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nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#1: Nov 14th 2022 at 3:01:17 AM

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Personal Dictionary is currently a Definition-Only Page due to a decision by site founder Fast Eddie, who declared that examples "just devolve into complaints". There were both real-life and in-universe examples, and only the former one had complaining. The decision seemed to be only for on-page examples, so there's no wick check.

Here are the examples that were removed:

[[folder: Fictional Examples]] Literature

  • Deconstructed in The Unbearable Lightness Of Being, where a few chapters, labeled "A Short Dictionary of Misunderstood Words," center around the different connotations and meanings certain words have to certain characters, and how these slightly different meanings lead to relationship problems.

Live-Action TV

  • In a rare example of using this other than as a logical fallacy, there's an episode of Friends in which Monica gets angry at Chandler for describing their relationship as "just goofing around" and he placates the argument by saying what that means in his dictionary.
  • In the Babylon 5 episode "Voices of Authority", Political Officer Julie Musante claims that Earth has no problems with homelessness, unemployment, crime, or prejudice:
    Sheridan: And when, exactly, did all this happen?
    Musante: When we rewrote the dictionary.

Web Comics

Western Animation

  • Futurama: 'Odelay' is a word! Just look it up in the Becktionary! ... No, the rhyming Becktionary!

     Non-Fictional Examples 
People
  • Terry Goodkind (author of Sword of Truth) thinks the definition of "fantasy" is a lack of philosophical discussions and ideas, when all the rest of us thought that such a lack defined "light fiction", while "fantasy" defined a setting. Now while definitions combine the two, fantasy has not been automatically light fiction since The Lord Of The Rings.
  • Paul Erdös, though it was simply his idiosyncratic word choice rather than an attempt to obfusicate matters. For a sampling:
    • Children are "epsilons," women "bosses," men "slaves."
    • People who leave mathematics "die," while those who die "leave."
    • Giving mathematics lectures is "preaching," while oral exams are "torture."
    • The USA was "samland," the USSR "joedom," and Israel "israel."
  • In Future on Ice, Orson Scott Card said that although Isaac Asimov didn't believe in God, he wrote some very religious stories. From the context, Card was apparently using "religious" to mean "philosophical," which has some interesting implications if he's not the only one to use the word that way.
    • Alternately, he might have been using "religious" to mean "about religion" rather than "expressing belief in religion". That's not exactly the same as the usual meaning of the word "religious", but it's probably too close for this trope. "I, Robot" alone includes a story where hyperspace actually causes a near-death experience (with one astronaut seeing a brief vision of the afterlife), and another where robots worshiped the hardware they maintain like a god.
  • Freud's works are notoriously difficult to translate: given his fondness for neologisms, and for using other words to mean just what he chose them to mean.
  • Stephenie Meyer and "chagrin".
    • Also, "vegetarian".
  • Before 2006, the word "planet" referred to any nonluminous, spherical celestial body that is orbiting a star. After 2006, the IAU came up with a new definition for "planet": a large celestial body that is completely spherical, is orbiting a star, and has cleared its vicinity of any foreign debris. As a result one planet had to be removed from the official roster...
  • While they still referred "princess" as a female authority figure that is either the daughter of a king or queen or the wife of a prince, starting in 1985 Disney actually came up with their own definiton of that same word: a female authority figure that is either the daughter of a king or queen or the wife of a prince, has animals for companions, is the star of a musical, and must be a financial success.
    • Fortunately, Disney does not have its own definition of "villain."

Politics

  • Politicians. And journalists. And pundits. Basically, everyone involved in political commentary in any way. And they wonder why so many people are apathetic. Do not go into anything specific someone said.
  • The political denotations "right" and "left" tend to mean "against my views" or "for my views", interchangeably, depending on who is using them.
    • Similarly, if you ask people in Europe what "right" and "left" mean, you'll get a vastly different answer than someone from the United States.
  • The way a lot of people—on either side—talk about "tolerance", you'd think the root word was "accept" or "agree," not "tolerate."
  • The 1967-74 Greek military junta had one so extensive and consistent, it got its own Wikipedia article.

Religion

  • Is Christianity a religion or not? It depends on who you ask. Many Christians insist that it's not a religion, and that they are not "religious", but instead are "spiritual" or "faithful". This has actually resulted in online arguments between Christians and other faiths, with Christians saying things like "You follow a religion. I follow the word of God" or "As a Christian, I follow no religion."
re·li·gion
noun /riˈlijən/ 

1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
2. Details of belief as taught or discussed
3. A particular system of faith and worship
4. A pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

  • Right now, a group of people in Oklahoma are arguing that Islam is a political philosophy, not a religion, and therefore a mosque that's about to be built should not get the tax-exempt status afforded to religion.
  • Creationists have a surprisingly large Personal Dictionary that contains definitions you'd never find in a peer-reviewed scientific publication. And their use of more common words is just as abysmal. As Isaac Asimov put it: "Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."

