Fact Checking Thread

So, it's come to my attention that one user apparently made up a lotta fake information regarding behind the scenes of Fate/Apocrypha. I would recommend a through searching of pages related to it.

Incidentally, since it's the same franchise, do you know anything about this? There was never a response and I certainly wouldn't know myself.

Perhaps. Ever since the whole Fairy Knight/Tam Lin debates, I've been a whole lot more cautious about various translations.

BUMP: It appears that Shinichameleon also used to appear here. Any mod confirm what happened to him?

It appears Shinichameleon did edit plenty of pages for the work. They stopped editing in 2015, and I can't find any record of a suspension.

Edited by harryhenry on Jun 19th 2023 at 9:02:09 PM

They aren't banned but they stopped showing up sometime in 2016.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2023 at 5:03:14 AM

I see. Still though, the fact that they managed to get away with misinformation for 9 years disturbs me, mind if I start a short cleanup thread regarding Nasuverse misinformation?

It might be worth making a Common Knowledge subpage to gather all the false info in a clear reference location.

In other things: Who Will Bell the Cat? says:

• In Sheri S. Tepper's Six Moon Dance, a Gender Swap results in the ladies suddenly deciding against a plan.

Anyone know what it's talking about? I assume the Gender Bender is the risk being taken to bell the cat?

Can't you just comment it out and say "not enough context needs to be fleshed out" if anyone asks? If you don't know what an example is talking about, it's a ZCE.

I was thinking it's a well-known enough book that someone might know what it's talking about, but okay. I'll do that.

From Film.Nope:

• Genre Throwback: The film is very much in the style of 1950s-era science fiction pulp magazine stories, when flying saucers were all the rave. In particular, the idea that flying saucers were actually living organisms rather than alien spaceships, and that anecdotal stories of rainfalls of blood could be explained by these creatures sucking up and devouring people, was once a very popular concept amongst UFO theorists in The '50s before it fell out of favor to stories of The Greys and Alien Abduction in The '60s and beyond. In that sense, this film is subverting a modern audience's expectations by baiting them with the modern concept of UFOs and aliens, and then reverting to a more classical popular conception, albeit one that is largely obscure today.

As someone who has looked into the history of UFO sightings during that era, I've never found anything about this. I messaged the troper who added it, asking where they heard it from, but still haven't gotten a reply.

I don't know about its popularity in the 1950s UFO era specifically - I think it more of a late Victorian/Edwardian trope, but it used to be a fairly well-established. The Crawfordsville monster was a UFO identified as a living organism in 1891, and Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Horror of the Heights" was written in 1912. Cryptozoologists have referred to the idea as "atmospheric beasts".

Question regarding Mo Xiang Tong Xiu; looking at the page’s history, it links to a Tumblr post about her getting arrested for her writing (which is about queer men and the arrest, from what I can gleam, stems from her writing BL due to the Chinese government cracking down on that stuff). However it was later removed by user Rhapsody citing to be an unconfirmed rumour. This got me wondering, was she actually arrested or was really a rumor?

Do we have any Egyptian Mythology buffs here? Because I'm having doubts about the validity of the following trope entry:

Sounds a bit sensationalist. The myth says that Ammit devours the hearts of the impure dead; I've always assumed that implies that the heart ceases to exist. Are there really any sources that say that impure hearts still exist after Ammit has swallowed them?

I've never heard that, either.

I neither.

It's noted - unsourced - on a fandom page and I suspect it's been copied wiki-to-wiki, as dubious facts often are.

I'd say cut it, if no more reputable source confirms it. Anyone wanting to reinstate can cite a source.

Trivia.The Super Mario Bros Movie claims, under Uncredited Role, that Diddy Kong's voice actor hasn't been confirmed yet. Except Eric Bauza confirmed that he's Diddy's voice.

I pulled the And I Must Scream example from Egyptian Mythology to that page's discussion page. Thanks for the feedback!

Front Row Joe and its subpages mention quite a bit that apparently Front Row Joe is still in use in Spain. Except, I've been doing a TON of work on AVID finding plenty of previously unknown Cinemark logos, and I'm not even sure if Cinemark has a Spanish branch. Aside from the US, the logos I've found are from Brazil, Chile, Argentina, and Ecuador, all Latin American countries. I wonder if the editor saw the Chilean trailers and assumed based on the use of Spanish that it was Spain, as he survived in Chile until 2012.

Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Jun 29th 2023 at 12:57:30 PM

As a heads up, if I don't get any replies by tomorrow proving the existence of a Cinemark branch in Spain that still uses Front Row Joe (see above) I will go ahead and cut all of the mentions.

Alright, replaced the Cinemark Spain mentions with Chile ones. Yell at me if I'm wrong.

So according to this video by YouTuber Eddache (relevant part starts at timecode 13:15), the commonly circulated "fact" that Gopher from the Winnie the Pooh adaptations was originally meant to appear in the books is untrue, and seems to have been based on a joke article. TV Tropes itself (and an entry that lists Gopher as a subversion of a Canon Foreigner) is mentioned at 17:50 in the video.

Assuming I've got that right, there are likely several places in the wiki that need to be corrected. Would anyone care to assist me in this task? But I also want to make sure I'm correct before jumping in, so does anyone have any information that might contradict Eddache?

This apparently dates back at least to a 2011 edit by Angeldeb82. The entry mentioned in the video cites the Christopher Milne memoir The Enchanted Places, but after searching for the word "Gopher" in the version previewed on Google Books, there's nothing mentioned about a publisher nixing a Gopher character. It should be removed right away.

Edited by harryhenry on Jul 3rd 2023 at 7:13:58 AM

Good to know! I've already removed it from Trivia.Winnie The Pooh. I'll see what else I can find. I could see some of the information being repuposed for a Pop-Culture Urban Legends entry, if someone wants to tackle that.