Ukraine War Cleanup

Go ahead. I think we should get rid of any Hindsight examples related to the war in Ukraine, similarly to what the site decided to do with Hindsight examples about Trump and other recent political figures around 2017 or so.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:37:10 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.

Found this gem on the real life section of last stand

The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine has some examples: On February 24, the 13 men of Ukrainian border guards on duty on Snake Island in the Black Sea found themselves facing down two Russian Navy warships, who demanded they surrender or face annihilation. With no help coming from Sevastopol or Odessa because of the main invasion forces cutting off support from the Ukrainian mainland, and being lightly armed, the border guards decided to go down fighting and told the warships, "Go fuck yourselves". All 13 were thought to be dead but turned up alive. Their heroism was honored with the highest award Ukraine could offer to their servicemen. The siege of Mariupol from February 24th to May 20th. By mid-April, the last pocket of organized Ukrainian resistance in the city consists of remnants of the Azov Battalion and the 36th Naval Infantry Brigade defending the Metallurgical Combine Azovstal steel rolling complex. They surrendered to the Russians on May 20th.

Yeah get rid of that.

That’s not all, the entire real life section is a complete mess

Edited by namra on May 24th 2022 at 11:34:16 AM

This is on TFWiki.net:

• Harsher in Hindsight: In their page about Europa 2000, they go into heavy speculation as to why the map doesn't conform to any actual maps that existed at the time. One such speculation was that Russia incorporated Ukraine (like the Soviet Union used to) onto itself, which becomes a bit harder to read taking into account of the 2022 Russo-Ukrainian War.

Harsher in Hindsight can't be applied to ongoing events, so that can also be removed.

I found this on Mildly Military:

• While Modern Russian Military always had cracks in unit cohesion and discipline, these problems came to the forefront during the 2022 Invasion of Ukraine. Due to the abusive nature of training and widespread discrimination, many Russian soldiers fail to develop genuine respect for their military, commanding officers and even fellow rank-and-file soldiers.^note In contrast, while Western military training is also harsh, recruits were taught to respect their superiors and fellow soldiers with diversity training enforced to prevent racial animosity that could undermine cooperation. Subsequently during the invasion, there were many reports of Russian soldiers looting stores, sabotaging their own equipment to avoid fighting and even surrendering to unarmed Ukrainians. It also doesn't help that many Russian conscripts belong to ethnic minorities like Buryats and Dagestanis who are routinely discriminated by non-Slavic Russians, leading to worsened cooperation in combined-arms combat.

remove it. while we're at it, we'll probably remove the entire real life section. also a possible rocej violation.

Edited by namra on Jun 12th 2022 at 1:51:51 AM

No need to kill the entire RL section - the other entries are fine.

I just noticed Belarus and Transnistria aren't locked. I personally wanted to edit Belarus a bit, but it would feel unfair since I'm not sure if you left them unlocked on purpose, or you forgot. What are you planning with the pages?

Edited by gc10 on Jun 17th 2022 at 12:10:58 PM

I think it was just an oversight. We didn't think about those pages at all. We just locked articles that were closely tied to Russia/Ukraine as a precaution. I wasn't the one who did most of the locking though. Those two pages seem fine so I think we can leave them alone.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 17th 2022 at 6:18:54 AM

Macron's notes

Got it. The fact is that also Kievan Rus' on precaution grounds even though the page barely had activity at all, so I wanted to be sure

I was reading through the Useful Notes section of Locked Pages, and started thinking it might be neater to give Ukraine War locks their own folder with more detailed reasoning in the header for all of them them besides just "temporarily locked due to the war."

I don't think they need their own section and we don't have a more detailed reason besides what's on the page already.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 1st 2022 at 8:58:57 AM

Macron's notes

I just noticed the following was added to LoopholeAbuse.Real Life Law by Dramatic:

• The Russian Invasion of Ukraine in 2022 was declared as a "special military operation", which means that on the legal front it isn't a war. That proved to create issues when the Russian military's poor logistical and mobilisation capacity was exposed, and the "special military operation" label meant that Russia couldn't legally activate its wartime production and conscription measures. This meant the Kremlin had to invent all sorts of workarounds to create pseudo-wartime mobilisation without declaring a war: Lowered Recruiting Standards, offering military service contracts automatically to people as soon as they become of-age, offering large financial incentives for joining the military^note a soldier's pay in the Russian military is very poor by Western standards, passing laws forcing Russian businesses to accept military supply contracts and allowing the government to dictate the working hours at those businesses, and so on.

Is this kosher?

Edited by SamCurt on Jul 1st 2022 at 5:54:07 AM

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certainly not. remove it. in fact, the entire real life section might use a massive cleanup.

Edited by namra on Jul 3rd 2022 at 9:45:15 AM

Removed.

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• Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy (Red) to Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin (Blue).

It was added March 15th 2022 which would likely make it in response to the war. It's also ZCE as to how they're this. Cut?

Yeah, I'd cut that.

Macron's notes

Found in YMMV.Doctor Lalve:

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: The ending of The Heavy Guide. After getting bonked on the shoulder by a Scout, Heavy retaliates by calling in the Russian Army, Navy and Air Force to kill the lone Scout. The scene unfortunately became prescient as of February 2022, when Russian president Vladimir Putin launched a large-scale invasion of Ukraine.

For extra points, the trope in question is a redirect to Harsher in Hindsight.

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That's Daytona levels of stretch. Blast it with a minigun.

This was just added to Main.Russia Is Western by Iridener as a sub-bullet to a point about Nazi Germany's description of Russia as "Asiatic":

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• Modern European far-rights that are not aligned with Putin's views or the whole Eurasian movement still have such "Russia is an Asiatic horde" views, which only exacerbated with the war in Ukraine.

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Apart from the noticeably poor grammar, what would be the best way to go about this? Should the mention of the War in Ukraine be trimmed while leaving out the rest or is it best to remove the point entirely?

Be kind.

get rid of the entire post. not only does it have poor grammar, it's factual accuracy is in question.

Edited by namra on Oct 26th 2022 at 7:53:53 AM

Alright, just did, citing this thread.

Be kind.

Found in YMMV.Irina The Vampire Cosmonaut:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The reveal that Zirnitran troops massacred Irina's home village and her parents is already harsher in hindsight in-universe, but in the real world? It's actually even more so ever since reports and accounts of war crimes such as civilian killings committed by Russian troops (Zirnitra is inspired by Soviet Russia, for reference) have come out of Ukraine in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Furthermore, Irina's hometown Lilitto, which is clearly the in-universe's Moldova judging by her surname and how Lilitto was part of Zirnitra as in-universe equivalent soviet republics, seems to have frosty relations with Russia as well as it pushes to establish close ties to the West.
  • The final shot of the anime showing Arnack astronauts and Zirnitran cosmonauts coexisting on the International Space station can also be considered this. Due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and some cosmonauts showing open support for Russia has caused friction between NASA and Roscosmos over the future of Russia's participation in the ISS program.

What to do?

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