Overshadowed By Controversy Cleanup

Uh... Whoops. I prematurely added the YIIK example in different wording on the Video Games page.

• YIIK: A Post-Modern RPG is plagued with its own issues like story pacing and sluggish gameplay, but what really brought the game into the spotlight is the controversy surrounding its main developer Brian Allanson when it's revealed that most of the game's text was plagiarised wholesale from Haruki Murakami's novels, as well as the comfirmation of the game's premise being based on the real life death of Elisa Lamb, creating a lot of Unfortunate Implications.

• Gregory Daniel Jackson, better known as Onision, is undoubtedly one of the most controversial YouTubers of all. This is due to a number of very unpleasant and unsavory things he's done, such as calling meat eaters murderers, saying women who disagreed with feminism were stupid (in so many words), unintentionally killing his pet tortoise and refusing to accept responsibility for it, telling a teenage girl who struggled with suicidal thoughts to take matters into her own hands, alleged negligence behavior towards his children (particularly an incident where his toddler fell out a window), and especially allegations that he's abused and groomed young girls.girls. This also extends to his husband Kai (formerly known as Laineybot), who started a relationship with Greg while underage and also is accused of sexual behavior towards young girls. These allegations became so prolific that Chris Hansen attempted to get in contact with Greg, only for Greg to call the police and cause even more controversy.

I feel like people who are known for controversy and nothing else should be disqualified from this. I think this item is incentivizing people to just put Lists of Transgressions of people mainly known for doing bad things on this page.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 13th 2020 at 8:04:46 AM

That should be considered pure misuse.

It is Controversy, but there is nothing to "Overshadow", missing the important part here.

At this rate, this item is becoming People Sit on Chairs by sheer misuse.

Can we get a consensus on what I showed should qualify as misuse?

YMMV.Ys VIII Lacrimosa Of Dana

• Overshadowed by Controversy: The game's positive reception received for its game-play and non-linear exploration is vastly overshadowed by the many localization mishaps as documented on this very page. For many, Ys VIII will be remembered for its troubled handling in the West more than anything else, alongside the Porting Disaster for the PC release. On a positive note, this seems to have given the series more notoriety and a small boost in the press it wouldn't have had.

First bad sign is that this was added 4 months after the game came out in the US. Second bad sign is that this is more about the game itself than anything outside of it.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 15th 2020 at 5:31:14 AM

Now that I think about it, do any games involving the big loot box controversy of 2017 qualify? Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2 come to mind. They had to do with the games themselves, but those controversies were so prominent it actually ended up changing things in the game industry.

Yeah, the Ys VIII example is outdated. Ever since NIS America fixed the game, the controversy is no longer being talked about.

Battlefront II is definitely overshadowed by the lootboxes/"pride and accomplishment" thing, as it's the only thing a decent portion of the internet knows about the game.

Destiny 2 is somewhat less overshadowed, but it can at least be argued. I'd personally remove it.

I agree that Star Wars Battlefront 2 is definitely overshadowed.

TBH, I didn't even know Destiny 2 had a lootbox fiasco (and I did know that the game did SOMETHING that pissed off a fair number of players).

Ah yea, I was doubting that example a little because of my current line of thinking when it came to examples like this. I totally agree that Battlefront II is Overshadowed by Controversy.

Star Wars Battlefront II (2017) is more infamous for loot boxes and the most downvoted Reddit comment ever than anything else. Keep.

I got an update from Fuwanovel. This controversy has long been forgotten and is no longer being talked about, so I think I can remove it.

• In many visual novel circles, it is difficult to bring up Grisaia no Kajitsu without mentioning its then-localization company Sekai Project and the many controversies that spawned from it. Mainly in regards to their questionable translations, business practices (especially with Kickstarter), and the antics of their CEO Dovac, who infamously went on uncivil Twitter rants against fan patchers attempting to bypass their distribution policies. Grisaia was in the center of the controversy thanks to in large part of unfulfilled Kickstarter promises and the fan patch debacle that unfolded in late 2016, which the visual novel itself once hosted.^note For the full story, a fan patcher distributed patches to the Steam version of Grisaia as well as Karakara to unlock all of their removed adult content. Sekai Project eventually took notice of this, and Dovac, instead of suing legal action against the patcher, decided to engage him in an unprofessional Twitter war that spread across the visual novel community. The patcher eventually took the patches down out of sheer pressure, and in response, Sekai Project began distributing their own 18+ patches for their Steam releases. The incident also put the spotlight on Sekai Project's other controversial mishaps.

I need opinions on this specific example on OvershadowedByControversy.Music here, please? I admit I added it when the controversy about it got heated, but I haven't heard much from it since. Does it still qualify?