Internet

  • Have you ever been on a message board, and corrected someone on a definition, and they use this trope and end with "I would call that X,"? Well they "would call" the sky green, but it's not going to magically change it.
  • Never, for any reason, in any situation, start a discussion of the definition of "atheist" versus "agnostic". Unless you want to reduce the Internet to radioactive vapor.
  • This post from engadget about Toshiba making a blu-ray player: "Japan's own Yomiuri is reporting today that Toshiba is expected to finally admit defeat". How the hell does discontinuing the rival product the previous year not count as admitting defeat?
  • What's a Casual or Hardcore game, what even qualifies as a game to begin with? Who's a "Gamer", who isn't? Heck, even at lower levels, what's a "real" RPG?
  • Don't bring up the topic of what is or isn't an Otaku online.
  • What is meant by "Geek" and "Nerd", and their differences (or lack thereof) differs widely for whoever uses the words.
  • Extends into the real world as well, but "irony" at this point has the same meaning as pretty much every adjective.
  • When a fan-film or parody is put up online and becomes popular, someone will inevitably declare that it's more "original" than X amount of Hollywood's output. Despite the fact that a parody or fan-film is derivative by definition.
    • There's also the gamer definition of "original", which involves decrying game series like Call Of Duty as cookie-cutter, lauding series like Battlefield as innovative, and saying whatever hit indie game has a deliberately retro aesthetic or mechanics this week as refreshing, often insisting that more mainstream games should be as original as it, which is a double contradiction in terms.

Advertisement and Sales

  • Car manufacturers indulge in this a lot; "Hatchback" sounds cheap and basic to "Generation Jones"? "Wagon" reminds 35-50-year old women of vinyl-upholstered, wood-paneled Country Squires? "Minivan" makes young women fear they've turned into the very "suburban yuppie soccer moms" they've loathed all their life? Then let's try "crossover", or maybe just "five-door".

Tropes

  • The phrase "Mary Sue" tends to have a shifting Personal Definition that covers just about any character that somebody feels like complaining about. Uses as per its original meaning are rare.
    • Check out the page for a full discussion.
  • Wangst is also a highly subjective label. While some can listen to Linkin Park without feeling the slightest annoyance, others see a Stoic Woobie like Sousuke and immediately pounce on them for whining about their situation (whether there was actual whining or not).
  • Egregious. Which probably doesn't look like a word anymore to most Tropers - we have an article on it for a reason.

Seeing as there is zero complaining in the prior section, this trope should be taken off the Definition-Only page. [[/folder]]

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:05:10 PM

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#2: Nov 14th 2022 at 3:02:09 AM

Opening

EDIT: I am good with allowing for in-universe examples for this trope.

Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 14th 2022 at 7:26:06 AM

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#3: Nov 14th 2022 at 3:23:13 AM

Since the In-Universe examples were the ones without complaining, I believe this should be taken off Definition-Only and possibly made In-Universe Examples Only.

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#6: Nov 14th 2022 at 4:41:28 AM

[up]

Edited by Acebrock on Nov 14th 2022 at 4:41:41 AM

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#7: Nov 14th 2022 at 6:19:31 AM

Oh, right, I should probably link to this ATT query since it brought up the page and ended when I made a Word of Mod statement saying that while overturning Eddie's fiat isn't out of the question, it would need to go through TRS instead of ATT. And here we are!

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#14: Nov 14th 2022 at 5:31:00 PM

Tagged the page. While we have plenty of consensus to make it IUEO already, the fact that this is above the Not Thriving range despite being definition-only (having a small amount of wicks being something that normally isn't a problem with pages that don't allow examples) means the Three-Day Rule can't be waived for this one. (Though to be fair to the editors adding wicks, the fact that the statement that the page was defintion-only was buried in the page's source code until I made it more visible probably made it easy to miss.)

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#15: Nov 16th 2022 at 11:05:02 PM

Since the consensus hasn't changed since my previous post (regarding having to wait three days), calling in favor of making this IUEO and removing its definition-only status.

We can crosswick the examples the wick check picked up as a starting point for the reinstated on-page example list.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 16th 2022 at 1:05:58 PM

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#16: Nov 16th 2022 at 11:17:43 PM

Here are the wicks. We probably won't have to remove many of them (if we have to remove any at all), but crosswicking them to the on-page example list wouldn't hurt.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 17th 2022 at 2:08:22 PM

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#17: Nov 17th 2022 at 1:02:30 PM

Didn't take long, so locking up.

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