Ban-Evader Reversion Thread
Please read the outline below before proceeding any further.Important Note: This thread is devoted to reverting the edits of Tropers who have repeatedly chosen to evade their bans and suspensions, since serial ban-evasion is an act which is by its very nature a display of untrustworthiness, the fact that some ban-evaders outright engage in vandalism or add false information notwithstanding.
Depending on how much of the pages can be salvaged, they will either be noted in the B.E.R.T. Watch-List, locked if necessary, or cut if unsalvageable.
Any Frequently Vandalized Pages will also be monitored for suspicious activity.
If you notice a page is primarily edited by a certain ban-evader and/or their socks, please bring your findings to this thread so that cleanup can commence.
Potentially valid examples added by ban evaders should be transferred to Ban-Evader Example Rewrites so they can be salvaged. Make sure to mention transferring examples to the sandbox in your edit reason so others who may be willing to rewrite are aware.
Handling General Ban-Evader Edits:
To paraphrase what is stated here and here:- Bad faith is not necessarily assumed with the contributions of first-time ban-evaders, and their contributions can simply be rephrased assuming they're accurate.
- Any serial (more than once) ban-evader cannot be taken at their word, so their contributions are subject to harsher scrutiny. Any verifiable examples can be reworded (especially if there are grammatical or formatting issues), but unverifiable, false, or otherwise prohibited edits are removed.
- Ban-evaders who deliberately contribute inaccurate or false information are able to have their contributions deleted with little hesitation.
- Rewording or reverting can be as simple as expanding on a ban-evader's existing edits, especially if it means adding sufficient context or trimming word cruft.
The subsequent portions of this section outline further how to handle different kinds of edits and contributions.
The following types of edits can be left alone to preserve wiki quality:
- Grammatical corrections.
- Spelling corrections.
- Formatting updates and corrections.note
- Crosswicked examples from other tropers.
- Indexing (if accurate).note
- Accurately written potholes.note
- Links to the correct Work/Recap/Instalment/Franchise page, including red-linked works.note
- Archive edits. (See here.)
- Launched Tropes.note
The following edits might need to be reworded in order to stay on the wiki, and depending on the examples, may need to be re-evaluated/verified in this thread or in the proper cleanup threads.
- Zero-Context Example expansion.
- Otherwise correctly formatted and valid edits.
The following edits should remain hidden until they can be verified, and deleted if proven inaccurate:
The following items must be sent to the cut-list/otherwise removed on principle (and if applicable, re-created by a trustworthy editor from scratch using a Sandbox):
- Pages created by ban-evaders using their socks.note
- Videos uploaded by ban evaders using their socks.note
- Please refrain from "popcorn posting". This means refraining making comments such as "man, they don't know when to quit", or otherwise unproductive posts.
- Please maintain an atmosphere of civility.
- Please do not withhold information about potential sock-puppetry or other ban-evasion related misconduct, as withholding such information makes one an accessory to ban-evasion.
- When reverting edits, please make notes in the sandboxes, and transfer any potentially valid edits to the appropriate sandbox.
- When reverting ban-evader edits, please use an appropriate (and civil) edit reason.
- Should you suspect a ban-evader has shown up in this thread, please do not make open accusations, trash-talk them, or engage in other uncivil behaviour. Quietly holler the post and wait for mod input; if necessary (especially if suspicious edits or issues unrelated to the forum are involved), make a query at "Ask The Tropers".
- Please respect the thread consensus once it has been established. If an item is resolved, it is usually resolved for a reason.
- If you have any suggestions for new policies, or wish to contest an old one, do it in the General Policy Discussion, not here.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 13th 2024 at 10:23:58 AM
Just to reiterate what was stated in the ATT thread, our recently re-banned friend had been editing VideoGame.Final Fantasy I, VideoGame.Final Fantasy V, VideoGame.Final Fantasy X 2 and their respective subpages for months. We'll probably need to check if the other Final Fantasy pages have been tampered with at all.
Edited by Karxrida on Dec 27th 2020 at 6:47:57 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Kar, I have made a note, and added it to the sandbox.
- Final Fantasy works and subpages - As of December 27th, any edits by taylorswiftscat need to be reverted.
For the record, it is listed in the watch-list section of the sandbox for now.
Rawr.I have a question. Why are we reverting ban-evader edits? To disincentivize ban-dodging?
I assume that would be part of it, but also, we cannot assume that any edits from a ban-evader are accurate or benevolent. With the exception of grammar and spelling corrections, almost any edit a ban-evader makes can be taken as an act of malice. Extremely prolific is an understatement. I would have thought he would have gone the way of "what's his face" by now, which is why we must keep an eye on the pages he and his socks edit.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 28th 2020 at 11:32:52 AM
Rawr.It's basically a rule- ban-evaders get their edits reverted on principal whenever possible. Our current focus, Johnnyfog, is extremely prolific and thus someone whose edits we need to stomp out. Basically, if they've been suspended, they've lost their right to contribute.
