Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
- Dragon Ball: 15,146 characters
- FNAF: 11,546
- Godzilla: 7,860
- Harry Potter: 10,189
- Marvel: 14K? (including Cavella)
- Naruto: 10,671
- Transformers: 7,735
Dragon Ball has the most characters, while Marvel is close and is organized in folders. I'd say those two first. We'll need page quotes though.
I'd rather due FNAF after some of the smaller ones if possible since the former is the Fan Games image.
Edited by ACW on Jan 10th 2024 at 4:13:03 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Cut Boss and personally I'd be comfortable with saying we've got a strong present consensus to cut Kor.
Showtime!
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Any other thoughts, or am I good to pull him from the sandbox?
Side note but the discussion I thought would be coming forth relevant to Nicky hasn't yet... I'll just leave it at between his various issues and honestly it being questionable if he really meets the heinous standard, he needs to be cut imo.
Lord of Space
Current entry:
- Cult of the Lamb: Midas is the greedy worshipper of unknown gods related to fortune and riches who turned various people into golden statues, leaving them alive and aware. Clearly having no respect towards the Lamb, Midas assists and rewards them only to satisfy his own greed.
My proposal:
- Cult of the Lamb: Midas is the greedy worshipper of unknown gods related to fortune and riches. Having turned various people into golden statues, leaving them alive and aware, Midas has the Lamb give him four of their followers to put them through the same fate, rewarding the cult leader only out of pragmatism and not hesitating to attack them when he decides to steal their money.
Cut Boss.
Also, not familiar with Punisher, but leaning towards cutting Nicky Cavella, mostly because of his past, but I would like to ask, which characters does he possibly fail the heinous standard to who have done worse than him?
Edited by WatTambor on Jan 10th 2024 at 1:02:26 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Yeah I am cool with splitting Dragon Ball and Marvel.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 10th 2024 at 4:05:08 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Rawlins kills at least dozens; Barracuda has a shitload of crimes even if his body count isn't as high; the Slavers are vile human traffickers...plus, Cavella's not even an average Joe; he's a high-ranking Mafia Don. In a vacuum he'd probably count; MAYBE even in mainstream Punisher. But for MAX...
Edited by ACW on Jan 10th 2024 at 5:19:16 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
RIP Toriyama
Yeah I earnestly think there's an argument to be made for Nicky not living up to the standard, killing his family is nasty but besides that he mostly "only" kills law enforcement or fellow mobsters, in a vacuum it'd be more than enough but Punisher MAX is a dark, dark world with lunatics like 'Cuda, the Slavers, Bullseye, Kingpin...
Yes, pull Kor from the sandbox, the cut votes are more than enough.
Edited by Ravok on Jan 10th 2024 at 2:26:45 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Woagh
Not the Eye
Cut Nicky
The Draftsman of Doom
Cut Nicky based on Ravok's arguments in addition to the questionable backstory details.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 10th 2024 at 5:31:44 AM
Feels good, don't it?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Hell, you don't even need to go beyond Ennis's run. And while possibly killing a child is bad, so did the Slavers. Man of Stone too (dude's somewhat of a WIE, and hates Rawlins).
Though going beyond Ennis, there's Jigsaw, who's at a roughly similar resources level, but with many deaths.
I'm fine cutting Cavella.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Cut Nicky for Heinousness issues.
Theirs also bullseye who does from whay ive heard some super fucked up stuff for a random Hitman.
Cut Nicky, glad this case got sorted out
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Ravok mentioned Bullseye ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
Yeah, he's even more fucked up than usual, but was cut because of a...weird scene with Vanessa Fisk.
BTW, Smug Snake is the current pothole for Rawlins. That work?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Showtime!
Lucas the Dreamer
I think I got a few details wrong in my EP for The High Wills but I don't think it warrants a cut. I stated that they created The Grievous Miracle but the story leaves it vague if they did or if it came about on it's own. However all this really changes is that they're merely exploiting the suffering it causes for their own gain, rather than being the ones who created the curse in the first place. The writeup will need to be edited though.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
Vouching for TIO as well since I played Piggy a lot before I switched to other Roblox games, still have a lot of good memories for it.
Feel free to add those details if they're important.
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Jan 10th 2024 at 2:51:21 AM
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Huh I guess cut Nicky, was gonna ask about the cannibalism stunt he pulls on the guy eating his son but it says Barracuda is hinted to be a cannibal?
Also watching Love And Monsters so I'll get back to you guys about Cap (since he's a guy that was listed up by G)
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
RIP Toriyama
I'd say that works for Rawlins. As for new quotes, here's some potentials:
Tiberiu: (To kill) the others.
Cristu: Why, exactly? Kill one as an example and let the rest go, lesson learned. If you kill them all, who will carry the message to the next gang that comes along?
Tiberiu: You are an old woman, Cristu. I am not. That's the message. That's the lesson. Learn it well.
Edited by Ravok on Jan 10th 2024 at 2:53:05 AM
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
I like the 2nd one the most!
Lucas the Dreamer
Fixed Writeup.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Jan 10th 2024 at 6:05:43 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Agree, Marvel and Dragon Ball are most obvious choices for getting their own pages.