameleon doesn't know if it would be a good idea. Though this is not out of genuine standards, he simply thinks it would be too much work.

Does He meet the Heinousness Standard?

I would say he does quite easily. He is responsible for banishing an entire school full of children to Greyworld and plans to repeat this process on a brand new school, as well as banishing the staff so he can keep going as the principal.

What happens to these kids in Grayworld is beyond horrifying, they are trapped for decades unable to age or die slowly going completely insane from the experience. It is shown that in the present the kids are so broken that they mindlessly listen to every command Mr. Chameleon gives them and attacks anyone who comes in. They are also already so broken from this that they can't be saved and had to be trapped along with Mr. Chameleon which just adds to how horrible this crime is. Mr. Chameleon may not have any kills but the sheer level of horrifying this is, is more than enough for him to pass the baseline.

When it comes to competition. There are many other events based on the books but much like the books there is little connection or continuity between them and even if they were Mr. Chameleon's crimes are easily distinct enough. In the actual event, he does work with a shadow but that is what he describes as his own shadow so it's more of just an extension of his crimes as it's literally just him, think of it like Dr. Facilier.

Final Verdict?

Solid yes in my eyes.

Hmm, I did an EP for JC way back in the day, and there was a scene that legitimately gave me and the rest of the thread some pause.

It happens right after he strangles Paisley and he seems legitimately shocked that he killed her. He did intend to strangle her, but he realizes she's actually dead, he starts begging her to answer him.

Granted, it's been a while since I've seen the film, but here's the scene I'm talking about (starts around 4:25)

I won't object if he goes up, but count me as an abstain for now.

Alright I decided to a little rewrite for my very first approved CM, especially since it contained some misinformation as well. Here's the original entry:

• Dayshift at Freddy's: Dr. Henry Miller is a dangerous Serial Killer and Mad Scientist who killed numerous kids in his own pizzeria and put their souls into machines, torturing them to be obedient, in the hope of having a soul helping him to pass the barrier that divides the living world from the afterlife. Henry manipulates his own "partner" William Afton into helping him, arranging his horrible fate in a suit to make him a murdering monster and causing a multitude of deaths throughout the Freddy Fazbender locations, eventually damning numerous souls and causing more destruction. In the "Evil Route", Henry possesses Jack, making him insult and then brutally kill William/Dave, to continue his killing spree.

• Dayshift at Freddy's: Dr. Henry Miller is a dangerous Serial Killer and Mad Scientist who killed numerous kids in his own circus and pizzeria and put their souls into machines in the hope of having a soul helping him to pass the barrier that divides the living world from the afterlife. Henry manipulates his own "partner" William Afton into helping him, only to then arrange his horrible fate in a suit, conducting horrible experiments on him when William comes Back from the Dead, and causing a multitude of deaths throughout the Freddy Fazbender locations, eventually damning numerous souls and causing more destruction. In the "Evil Route", Henry possesses Jack after the latter kills William, intending to continue his killing spree.

Yes to Ordeaux's. Always nice to catch a nasty villain in one version who couldn't count in another, good work!

Unfortunately unless there's more to the case of him not caring I'm gonna have to concur with chase's initial assessment on JC. He looks horrified of what he did to me there.

Yes to Chameleon.

Nox: Drafts please.

Man that sucks as he seems like a vile scumbag but I have to switch to a on JC with that.

Chameleon

JC

Abstain for Patsy

So next I'm doing the The Power of Five series, where I have 2 candidates to propose, and one to cut I'm afraid.

• Colton Banes is an assassin for Nightrise hired to track down Jamie and Scott, two of "The Five". When Jamie escapes Colton kills "Uncle Don", the stage manager they were staying, and his wife to pin the rap on Jamie. When he and his partner Kyle Hovey report back to Susan Mortlake, she has Colton strangle Kyle. Colton does this immediately and without remorse, stating the he always hated Kyle. When Jamie tries to scan him to find Scott's location, he sees, in addition to Colton's other crimes, memories of a girl locked in a battered trailer with puncture wounds. When Jamie tries to go to prison under an alias, he is caught and one the guards reports him to Colton. Colton tells the guard to turn off the air conditioning in the cell, which the guard does reluctantly. During the raid on the prison Colton shoots Jamie in the back.

