Complete Monster Proposal Thread

Oh right for that kind of low key family drama. Fletcher is fine imo.

Actually does baran know taht. As I'll flip if he does.

Sayoko and Fletcher

Edit: Prince Hugo

Edited by jlvs200s on Feb 5th 2024 at 6:45:55 PM

Next from The Saint newspaper strip from Scrags!

What has Prince Hugo done?

• The Usurper of the fictional country of Valdor (and villain of the storyline also called "Valdor") Hugo is a shining example of Aristocrats Are Evil. The "most unscrupulous man in all of Valdor," Hugo seeks to inherit his country's throne over his good-hearted cousin Prince Paul. Not even out of any misplaced patriotism or anything, but sheer greed: "Hugo has expensive tastes—and the principality of Valdor is worth at least one million dollars a year!"
• To this end, Hugo assassinates Paul by having the latter's private airliner shot down. Hugo also targets Paul's daughter, Princess Elaine, and tries to kill her in a way that's overkill: he has his minions sneak a bomb on a commercial airliner filled with dozens of other innocent people, intending to blow up the plane and everyone on it an hour after departure, solely to kill Elaine. Simon throws the bomb off the plane seconds before it explodes.
• Hugo tops himself again when it's revealed he has his own Secret Police and secret prison, which he gleefully uses to "disappear" multitudes of his own subjects for Cold-Blooded Torture and execution. Hugo plans to have Simon imprisoned here, keeps a treacherous female minion in line by threatening this fate for her brother, and he eventually orders that all of Elaine's loyal servants, plus over half-a-dozen witnesses to his evil, all be arrested and placed into the secret prison to await their fates.
• Unfortunately for the Prince, Simon exposes him to the nation with an Engineered Public Confession. At the end of his rope, Hugo challenges Simon to a duel to the death, figuring Simon will be an easy target. Instead, Simon kicks his ass. Hugo tries to goad Simon into finishing him to avoid the indignity of a public trial, but Simon spares him precisely so he can face everything he deserves in a court of law.

• Zilch.

• One of the perishingly few villains in the strip capable of meeting Zoran for attempted body count. Hugo is using his resources for everything they're worth, and he racks up a lot of varied cruelties for a one-shot villain, from trying to blow up a plane full of people to kill one woman, or revealing he has his own dedicated secret police and torture chamber, really, there's nothing to say I haven't already.

Edited by Ravok on Feb 5th 2024 at 10:37:48 AM

Prince Hugo

Hugo

Hugo

@ mir and Emperor Geode, nah Baran is in the dark, he doesn't even know his boss aboard his ship.

I can propose the isolationist after work though.

Yes to Hugo.

Edited by Overlord on Feb 5th 2024 at 9:50:59 AM

Yes to Hugo. How many more from the franchise?

EDIT: Wet, in that case, I'll give a weak yes. Assuming it's clear this Gorgon's the leader.

Edited by ACW on Feb 5th 2024 at 1:37:41 PM

Neil and Hugo

@ACW: Should be 5 more, I believe.

• Tom Sawyer (2000): Injurin' Joe is a savage criminal known and feared as a "cold-blooded killer" who will "gouge out the eyes and tear off the arms" of anyone who crosses his path. Introduced terrorizing a church to steal its poor box, Joe later forces the dimwitted Mutt Potter to dig up treasure for him, and when Deputy Bean tries to rightfully claim the treasure for the county, Joe responds by cruelly murdering Bean then framing Mutt to hang for the killing. When Tom and Huck accidentally witness the crime, Joe kidnaps their beloved frog Rebel as a hostage so he can try to kill the kids to prevent them from saving Mutt. Even when the truth is revealed, Joe attacks Tom and Becky out of sheer spite, trying to tear them to pieces while their loved ones watch.

Edited by Ravok on Feb 5th 2024 at 10:43:58 AM

About how populated is the colony in question? You said it is full of people, but I want a more specific estimation.

for Sayoko, Niel Fletcher and Prince Hugo.

for Baran.

Hugo

for Fox, Napier, Pluto, Rago, Gorgon, Fletcher, Sayoko, and Hugo.

for Baran.

I feel like Fletcher going up is kind of undervaluing this trope. I have seen villains in film's of his type handily do worse. Just my opinion though.

@ACW The nuns are directly brainwashed by that Gorgon, once the Gorgon gets petrified, their minds return to normal.

