This is a thread to discuss those Administrivia pages in need of a little updating- you know the ones. The ones that still cite rules we've long since changed, or the ones that don't properly cite our current standards. Some of them are even scattered in Main/!
So, this is the place to take those pages and fix them up with the help of the community.
For a list of current projects, see Outdated Administrivia Pages.
Note: This thread is not for asking mods to make one-off edits to Locked Pages, Administrivia-related or otherwise, such as requesting additions to an Example Sectionectomy index. Please use this thread
for that.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 21st 2023 at 9:12:02 AM
the Retromancer
For context, as I've said before, I don't treat links like markup and they're fine. I was referring to adding anything else into the edit reasons that can be seen as distracting as mentioned here and may need a comment policy-wise, which was already addressed that pretty much nobody has ever done that despite the spam potential, and Notifiers have already been adjusted so edit reasons should be "appropriate". I think this topic was focusing on the wrong thing and has ended a long time ago.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 16th 2023 at 4:03:40 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That discussion is outside this thread's scope, anyway. A new Wiki Talk thread would be the place for discussion regarding when/whether it's OK to use wiki markup in edit reasons.
We should probably get this thread back on track.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:05:08 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Angry babby
Oh, I was referring to people wondering if we don't need wiki markup in edit reasons going forward, and my answer was "we do." Maybe I misread the conversation?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
It's outside this thread's scope either way.
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🍊orange fursona🧡
About the Up for Grabs page.
Should there be info about drafts about pages created by bounced or deleted tropers, and whether their status is automatically up for grabs or not? I know they're automatically up for grabs, if they're bounced, but the description makes it quite vague in the case of drafts made by bounced/deleted tropers.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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I'll see if any of the mods who frequent TLP can chime in on this one because I lack TLP experience, but for what it's worth, when we unlaunched a draft launched by a ban evader not too long ago, we put the draft Up for Grabs.
Edit: Mentioned permanent TLP bans (for people who aren't banned from the whole site) to them as well.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 18th 2023 at 9:12:08 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, so a mod who's more familiar with TLP said that drafts are indeed Up for Grabs if the sponsor's account is deleted or permanently banned from TLP, so I added this short paragraph addressing that:
I did some proofreading as well.
Edit: Oh, and it might be possible to trim the note clarifying the two main types of bans that would be given when someone is permanently banned from TLP (a TLP-specific ban and a full bounce). I feel like it's worth clarifying since there was previously confusion over the distinction between a regular permaban and a bounce because What to Do If You Are Suspended previously inaccurately used "permanent ban" as a synonym of "bounce" when the latter is just one type of permanent ban (I ended up modifying that section it to clear up the distinction) since section-specific permabans exist as well.
Edit: Made some more changes because there was some redundancy (and the paragraph appeared to have been dated in general due to its previous use of "his/her" over "their", and I'm not sure why "draft" was capitalized when it's not a proper noun and is usually, if not always, treated as a common noun in TLP-related discussion).
Old text:
New text:
However, TLP drafts will automatically be placed Up for Grabs if the sponsor's account is deleted or permanently banned from TLPnote before the draft is launched. In general, if the sponsor is still on the site but hasn't touched the draft for whatever reason, sending a PM asking about the draft can help decide if it should be handed to a new sponsor or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 3:05:24 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
the Retromancer
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Yeah, looks like I forgot about that when I handled the changes to the main page plus its namespace change.
Thinking of adding something like this to How to Create a Work Page, under the first section:
Each word in the title should start with a capital letter. All caps should only be used in the case of acronyms. If a name uses CamelCase, such as "McDonald", the title should follow the same capitalization.
If the title starts with a non-letter, such as a numeral, it will need to be spelled out in words. Numerals that do not appear at the start of a title should be written using the numeral itself.
Edited by Twiddler on Feb 20th 2023 at 2:53:24 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think it looks fine, and I'm surprised the page doesn't already cover how to handle those cases of custom titles being needed.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 7:03:03 AM
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I'm helping!
Might do to specify:
Made a sandbox, incorporating and adding "In general, you should get as close to the title as you can using alphanumeric characters" to try and cover some other errors from Pages Incorrectly "Moved" by Custom Title, such as
- RichardTheThird instead of RichardIII
- OK instead of Okay
- Ounce instead of Oz
- Brothers instead of Bros
Need to think of something to cover cases like VideoGame.Tron Two Point Oh (TRON 2.0)
I'm helping!
Added a paragraph explaining about NamespaceGoesHere.Title Goes Here since it bugs us how people keep misunderstanding that.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
he/him
Following up on the discussion here, is it worth rephrasing this section of Handling Spoilers to clarify its scope?
As Twiddler pointed out, we should still be avoiding spoilers above the line (e.g. in quotes and images), so possibly change "remove all spoiler tagging" to a more specific "remove all spoiler tagging from examples" (not that there should be any such tagging above the line...), and add an extra sentence to reinforce that "Everything above the line should remain spoiler-free."?
Also - is it worth adding a link to Spoilers Off for more information on this scenario? I know there's one much further down the page, but this looks like a key place to mention it.
the Retromancer
1. As you've noted, there can't be spoiler tagging outside examples, so this would be redundant. And Handling Spoilers already mentions no spoilers above the line.
2. In case the work page has been stripped of spoiler tags completely, linking to Spoilers Off should be natural.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
he/him
Handling Spoilers outlines the policy - including 'nothing above the line' but then essentially says (and I'm paraphrasing this bit) "but if the policy written above doesn't work for a particular page, make it SpoilersOff".
As a consequence, IMO it doesn't really clarify which bits of the preceding policy (if any) will still apply to a SpoilersOff page, because SpoilersOff is presented as an alternative to the (whole) policy, not an option that exists within it.
Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 21st 2023 at 2:55:28 PM
I think the idea is to not include spoiler information above the line if feasible in any case, but if it's not feasible to avoid unmarked spoilers on a page, Spoilers Off + "this entire page is spoilers off" warning overrules the rest of Handling Spoilers. You don't follow the tagging policy in addition to Spoilers Off.
In case I'm not interpreting your question correctly, do you have specific examples of pages where the phrasing of the current policy has caused a problem?
Added a bit about shortening titles to the How to Create a Work Page sandbox.
Friends forevermore
The change of "acronyms" to "initialisms" in the line about all caps would result in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. et al having their capitalization changed, because S.H.I.E.L.D. is an acronym. Is this the actual intent of the change?
I was directed here from TRS. Example as a Thesis isn't an administrivia page, but shouldn't it be? It's written entirely in reference to writing tropes on the site and seems more like an administrivia guideline like Administrivia.People Sit On Chairs than a trope.
the Retromancer
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Example As Thesis isn't "fun", though. It explicitly tells you what not to do and encourages you to rewrite the descriptions if necessary.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
yeah idk where you're getting the fun part from. it's a dry, informative article that also warns against making more examples as thesis pages and then lists the pages that have them for anyone to correct
the Retromancer
Because it starts with self-demonstrating and the tone isn't as formal as normal admin pages, but I'll retract the statement.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I don't recall having any problems with wiki markup in edit reasons. And either way, revisions to the edit reason system are outside this thread's scope because that's an admin thing, so such requests belong on Query Wishlist.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 4:07:58 AM
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