• The song "Omae wa Mou" by artist Deadman 死人^translation simply "dead person" became a huge hit on YouTube when it was first released in 2017 and eventually made its way onto Spotify to top its charts. However, in 2019, it became far more known for the controversy it started in regards to the content it used and the artist himself. The song used a sample of the track called "Tiny Little Adiantum" from Toho Bossa Nova 2 by Shibayan Records, which became the main point of contention for copyright infringement and led to the eventual takedown of the song shortly after. However, it's revealed that the takedown was caused by a misunderstanding over the flawed content ID system, and after some diplomacy, the song was eventually put back on Spotify. The incident, however, still generated some debate over whether Deadman was in the right or in the wrong, especially within the Touhou fanbase where Shibayan Records is more well-known there.

I have heard of it, and only heard of it because of the controversy, but it's something I wouldn't generally be interested in so I can't say for sure.

I think this entry here on Real Life needs fixing:

"Ferdinand Marcos is forever remembered for corruption charges and the human rights violations during his Martial Law era presidency. And yet, his widowed wife and children are elected to political positions which makes a special case that the people who voted for them are either born after the EDSA revolution, believe that Marcos did some good things during his administration even before declaring Martial Law and that some of people tend to exaggerate that he's the worst president in Philippine history, that he and his family got Drunk with Power during the Martial Law era and the voters are willing to forgive them or that his Martial Law is beneficial to keep the peace in the entire country and the whole EDSA revolution is strictly for "Imperial Manila". When his son, a former senator who also ran for the Vice Presidency in the 2016 elections, was interviewed about his family name being a hindrance or a benefit to win the elections, he said with confidence that it's the latter. As expected, he earned a lot of backlash which doesn't help that he and his sister refused to apologize for their father's crimes. However, this doesn't stop him nearly winning the elections until his opponent Leni Robredo beat him in a near margin of votes"

In the same vein of this entry:

"Rod Blagojevich, former Governor of Illinois, is best known to the general public for being corrupt even by the standards of Illinois politics, which culminated in an attempt to sell Barack Obama's soon-to-be vacant Senate seat after his election to the presidency."

"Nicolás Maduro, current president of Venezuela, is best known for his increasing authoritarianism and violent repression of dissenters. His brutal and repressive regime led the Organization of American States (OAS) to determine that he is guilty of crimes against humanity."

Marcos is okay as an example, but this one seems to be from a biased point of view; it needs a rewrite.

Blagojevich is fine as is. This is in fact the thing he's primarily known for, he's no longer an active politician because of it, and it's written from a neutral point of view with only confirmed factual information.

Maduro is an obvious cut for ROCEJ reasons. I don't think I need to explain why.

Edit: Screw it. I'll go ahead and propose a total ban on active politicians (holding an elected or appointed political office) for this trope. It's just too much of a ROCEJ minefield to deal with, and we're not losing much by keeping it off our site until they're out of office.

Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 27th 2020 at 4:06:13 AM

''Fallout 76 was removed from Video Games with the edit reason "Shoehorning / complaining. It wasn't "overshadowed" by anything; it wad just a bad game that people didn't like.":

I have a hard time believing that Fallout 76 doesn't qualify whatsoever. Bethesda is definitely an extremely controversial company right now, and FO76 is a major factor behind this.

Agreed. Fallout 76 counts.

I imagine he'll see this either way, but pinging ~HighCrate just in case.

I agree Fallout 76 counts, but the example can be trimmed down.

What exactly is the "controversy" with Fallout 76? Going down the bullet-pointed list:

• Brotherhood of Steel / Super Mutants: This is only of concern to a small minority of fans that are deeply invested in Fallout lore. Doesn't overshadow the work.
• Glitches: Being a buggy game isn't "controversial," it's just, you know... bad. Keep in mind that according to the OBC definition, bad reviews do not make a work controversial.
• MMO vs. single-player: This is the only thing that might be even close to valid, although I still think it's a stretch. The game isn't notorious for being multiplayer, it's notorious for being a bad game.
• Something about canvas bags: Flash-in-the-pan outrage that was forgotten a week after the game released.
• Something about rum: Ditto. Something that people were pissed about for a week, until they found something else to be pissed about and everyone forgot.

Also, I agree with Rallybot's proposed ban on OBC examples for active politicians for ROCEJ reasons.

I personally only know 76 because of all of these controversies, though. I know nothing about the game itself, but I know all about the glitches and canvas bags. Its very legacy is in how broken the game is and how bad the creators handled it.

Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 27th 2020 at 3:49:55 PM

The canvas bags were definitely not something that was forgotten in a week. Even people who don't know anything about the game are likely to have heard about at least one of the following things:

• The Canvas Bags - everything that went wrong or was handled badly
• Fallout 1st and how it was (mis)handled
• All the bugs and glitches, some of which were fixed only to come back with a later update (also includes the hacks that allowed people to spawn stuff from FO 4 and to steal the inventory of other players)

The Nuka Rum thing is not about FO 76 in particular, rather about FO and/or Bethesda/Zenimax overall.

Thus far the consensus on tthe Discussion Page also leans towards qualifying in part, but not entirely.

At the very least, the bag thing qualifies. The Rum does not. Not much discussion on the critique of the game or the lore, but those lean towards cut.

There's also Fallout 1st which I brought up and probably needs another bullet point.