In honor of Lord Barkis Bittern's possible re-proposal (I really hope so), here's my first proposal here. I hope tropers like it. In the cleanup thread, I suggested removing the Bloody Fox from Bloody Knights. The problem was that her worst crime was not in the game, her actions were not given enough attention, she did not stand out among the vampires, she was not treated as a CM, another CM was superior to her in all respects despite having fewer resources and she sincerely thanked for the release, and also fulfilled her promise to tell the other vampires that Jeremy, one of the two main characters, is one of them. As a result, she found herself infinitely far from the CM. But there is another villain in the game who does not have these problems and has compelling arguments for himself.

==What is the work?==

Bloody Knights is an Action RPG computer game with elements of Hack and Slash, developed by Deck 13 and released in 2013.

The game takes place during the Middle Ages, somewhere around the 16th century. In the past, vampires dominated humanity and kept people as slaves. However, over time, people began to increase in number and as a result, humanity was able to fight back against the vampires. Thus, begins a long war between humans and vampires. The plot revolves around a powerful artifact, the Bloody Seal, which can change both the outcome of the entire war and the balance of the world itself. The main characters are a man named Jeremy, the captain of the Holy Order and the vampire Alice. As fate would have it, their souls were bound together by the priest Bartholomew as a last chance after the order lost many people when they stormed the Sanctuary where the Blood Seal is located to protect it from vampires. But having reached the Seal and after fatally wounding one of the vampire commanders, the latter manages to turn Jeremy into one of them. The Blood Seal is stolen, which leads to the splitting of the Moon and the appearance of dangerous tides. Jeremy and Alice are left for dead for being vampires, but they survive and escape, intending to find the Blood Seal.

Throughout the game, Jeremy and Alice will find themselves in various dangerous and interesting situations, facing various threats. Since they both share one body and if one of them dies, then 2 will die at once, Jeremy and Alice must work together to survive on the outskirts of Bavaria, along the way fighting both humans and vampires, as well as creatures, hostile to both sides. And most importantly, they both will have to change their views and realize, that both on the part of vampires and on the part of people there is good and evil, in particular, they both (especially Jeremy) understand that not all vampires are evil and dangerous, also that even such sadistic vampires as Bloody Fox are capable of goodness and compassion , but at the same time, they both also understand that people themselves can be incredibly cruel, depraved and monstrous. A striking example of which is our candidate.

Who is the First Paladin and what have he done?

The best warrior of Rome, the strongest knight of the First Roman Army and a minister of the church, who is also something like both the commander-in-chief of the army of Rome and the leader of the church, here according to Jeremy, Paladin had already met Jeremy and according to Jeremy, "Paladin was an ass." So, yes, even long before his evil, Paladin did not seem to be a particularly good person.

For one reason or another, people began to lose faith in the teachings of the Church, which Paladin did not like. Having heard about the Bloody Seal, Paladin began to make his own plans for it, wanting to bring people back under the influence of the church... by any means necessary. Unseen for most of the game, Paladin takes matters into his own hands when Bartholomew informs him that the vampires have the Blood Seal and are about to summon a powerful demon to help them enslave humanity again.

The Paladin collects on the entire First Roman Army and makes it to the top of the mountain where the demon was summoned. Having found Bartholomew, Jeremy and Alice, the Paladin thanks the priest for finding the Seal and orders him to give the Seal to him, although Bartholomew was going to deliver the artifact to Rome himself, but the Paladin notes that Rome thinks differently. When Bartholomew asks about his companions, Jeremy and Alice, the Paladin is indignant with these words, saying that their place is in the fire, threatening Bartholomew with the same fate if he called them companions again. Feeling that he does not have good intentions, Bartholomew gives the Seal to Jeremy and Alice and asks them to return it to its place in order to restore the Moon and the balance of the world, while he himself will try to delay the Paladin and his army as long as possible, noting that the Paladin they will all be killed if they linger. The Paladin mocks the priest, finding his "futile attempts" funny. To which Bartholomew responds, preparing for battle, as the vampires flee:

Bartholomew: Victory will you come at a high price...Deceitful Roman knight.

Having seemingly killed Bartholomew off-screen, the Paladin pursues Jeremy and Alice until they reach the Sanctuary, the location from which the Seal was taken. Ordering his troops to kill Jeremy and Alice and take the Seal, Paladin eventually reaches the crypt. Jeremy and Alice fight their way through Rome's best soldiers and also reach the crypt, where they come face to face with the Paladin.

