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bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 13th 2019 at 3:18:24 PM

While trying to find an image for this page in Image Pickin, we realized this page doesn't really have a clear definition. It's supposed to be a page about the internet before it was popular, but that's not really a trope. I'll start with a wick check, just to see what the page is used as:

Wick Check: 31/31: 100%

The most common usage of Eternal September is to either emphasize Newbie Boom or as a replacement for it. We can't cut it as a duplicate of Newbie Boom due to the 15,488 inbounds, but we could just make Eternal September redirect to it.

Edited by bitemytail on Jul 13th 2019 at 3:19:18 AM

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Jul 13th 2019 at 9:02:28 PM

The thing is, Eternal September really isn't a trope. It's a historical period. It might make sense to define the term, but it probably shouldn't have examples. A work that predates 1993 isn't "averting" it, any more than a work published before the 2000's "averts" The Millennium Age of Animation.

Edited by notriddle on Jul 13th 2019 at 9:06:55 AM

GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 13th 2019 at 10:25:26 PM

Maybe this would be better suited to Useful Notes. Inbounds would be caught by the auto-disambig system.

As for the examples in the first post that have more applicable tropes (such as Newbie Boom), the wicks to this could be changed to wicks for those tropes instead.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 13th 2019 at 12:28:07 PM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 13th 2019 at 10:27:54 PM

[up] I could see moving to useful notes, but I'm not sure the concept itself is necessarily on-mission for TV Tropes.

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Crossover-Enthusiast Plotting something from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Plotting something
Jul 13th 2019 at 11:20:34 PM

[tup] To making it a useful note.

She/Her | "How can I ruin these wonderful people's lives today?"
GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 13th 2019 at 11:39:01 PM

Courtesty link to the Image Pickin' thread. Most, if not all, of the suggestions seem to have been given with the impression that it's about the '90s-era Internet in general, instead of changes that came about in 1993 specifically.

Edit: For clarification, this post is not meant as an argument against or in favor of anything. I'm just commenting on the confusion caused by the description.

Another edit: Here's Wikipedia's page on the subject, if that helps clear anything up.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 14th 2019 at 3:52:54 AM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
Jul 14th 2019 at 2:42:20 AM

Make it a UN and change wicks to Newbie Boom where it doesn't refer to the 1993 event but overrun forums in general.

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jul 14th 2019 at 4:43:10 AM

[tup] Useful Notes, move wicks to Newbie Boom.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Jul 14th 2019 at 7:43:19 AM

Important Trope Repair Shop thread under construction for four closely-related items.
GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 14th 2019 at 9:10:13 AM

Now that I think about it, I think the opening wording of the description, "Back in the old days", is too vague; that would explain why so many IP suggestions were related to things that are more recent than September 1993. Changing it to "Back in the '80s and early '90s" would probably help.

Edit: Also, this part might be causing problems:

""Eternal September" can be used to refer to drastic changes in any forum or community where some event causes the newcomers to suddenly outnumber the existing population."

That part's definitely redundant with Newbie Boom (at least with this page in the Main/ namespace), and it's Not a Trope regardless (Newbie Boom is Trivia and thus already Not a Trope). I wouldn't miss this paragraph even if we move the page to Useful Notes, because it has nothing to do with the actual Eternal September event.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 14th 2019 at 11:08:28 AM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jul 14th 2019 at 9:15:04 AM

[tup] Useful Notes, move wicks to Newbie Boom.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Berrenta Puzzles and archaeology from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Puzzles and archaeology
Jul 15th 2019 at 8:38:10 PM

[tup] for moving to Useful Notes and applicable wicks to Newbie Boom.

Jul 15th 2019 at 11:27:25 PM

Another vote for moving it to Useful Notes (making that ~7 votes for and none against).

Edited by Tabs on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:27:43 AM

GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 15th 2019 at 11:42:32 PM

[up]bitemytail wasn't sure about whether the page is on-mission (but didn't completely rule out a Useful Notes move), but you're correct about the votes in favor of a Useful Notes move.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 15th 2019 at 1:42:46 PM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
bitemytail from Arizona Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Jul 16th 2019 at 8:08:13 AM

I'll give a [tup] for a move to Useful Notes. I'm still not 100% this is on-mission, but we've already got the Eternal September page so we may as well put its content somewhere.

Edited by bitemytail on Jul 16th 2019 at 8:08:24 AM

Health sure is versatile. It's possible to be both light-headed and dim-witted. At the same time, no less.
Willbyr MOD Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Jul 18th 2019 at 10:45:28 AM

We seem to have consensus to make this a Useful Notes page and move the wicks to Newbie Boom, so let's go ahead and make it so.

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GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 18th 2019 at 12:19:56 PM

Courtesy link to the related to page, since I turned the Main/ page into a redirect (after moving this to UsefulNotes.Eternal September), posted a notice on the discussion page, and indexed this under Useful Notes. I also cleared up some of the wording I previously mentioned.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2019 at 2:37:08 PM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 18th 2019 at 12:52:37 PM

Dewicking is complete, and I cutlisted the Main/ redirect. Does anything else need to be done to the description?

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2019 at 3:05:36 AM

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jul 21st 2019 at 2:06:40 PM

Not in my mind.

Important Trope Repair Shop thread under construction for four closely-related items.
GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Jul 21st 2019 at 7:20:40 PM

It's been three days with no more changes to the description or suggestions for changes. Maybe we're done here, and any further changes can be made later.

"...the Linux philosophy is "laugh in the face of danger". Oops. Wrong one. "Do it yourself". That's it." —Linus Torvalds
Willbyr MOD Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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