Edited by WarJay77 on Dec 27th 2020 at 11:11:06 AM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI can help with the FFV post and I can help with FF 1 too - should I wait until the revert's happened to get started?
Based on what Kar said, we will need all the help we can get. I think it may be worthwhile to make sandboxes for the pages which that pischer vandalized, salvage any edits not made by him, and revert as much of his handiwork as possible.
It's worse than I thought. No matter. We will have strength in numbers.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 27th 2020 at 11:23:23 AM
Rawr.I made a note in the sandbox about how many edits they made, and need to be reverted.
oh dear sweet Jesus
Well, I don't know Final Fantasy, but I can help with the quote changes, which they also love to do.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessSee what you can do about their edits on Quotes.Excuse Plot.
I already did what I could for Quotes.Sleazy Politician and Quotes.Corrupt Church, but they were around since at least November by then, so that probably requires a mod revert, except that the RL quotes need to stay gone.
Evidently I missed stuff, though.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Jan 2nd 2021 at 9:56:41 AM
Rawr.That probably warrants mod revision, tbh. Their first edit was back in July.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessProblem is most of the pages they edited were also edited by other folks in between theirs, so it's unfair for them to get reverted.
Edited by Kappaclystica on Dec 27th 2020 at 8:44:20 AM
One of his edits on Final Fantasy was just him adding folders and a folder control. How should we handle this particular edit?
Well...I guess not absolutely everything requires revision. Formatting fixes like that probably aren't worth stressing over.
I'll take a closer look at things tomorrow. I wanted to try and spend sometime away from my computer tonight.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI think I've managed to purge all of Johnny's edits from Final Fantasy 1. I've swapped Kappaclystica into it.
Edited by Kappaclystica on Dec 27th 2020 at 9:21:58 AM
Added a note about Quotes.Excuse Plot to the sandbox.
I think the edits to Sega and its subpages (i.e. Sega Saturn, Sega Genesis, Dreamcast) by worldbeater (who was caught ban-evading as burgerants a few months ago) might need to be looked at.
Edited by gjjones on Dec 28th 2020 at 4:12:35 AM
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.Retitled the thread and set a headernote but I am not sure if we want to have this in thread form - it might encourage trolling.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanCould you add a note to the sandbox, jones?
I appreciate your concern, Septimus, but I do believe that if enough people work together, we will have an easier time with reversion than if we worked separately.
Rawr.I have been reverting taylorswiftscat's edits lately and noticed that he has created the page Artificial Stupidity/Hitman. Should it be cutlisted, and the examples moved back to the original pages? Or should I just leave it as is?
ArtificialStupidity.Hitman, Let me have a look.
Edit: It appears taylor created the page and is almost the sole editor. Burn it. If they were found on other pages before taylor moved them, move them back.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 28th 2020 at 9:34:56 AM
Rawr.Could I get some help with reverting the edits of Harley Quinn is Great. A bounced sock of ban evader Bobg.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Requesting the following pages to be mod reverted to the following dates:
Hitman: Codename 47 - Nov 23rd 2019
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin - May 6th 2020
Hitman: Absolution - Mar 19th 2020
They are all plagued not only by taylorswiftscat's edits, but also burgerants/worldbeater's.
Edited by TantaMonty on Dec 28th 2020 at 5:06:43 AM
Ban-Evader Reversion Thread
Please read the outline below before proceeding any further.Important Note: This thread is devoted to reverting the edits of Tropers who have repeatedly chosen to evade their bans and suspensions, since serial ban-evasion is an act which is by its very nature a display of untrustworthiness, the fact that some ban-evaders outright engage in vandalism or add false information notwithstanding.
Depending on how much of the pages can be salvaged, they will either be noted in the B.E.R.T. Watch-List, locked if necessary, or cut if unsalvageable.
Any Frequently Vandalized Pages will also be monitored for suspicious activity.
If you notice a page is primarily edited by a certain ban-evader and/or their socks, please bring your findings to this thread so that cleanup can commence.
Potentially valid examples added by ban evaders should be transferred to Ban-Evader Example Rewrites so they can be salvaged. Make sure to mention transferring examples to the sandbox in your edit reason so others who may be willing to rewrite are aware.
Handling General Ban-Evader Edits:
To paraphrase what is stated here and here:The subsequent portions of this section outline further how to handle different kinds of edits and contributions.
The following types of edits can be left alone to preserve wiki quality:
The following edits might need to be reworded in order to stay on the wiki, and depending on the examples, may need to be re-evaluated/verified in this thread or in the proper cleanup threads.
The following edits should remain hidden until they can be verified, and deleted if proven inaccurate:
The following items must be sent to the cut-list/otherwise removed on principle (and if applicable, re-created by a trustworthy editor from scratch using a Sandbox):
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 13th 2024 at 10:23:58 AM
Rawr.