Paladin and Jeremy exchange words about their pasts and Paladin notes that if Jeremy were the same person, he would throw himself into the fire instead of drinking the blood of his former colleagues. Jeremy might note that he didn't become a vampire by choice and the Paladin knows that (while the Paladin notes that there is always a choice and that Jeremy should have thrown himself into the fire) or that he has realized that not all vampires are monsters. Paladin angrily remarks that Jeremy has gone soft and that he is a disgrace to Rome, and Paladin is more than happy to finish him off. If you ask why he doesn't want to return the Seal, then the Paladin's true intentions will be revealed and how low he is willing to fall for the sake of power and control.

Jeremy: Tell me, why don't you want to return the seal to its rightful place?

Paladin: RETURN the seal? I WILL DESTROY her and unleash a Flood that Noah never dreamed of!

Jeremy: But why, paladin? You will kill millions of people!

Paladin: And will return the survivors to the fold of the church. People have lost faith. Then instill the fear of God in their souls!

Jeremy: Rome is ready to sacrifice the lives of thousands - no, millions? In order to revive faith in people? This is madness!

Paladin: There is no faith without sacrifice. You are a vampire. You can't understand.

Jeremy: I understand very well. No matter who I am, I can still tell the difference between good and evil. I will end things with you and return the seal to its place.

So yes, Paladin's true intention was to destroy the seal, which would cause the Flood to fall upon the entire world, killing millions of innocent men, women and children, to then provide refuge for the survivors and either convince or force people to believe in the Church again. And Paladin will probably also want humanity to be restored under the leadership of the church. Horrified and disgusted, Jeremy and Alice refuse to give the Seal to the Paladin and engage him in battle for the fate of the whole world.

Having received some injury, Paladin offers Jeremy one last chance to renounce "evil" and repent of his sins, bringing Castello as his executioner. Once he is finally killed, Paladin angrily activates his powers and rushes at Jeremy and Alice, trying to kill them. to destroy the Seal and free the Flood. Eventually, after a difficult battle, the Paladin is defeated and his shield are destroyed. The First Paladin boasts that they cannot kill him since he is under the protection of Rome. Unfortunately for him, Bartholomew comes up behind him, having survived the battle with him, and cuts the Paladin's throat, causing Rome's greatest knight to fall and eventually be completely destroyed, saving the entire world from the second Flood. And although the Seal is eventually destroyed anyway, Luna heals herself, and Jeremy and Alice go looking for a magician who will make Jeremy human again, along the way, looking for new adventures and fighting for both people and vampires.

Emollient qualities?

He acts as if causing the Flood is a necessary evil. But the only ones who will benefit from causing a catastrophe for the whole world are him and the church. Neither the story itself, nor the Paladin himself even pretends that he has any good intentions and his goal is purely selfish. The game does not explain why people began to lose faith in the Church, perhaps it was the fault of the Church itself, but whatever the reason, Paladin had other means to regain people's trust. Instead, he decides to choose the worst way to solve his problem, not caring about the countless deaths around the world.

Compare this to a group of vampires (there is no specific vampire who summons a demon, as Robert said) who summon a demon to save their race from humans. It's not about a sense of superiority, but about caring for one's race. The Ra'osh demon may also be a good fit, as he seems more sincere when explaining his goal to Jeremy and Alice and is clearly unhappy when they confront him. Maybe he just took over the vampires' purpose, but he seems to care too much about the vampires' purpose to say that for him it's just an order. In any case, even the demon seems more honorable than the Paladin ever was.

He reminds Jeremy that he was a legend, but in his tone, he scoffs more, especially noting that he was a legend when he was alive, to which Jeremy notes that Paladin was still an asshole, in fact the game is straight to say that Paladin is just making fun of Jeremy. He offers Jeremy one last chance to renounce evil and repent, but this “mercy” is no different from Bellroc’s “mercy” towards Jim. Just an attempt to convince the hero to give up so that it will be easier to achieve his goal. Moreover, when surrendering, the hero will still be killed. Moreover, it is implied that the reason why Paladin brought Castello was solely to mock Jeremy. And although after Castello’s death, the Paladin shouts, “No.” What have you done?", it is clear that this is not out of concern. Next, Paladin activates his powers and shouts that it is time to end. It is clear from his tone and words that he is simply angry that Jeremy and Alice are still alive and not shows not an iota of concern for Castello.