So Banes is certainly a sadistic prick with no redeeming qualities, the thing is I just don't think he passes the heinous standard.

So he has 3 confirmed murders, a vague number of past murders, vague memory if a battered woman, one Frame-Up on Jamie and having him cook in his cell. That's not a lot, and compare to a few other servants of the Old Ones: one tries to cause nuclear meltdown large enough to destroy England (I'm gonna be proposing him soon), his boss has dozens of kids abducted so she can experiment on them and tortures Scott to break him, another has a bunch of his followers killed or taken to be turned into monsters, one nerve gasses a whole neighborhood. He does have less resources than them, but here's someone with even less resources than him: Matt's demented aunt Gwenda.

Gwenda is corrupted by the Old Ones to try to kill Matt, and armed with only a wood axe, steals a fuel truck and crashes it into Matt's school, causing it to explode. Now Matt had a vision and managed to make sure the school was evacuated, but its explicitly clear that if he hadn't hundreds of children would've died. So a character with absolutely fuck all for resources knowingly nearly torched several hundred school children.

So in terms of cruelty Susan has a lot more torture than him, and in terms of body count he's laughably outmatched. Banes just can't compete.

Also before anyone askes, no Gwenda doesn't count, she was manipulated and corrupted into doing it, she was reluctant to do it only going through it when they whispered "We're so disappointed Gwenda, just do it" into her ear, and when she steals the truck she liked the driver so she decided to only knock him out instead out killing him.

Edited by Agentofchaos on May 1st 2022 at 4:59:41 AM

Yeah, I guess that does narrowly disqualify JC.

Edited by Javertshark13 on May 1st 2022 at 5:00:11 AM

@ACW Sorry, there we go.

Yes to Mr. Chameleon.

Oh for God's sake, it's Patsy! Yes to her there, I've seen the film and I think there's enough for her with the role she's playing.

Nay to JC, but sure to Chameleon.

Who originally did Colton Banes?

randomtroper89

I know I promised Department of Investigation had no more candidates, but I rewatched anotehr episode with candidate I was almost certain didn't count... but maybe?

Who is Wiktor Matczak?

He is a journelist but secretly he is another serial killer nicknamed "Nożownik" (cuttthroat). He stalks lonely women, befriends them, starts "dating" them before taking them to the forest where he stabs them 13 times and sometimes rapes them. He has done it to three women in only 3 weeks. It's reveleaed that he had done it to three more in a different town. And when his room is explored we see MANY pictures of women brutally slaughtered. We also see a dead body in the stove. Police officer wrestles with him and Wiktor slips on the stairs and dies.

Heinous?

Now, this is getting tough. He isn't the only serial killer in the show. There is Adam Mielik who is listed and there is Witold Tarasiuk whom we cut since he only had 2 confirmed kills and one attempted. And there is another guy who kidnapped few women and they all escaped. Only one he succeeded killing. So considering quantity of serial killers, this might be tough. Though, considering he and Mielik have far more succeded killings and bigger bodycount from others, I say he might stand out. Plus, he stabs them 13 times so I say that's brutal (Mielik was choking them with rope). There is also his attempted murder of female cop at the end.

Verdict?

Very tentative yes.

Edit: Not sure if he counts but in case he does, here is the writeup. If he is downvoted, the writeup can always be ignored.

• "Nożownik" ("Cutthroat"): Wiktor Matczak nicknamed "Nożownik" (Cutthroat) is a journalist during the day and serial killer in his spare time. He befriends lonely young women and starts "dating" them and later he takes them to the forest where he rapes them and stabs them 13 times. He has done it a lot of times and collects images of the various serial killings he committed. When police officer Joanna Czechowska deduces Wiktor's identity as Nożownik, he attempts to murder he too, before slipping on stairs and dying.

Edited by emperors on May 1st 2022 at 5:09:42 AM

Thoughts about the Henry rewrite?

Rewrite works and I'll say yeah there emperors but with such a short EP and noted concerns about heinousness I'll ask if we already did a full sweep of the others listed? This guy seems quite brutal.

mallus (though getting defeated by a giant stuffed bear is one the most humorous defeats for a cm), Star Wars duo and mr. chameleon (always knew there were more goosebumps candidates)

Abstain on patsy

cj, damn so close