Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

You have to take it to the Video Moderation thread. Only mods can delete or edit videos (that they didn't upload).

Regarding Political Correctness Gone Mad's quotes page, I torched the Real Life folder because that trope is NRLEP. I didn't check whether the quote being discussed was in that folder, but if any other folders have quotes that aren't from a fictional source (such as if they're about a work of fiction rather than from a work of fiction), delete those as well.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 15th 2022 at 5:40:13 AM

Political Correctness Gone Mad is listed on P to R. I know stuff like taking things out of context to shit on them exists, but when most people think of Political Correctness, they think of getting pissy over really minor things, and I think that's what the example was referring to. I feel like listing it on Truth in Television is a ROCEJ landmine. As the Unfortunate Implications page mentioned, whether such a thing as being too PC even exists is a very touchy subject. Not to mention the example writeup is even more half-assed than a ROCEJ pothole.

• Political Correctness Gone Mad: Has happened in many cases, which aren't to be mentioned or debated here.

Should I nuke it?

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Jan 16th 2022 at 12:27:23 AM

Read the first part of their post. I was responding to the Babylon Bee part.

I found this on Trivia.Paw Patrol of all places. Pretty blatantly makes the wiki take a stance on the issue.

• Breaking News Interruption: On March 14, 2018, Nickelodeon, as well as most Viacom networks, interrupted a re-run of "Pups Save a Baby Humdinger/Pups Save a Piñata" to go off-air in support of the National Walk-Out that day. Parents were not too pleased, which led to a controversy on Twitter, during which one user had this to say:
  "Your kids can miss 17 minutes of PAW Patrol for the 17 families who lost their kids."

... I think the wiki is allowed to take a stance on that

I mean, tbf, as much as I agree, that part's not really relevant to the actual example. You can just cut everything that starts from "parents weren't pleased".

Now, if we had a trope about owning Karens, on the other hand...

Edited by WarJay77 on Jan 15th 2022 at 9:50:20 AM

...and this website has a habit of bashing Moral Guardians.

In other words, I agree that the part about parents complaining on Twitter should be cut.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 15th 2022 at 10:55:34 AM

This is on Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids under Values Resonance (Questionable part italicized):

• Bill Cosby's closing monologue in Double Cross cautions viewers to take racists seriously before they get powerful and influential enough to become a serious threat. And not be fooled by racists and bigots who are targeting some other group but seem to be leaving yours alone. He was probably referring indirectly to the famous passage by Martin Niemöller that begins with "First they came...". While many right wing groups do use token minorities to further propagate their message, many left wing groups and people do as well without worldly exprience such as Black Lives Matter in which the vast majority of funds go to the group and not to black people. The concept still rings true but must be understood from all sides of the political spectrum not just conservatives.

What does that part even have to do with the rest of the entry?

The edit that added it.

The edit reason makes it clear there's an agenda.

I reverted those edits and suspended them.

Edit: There was also this edit from the same user, but it's too far back in the edit history to use the mod revert tool. (Update: That was reverted too.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 17th 2022 at 6:33:38 AM

I have been considering a page on Antoons. I'm aware of who he is, what he has done, which I can't deny is shitty, but pretty sure his animated works are still tropable (Character Defbed videos and other parodies) and he has also done game dev stuff. That said, his comics are practically Stonetoss-level right-wing political and likely shouldn't be troped. Would it be appropriate to have the page with a note like this? Would also link to his Youtube channel and Newgrounds, but not to his site.

NOTE: Please keep this page limited to Anton's web cartoons and video game work. His comics are no more tropable than other political webcomics of this sort.

Please do not also directly link to his website which hosts them. (this part commented-out).

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 18th 2022 at 5:34:20 PM

I think we cut Louder With Crowder despite it being tropable due to it also being a ROCEJ magnet, so I'd say no, Antoons shouldn't have a page.

Furthermore I fear it will attract ROCEJ-breaking tropers to this site that we don't want.

That guy was mostly cut because it lacked content beyond politics and had no tropeworthy fiction (which yes, i can admit a year later). Antoons' Youtube/Newgrounds content largely consists of animation with fictional characters, animation history, and video-game stuff. Some of it is definitely offensive and I see your point, but I was considering the content could be tropable w/o the comics and with that note. if I should write the note differently, feedback there would help as well.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 18th 2022 at 7:19:48 PM

I googled 'Antoons comics' because I was unfamiliar.

First result was 'THEN - "Gay rights!" NOW - "Trans rights!" FUTURE - "Pedo rights!"'

Second result was a joke about trans people killing themselves.

Absolutely no, strongly opposed to a page for Antoons.

Again, the page as intended would not cover the comics. Only the animations/game stuff. He started the former in 2020 and the latter in 2014 or so. That's why I wanted the note.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 18th 2022 at 7:39:20 PM

I wholly understand that but remain strongly of the opinion that we shouldn't create a page for him anyway.

Looking at the edits of the guy who added that agenda-based rant onto the Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids page, and brought this "Here's some food for thought: Why don't white people who project systemic racism give up their money to minorities? Oh wait, yeah its because there all liberals." onto the Pocahontas page and they've been on a roll, they added something to the Fatal Attraction YMMV about how the female lead stalking the protagonist is not Values Dissonance, but would still be considered 'moot' today, because... uh, social media favors women, and... Me Too... and... reasons.

Edited by Elmo3000 on Jan 18th 2022 at 6:55:42 PM

Back in 2019, they also removed mentions of a Muslim family from the YMMV page for The Proud Family, as well as adding to an example to claim that Islam is incompatible with Western culture (see here)

Wow that's pretty bad. Has this edit been reverted yet?

EDIT: NVM it was.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 18th 2022 at 3:11:43 PM

I get wanting to make a page for Antoons'... non-political stuff, but I feel like inevitably people will add tropes about the... political comics. It'd feel whitewashy to ignore it entirely anyway.

Alright. Maybe it's not worth having a creator page on such a controversial figure even with a. note, then. The tropable stuff can probably have its own pages, like WebAnimation.Mr Sneaks, WebAnimation.Fast Food Anime, and VideoGame.Survival Of The Fetus, where it's likely to cause less trouble.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jan 18th 2022 at 12:17:00 PM

That is if they don’t add tropes relating to his personal life first.

Feel free to revert anything they've added. They were bounced not long after my previous post after discussion with the other mods.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 19th 2022 at 12:55:52 PM

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but this bolded section was added to Creators on the Autism Spectrum:

• Dan Aykroyd initially claimed in a 2004 interview to have been diagnosed with Asperger's, as well as Tourette's, as a preteen in the 1960s (before the former term was even coined) with the interviewer suspecting he may have been joking, but later changed his story and said he was self-diagnosed. Either way, he now considers his childhood obsession with ghosts, which helped him to write Ghostbusters, to have been a symptom of his condition. He's also demonstrated a tendency to miss social cues in conversations, skipping over introductions and talking over others to speak at length on material he prepared ahead of time. It takes an interviewer of some skill to get in edgewise and get him to branch off into different topics.

Unless this is cited as something Aykroyd remarked about himself, this feels inappropriately personal, like it's psychoanalyzing the behavior of a real-life celebrity.