Otherwise, no. He has no problem killing other people, as he threatens Bartholomew with fire and then tries to kill him. And here, by his tone and words, he just seems to hate vampires because of racism, not because of what they did. Even when he arrives and should have realized that Jeremy and Alice helped save humanity, he still tries to kill them, mocking Jeremy and trying to convince him to give up because he is "evil." Even though his actions and himself are far, far worse than Alice and Jeremy combined have ever been. Hypocrite meets Holier Than Thou.

Disgusting standard?

Worst in the game along with Medea. The number of deaths he plans to cause and the scale of his evil is unparalleled. And while it's basically one act, it's a rare case where a villain crosses a single MEH, but that MEH is so terrifying and monstrous that it easily allows the villain to be quite terrifying. In this regard, he is very similar to Admiral Lucius Kobel from Red Faction Guerlla. They both perform basically the same action, but this action involves mass murder on a planetary scale, and if Kobel's plan would have killed somewhere around thousands, then Paladin's plan would have killed at least millions. And unlike the Kobel, the Paladin also has a nasty "Kick the Dog" about the threat to Bartholomew by burning. If the admiral could pass the standard, then the Paladin even more so can.

And although Rome is mentioned, there is nothing, nothing, no facts or evidence that the Paladin was ordered to cause the Flood. The entire game doesn't even hint that this is anyone's plan other than the Paladin himself. Considering that he is technically the head of the church, then technically from the side of the church he is Rome itself. In any case, this is too vague and foggy, and given that after the death of the Paladin, his troops scatter, I think we can confidently and comfortably attribute the Flood plan solely to the Paladin.

The only thing worth talking about is that he is taking steps, because the main reason why Robert did not decide to offer he was that he failed to kill millions. After all, if the villain doesn't take steps to carry out his intentions, there is no weight and therefore it's just a terrible plan on paper. As is already clear from the plot, Paladin is not like that. He actually takes steps to cause the Flood. He arrives with his army, demands that Batholomew give him the Seal, attacks him when he hands it over to Jeremy and Alice, chases them, orders his troops to take the Seal from them, tries to convince Jeremy to give the artifact to him, offers him one last chance and tries twice kill. He's not just some vague threat who claims to want to bring about a catastrophic event that will kill a lot of people. The Paladin really does everything possible to make the Flood happen. Compare again with Ra'osh, who simply appears, explains his purpose and motives, and attacks the heroes. Paladin goes much further. So in the end there are no problems here.

And yes, Paladin's plan is much worse than Ra'osh and the vampires' plans. Those simply target people and then not everyone, while the Flood destroys people, vampires, werewolves and anyone else. Important survivors people for Paladin and Church, the rest in their eyes can die.

Verdict.

Keeper. Replacement for Bloody Fox.

Edited by Ghal-Sur on May 3rd 2024 at 12:43:30 PM

Could you please trim that? Or at least provide a summary? It's over 2,600 words.

Sorry, there was quite a lot of important stuff to cover. I shortened it a little, I'll continue tomorrow.

In short:The Paladin threatens Bartholomew with burning simply for calling the vampires Jeremy and Alice companions, and tries to destroy the Blood Seal, which will cause a Flood that will kill at least millions of people. Worst in the game along with Medya. Takes steps to implement his plan.

Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist, doesn't care about Castello and is angry because the heroes are still alive, his mention of Jeremy being a legend is just a mockery, all the facts indicate that the Flood plan belongs solely to the Palatine, his attempt to convince Jeremy giving up is simply a relief to achieve his goal. Hypocrite with Holier Than Thou elements

Edited by Ghal-Sur on Feb 5th 2024 at 2:14:27 AM

paladin

First Paladin

Appreciated. If the Paladin's aware that the flood will kill many, sure to him.

What’s taking so long with the arcade write up?

You did the proposal, so you write it

Here are the other pendings (still waiting for the potholed Uranos to be added to the Drafts):

• The Bill: Craig Sutton (Atlantis)
• The Foreigner (2017): Hugh McGrath (Atlantis)
• Pete (Crow)
• Manhunt: Nasty (Crow)
• Ozark: Carlos (moctezuma)
• Taxi Driver (2021): Bishop (Rm74)