Trope Launch Pad discard project

The link to Lelouch Face goes to an unrelated forum thread.

Hi guys, I've been completely busy this month. I'll try to catch up a bit with what went on during my absence.

• About Designated Misogynist, I believe is covered well enough to Compressed Vice and doesn't deserve to be a trope on its own. I bombed it.
• I bombed Flashback Hero. Being a poorly edited draft, it sounds to me a thing like "when a flashback isn't about the main character". Is it really tropeworthy? That a flashback may not be centered around the main character?

Edited by gc10 on Apr 21st 2020 at 5:11:32 PM

In Case Of Superpowers Break Glass is an old draft that has since been replaced by a newer and more developed draft, The Power Of Glass.

I have a question regarding a draft that was discarded. It's this one. It had 12 net hats, and during its time (as you can read in the comment section of that draft), it was being troll-discarded over and over again. I imagine that it was finally discarded because nobody came to defend it for the millionth time.

However, it was brought to my attention that y'all may have discarded it without saying anything in the comment section, so I'm here asking if anyone recalls why it was discarded.

Also, I am planning on remaking that draft, which is why I'm asking at all. I don't want to remake a draft only to get in trouble. By the way, I don't think restoring the old draft is a good idea because that'll just drag the old drama back and someone might rogue-discard it again for no reason.

Rest assured, if it was us who discarded it, we would've posted a reason why. I don't remember that draft coming up here either and we usually deal with the abandoned, but I haven't been posting the entire time this thread has existed so I'm not completely sure. I think you should be fine, though.

It's a sad fact that LGBT-related drafts tend to get bombed and/or rogue-discarded for no other reason than being LGBT-related.

I didn't discard the draft and I don't know who did — I couldn't find it on the Discard list so it must have been some time ago. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same person I had to call out in the TLP thread over doing that with a different draft.

As for restarting the draft, I'd just restore the draft and move from there. People who are butthurt over the draft's subject matter aren't suddenly going to become less troublesome because someone different wrote it.

Yeah, it's pretty weird. While not all of the bombs they get are for biased reasons (for example, I remember one of them getting a ton of phantom hats in addition to phantom bombs, all while the people posting were trying to figure out why and how to make the draft properly launchworthy, and other times where there were valid reasons to bomb them in addition to the bombs trolls were tossing), it happens a lot and only ever to LGBT related drafts.

I think you should give it a shot either way. I'd personally restart it just to wipe the slate and not have any confusion over how many hats and bombs there were when you started off, but that's up to you.

Bringing these two batches of discardables up again so they don't get lost.

I put the already nuked "Robots Eat Metal" draft in the salvage yard, because I had a flash of insight that could turn the lack of description into at the very least a laconic. Acquiring new metal for self-repair without eating it in an anthropomorphic way is Boring, but Practical, whereas garnishing the practical action with eating motions makes the robot character more anthropomorphic, quirky and endearing.

I found a few dodgy drafts from the backlog.

• Pince-Nez on a Duckbill: Suffers from Zero-Context Examples/Chair-sitting, poorly-defined and filled with redlinks.
• Sword and damsel pose: One-liner description with a link, lack of examples and clarification as well covered by Atop a Mountain of Corpses, Stab the Sky and Leg Cling.
• Pragmatism is Bad: Clunky description, too few examples and a lack of updates.

The first one has all those redlinks because it predates the namespacing policy. But yeah, it just looks like another meaningless appearance trope. The second draft is classic zero effort, and the third could maybe be yarded. I bombed all three.

Tossed some very belated bombs, and I hope to revive this with another post as I scroll through the backlog.

I'm in the 90s-100s range right now and finding a bunch of drafts that aren't...garbage, but also aren't up to snuff, and I'm bringing some of them here for the sake of figuring out what to do. Ones that are in good condition I'll bring to the adoption thread instead.

To not double post, I'll be editing this one with the ones I find.

• Evil Stepsiblings: Commonly go hand-in-hand with the Wicked Stepmother, wondering if they're distinct enough of a concept to have their own trope or if the discussed "Evil Stepfamily" trope would be better suited, as they only seem to exist alongside the evil step-parent from what I can tell. Another potential issue is that 90% of the examples would be Cinderella and Cinderella shout-outs/variations/ect.
• Dating and Food Personalities was never commented-on or updated since the day it was made. It seems a very specific or Japanense-based trope which isn't a bad thing, but doesn't help much in expanding or salvaging it.
• Endearing Expendable Minions: A draft with no description, only three comments discussing if it's already covered, and a definition that sounds a bit too subjective for my liking.
• Word of Character: A draft with no examples or edits, immediately put up for grabs. The definition is confusing and I'm not sure what it's trying to be.
• (YMMV) Unfinished Release was an attempt to clean up Obvious Beta, but only got as far as a description and a few posts. It has 3 hats and 4 bombs.
• Conspicuously Named In The Sequel: No edits since posting and no comments, but it has a hat.
• Cocky And Funny: Right off the bat, there's red-links galore due to the sponsor deciding to post recursive wicks to the trope about a gazillion times. Every example lacks context and it has 2 bombs.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 2:20:36 PM

Word of Character looks like it wants to be Unreliable Expositor, but isn't willing to commit fully to the idea. So I'm going to bomb it for redundancy.

