To-do list:

• Since Turtle Power is now a redirect to Index in a Half Shell, move any examples that fit other tropes on the latter, and remove any examples that are simply about turtles existing.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 4th 2022 at 5:52:08 AM

I am not sure if any of those turtle ideas are viable, so I am good with cutting.

Cut it out of its shell

Let's do what we did to Everythings Better With Llamas a bit ago and cut this.

Turtle soup, anyone?

In all seriousness, cut.

Time to shut down the turtle club and cut this.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 27th 2022 at 1:57:40 PM

I'm always down for a cut and the lack of tropeworthy ideas in the use makes this a good candidate

that said,this has 753 wicks. Should we try to preserve inbounds with a disambig?

Dunno what it could be disambiged between.

I don't either tbh. I was just bringing up the idea since preserving inbounds is often a high priority in these discussions

eta: there's the tropes on Index in a Half Shell

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 27th 2022 at 2:02:29 PM

I suppose we could redirect it to Reptile and Amphibian Tropes, though I have no problem with a full-fledged cut being on the table.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 27th 2022 at 1:01:05 PM

Wouldn't Index in a Half Shell be better?

That feels a little too small to deserve a whole index, but since it exists may as well redirect.

oh I have a whole rant about indices that have less than 12 items on them that were seemingly created "just because" defeating the purpose of having indices at all.

but since it exists, I'm ok with cutting wholesale and/or redirecting to that index

I'd rather just cut it

Going with the recent debate over usefulness of overly-specific indexes, I think just cutting this is the best option. Index in a Half Shell looks like it'd be a prime candidate for unneeded indexes given how small it is and the low inbound count.

Eh, if the index gets cut the redirect can, too.

I should say, I'm not against just cutting this outright... to me it doesn't make a massive difference.

same. I brought up disambig/redirect more so for consistency in policy than for any true desire from my part. I've just seen threads for tropes with much fewer wicks write off cutting entirely because of inbounds.

I was under the impression that that was a de facto policy tbh

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 28th 2022 at 3:02:58 PM

I'd prefer redirecting to Index in a Half Shell knowing it exists, but if that also gets cut, then we can compromise by going with my previous suggestion.

...That said, we could expand this thread's scope to include Index in a Half Shell since it's related and wouldn't take long to clean up. Should we do that?

Edit: Shell Tropes is also tiny, but I'm not sure if it has any redundancy issues like Index in a Half Shell has with Reptile and Amphibian Tropes.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 28th 2022 at 2:31:42 PM

So what you're saying is, we can make a disambig that's just a bunch of index links?

TBH, however we handle this is fine with me; cut, redirect, whatever, as long as the "trope" is gone.

Even though you're joking, transplanting the list on Index in a Half Shell to a disambiguated Turtle Power page (without the indexing since it wouldn't be an index) while primarily merging the former with Reptile and Amphibian Tropes and redirecting it there doesn't sound like a bad idea, considering how few tropes are listed on Index in a Half Shell.

(Getting flashbacks to when an image from the Crappy Image Pickin' thread actually ended up on the page it was for.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 28th 2022 at 3:07:41 AM

I mean, Index in a Half Shell is not even the only animal index on Animal Tropes that is around that size (Index in a Half Shell has 9 tropes). See also:

• Corvid Tropes (8 tropes) and This Index Quacks (10), both sub-indices of Avian Tropes
• Elephant Tropes (7)
• A Foxy Index (8)
• Dolphins, Dolphins Everywhere (10)

...etc. I'm not trying to say we have to address them all at once. I'm just pointing out that if we decide to cut Index in a Half Shell based on the logic of it not having enough tropes to warrant its existence, we'd be setting a new precedent for a lot of other cuts for indices down the line without having a formal/dedicated convo about that.

Which again, I'm personally all down for. I think index bloat is something we should be tackling. But I feel like this might be 1 of those things that could stir up... some feelings given how popular making such indices has been recently (for reference 3 of these indices including Index Ina Half Shell were made over the past year).

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 28th 2022 at 5:19:26 AM

I think other undercooked animal indexes would be better saved for a separate thread (possibly after being discussed on Wiki Talk). I made an exception to this for Index in a Half Shell because it's related to the original subject of this thread, and its small size means it isn't much more substantial than a disambiguation page in terms of how much is listed, meaning transplanting the list of pages on it to an actual disambiguation page would be painless.

Edit: Wow, I completely overlooked how recently some of those indexes were launched. I stopped posting in the TLP Crash Rescue thread after only posting in it for a while, but if I were still active, I would have questioned the creation of these pages due to a combination of redundancy with larger indexes and their existence leading to index bloat.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 28th 2022 at 4:39:29 AM

IIRC, Corvid Tropes was created because we had a "corvids exist" trope in the form of Ravens and Crows. The tropable concepts were split to Clever Crows, Creepy Crows, etc. and the original name was redirected to Corvid Tropes.

Using that precedent, we could probably just merge Turtle Power and Index in a Half Shell.