From my previous post in the thread, there's four drafts that only need one more bomb:

• Bumbling Eavesdropper is easy yard material. No examples listed, was never edited, only has one comment, but it looks tropeworthy to me and I don't think it's something we have.
• Command Chain is a low-effort stub.
• Get Ready! is an abandoned stub with no examples, but it's probably worth yarding.
• Wet Roads is an abandoned stub. The author tried to get out of listing any examples by claiming it's an Omnipresent Trope, but I don't agree that it's omnipresent, nor would there be any value in listing aversions. Maybe yard it?

Edited by Serac on Jun 3rd 2020 at 1:36:35 PM

Took care of 'em.

Conspicuously Named In The Sequel: I think this is a workable idea and it does have 3 or more examples. Maybe we can put it up for adoption and see where things go. Dating and Food Personalities: I think we can just bump that one and see if we can gather more example or well I can adopt it where things go

This isnt something that has weight in countries outside Japan I think so yeah there is a small pool to get examples from.

If we can't find more examples for it, we can fold it into Food as Characterization, which would be the supertrope to this concept.

Evil Stepsiblings: Yeah, I this might have merit being retooled as Evil Step Family

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 3rd 2020 at 3:06:57 PM

Just as a heads up, I crossposted the Evil Stepsiblings one to the Sounding Board as well.

Did we ever discuss Take That, Canon!? Part of the comments think it's tropeworthy while the other think it's already covered and has potential to be a complaint magnet. It's currently sitting at seven bombs to six hats.

That's one of the ones I feel is best discussed on the draft itself; it's a bit too controversial to really come to a proper conclusion on this thread, or at least one that feels valid considering the actual debate going on.

Evil Stepsisters: Evil Stepfamily, if anything. Stepsisters is ridiculously specific to Cinderella and derivatives.

Dating and Food Personalities: Here's the thing: this doesn't describe a character type so much as the use of very Japanese-specific slang terms to describe characters. That, in itself, isn't much of a trope — even if used In-Universe, it's a bit too similar to a Stock Phrase. If anything, I would slice off the Examples section, convert the description into a Useful Note explaining the terminology, and leave it at that.

Word Of Character: There's two or three different ideas here and the author doesn't commit to any of them. I'd delete because I don't see anything tropeworthy in what is here, at least that isn't covered by one or more tropes.

Unfitting Release: This might be tropeworthy if its name is changed to Unfinished Release and it's still used to clean up Obvious Beta, and its criteria is cinched up to minimize complaining and bad examples. Otherwise, it's redundant.

Conspicuously Named...: I don't feel strongly either way, If the examples are there, go for it.

Cocky and Funny: No one uses this term that isn't a PUA or a wannabe PUA, and the draft is nothing more than projecting that subculture's idea of what appeals to women onto fictional characters whether they were intended to fit that type or not.

As presented, the idea itself is too broad to work as a single trope, yet too specific to the PUA subculture to be useful for any other demographic. Plus, IME anything involving PU As tends to be a toxicity/drama magnet.

Nuke it.

Edited by HeavyMetalHermitCrab on Jun 5th 2020 at 12:52:22 PM

I think I've found a candidate for the Salvage Yard: TheExGuide — the draft is an example-less stub, but apparently Larkmarn thinks there's a salvageable trope idea here. Personally, I'm skeptical, but that's a debate for the Trope Idea Sounding Board I suppose. Either way, this draft needs nuking for being a stub.

I discarded it.

I want to bring some more drafts I found since this has been reawakened.

• Accidentally Found the Ring: Thought this might be like Accidental Proposal, but it is about someone finding an engagement ring before there was a proposal. Might be tropable, but without examples I'm not sure.
• Fun with Condoms: Another draft that has been abandoned for years, and there is another recent draft focusing on a related idea.
• Garden Level: Unedited stub.
• Morporkinans and Morningstars: "A 'Just For Fun' page on the military capabilities of Ankh-Morpork". These has been abandoned for years, and I'm not sure about the policies of creating Just for Fun pages.
• Plotline Injury: It is an abandoned stub, and makes me think that it can be covered by Cutscene Incompetence.
• Sister Page Images: A trope about TV Tropes. As some pointed out, this might be impossible to keep up to date.
• World of Fuse: The idea of a crossover that is an alternate reality from both original works might work, but this is an abandoned stub with ZCE. And the name made me think of a world Made of Explodium.

That's all I have for now.

Edited by ElBuenCuate on Jun 13th 2020 at 4:15:27 AM

World of Fuse: I'm not going to say it's Not A Trope or Too Rare To Trope, but it seems like inter-universe crossovers are a fairly small subset of all crossovers, and what this draft is proposing is a fairly small subset of that.

Are there really enough examples to support a page that can stand on its own? Is the distinction so major, important, or useful that it couldn't be adequately explained in a paragraph on the Crossover trope page?

Just seems like it's being specific for the sake of being as specific as humanly possible, is all.

It'd say the Sister Page Images draft can be discarded. Thinking about it a year later, it's probably not worth the effort.

I gave the last bomb to Cocky and Funny, but I'm not really sure what to write as the discard reason, so I'll let someone else nuke it.

Edited by Serac on Jun 8th 2020 at 12:28:20 PM