Duplicate tropes discussion thread

Canon Marches On is a trope for official (but less-canon) works. Outdated by Canon is a trivia for fan works. Despite this procedural distinction, as far as I can tell they're pointing at the same actual concept.

I raised this in the General Page Quote Discussion, but No Going Steady and Dating Do-Si-Do seem to have very similar definition. The fact that they also share the same page quote certainly don't help clear things up.

Edited by Adept on Jun 17th 2019 at 7:02:46 PM

How is Pervert Dad not just Parent–Child Incest, but without the father actively abusing their kid?

My guess is that the former refers to the father being a pervert in general, and his perversion is simply not limited to their own children. The trope is usually played lightheartedly, and the character can still be depicted positively when they are a Lovable Sex Maniac or a Chivalrous Pervert. The latter explicitly refers to an explicit attraction or sexual relationship that occurs between the parent and child (it doesn't have to be non-consensual, and the parent is not always the instigator of this taboo).

Edited by Adept on Jun 19th 2019 at 1:42:05 AM

What's the difference of Deus ex Machina and God Was My Copilot?

Deus ex Machina is something sudden and unexpected which saves the heroes from an inescapable problem. God Was My Copilot is when a character turns out to be a deity in disguise.

^ so the latter can be a justification for the former?

It can be, yes, though frankly "justified" is so heavily misused on this wiki that I'd advise people not to use that word even if it does apply.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 22nd 2019 at 5:21:59 AM

How exactly do we distinguish justifying edits from actual Justified Trope though?

Hypochondria vs Terrified of Germs. They seem similar to me, but I'm guessing the former is for more generalized health anxiety.

An actual Justified Trope is a trope that normally doesn't make in-universe sense, but in this case it does. A Justifying Edit tends to read like "justified in that [any explanation whatsoever, even if the trope already made sense or the explanation is out-of-universe]", and tends to come from the mindset of "this work providing an example of this trope is a bad thing, but I like the work so I need to justify why it does that".

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 22nd 2019 at 11:20:33 AM

Is there any difference of Metamorphosis and Baleful Polymorph?

Baleful Polymorph is an offensive spell or ability that changes a target's shape to something inconvenient. It might be irreversible, or permanent-until-dispelled, or have a set duration.

Metamorphosis is an irreversible change in shape. It might be a spell, or part of one's natural biology, or the result of Mad Science.

Metamorphosis happens in real life; the word was invented to refer to things like caterpillars becoming butterflies. Baleful Polymorph, contrariwise, is definitely not possible in reality.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Jun 25th 2019 at 7:00:32 AM

What is the difference between Adaptational Distillation and Compressed Adaptation? By way of the description, it seems like the latter is a negative version of the former, in which the story makes less sense due to the cuts, as opposed to the former, where the main plot still works because only superfluous elements gets removed.

What is the distinction between Green-Eyed Monster and The Resenter?

Based on the trope descriptions Green-Eyed Monster is about envy and jealousy, while The Resenter is about resentment. Envy and jealousy could lead to resentment, but there are other things that could also lead to feelings of resentment, such as anger (for example anger that the hero is never punished for his mistakes while everyone else is).

On Pervert Dad vs Parental Incest, I don't think the dad is pervy in general. The description says that they act perverted towards their daughters in particular:

Some girls in fiction have it bad. Those whose fathers aren't useless, abusive, perfectly fatherly, or overprotective will instead have Pervert Dads. These dads, while (usually) not going as far as outright incest, look at their beautiful daughters with hungry eyes, liberally comment on their physical features (usually their breasts), or, in rare cases, even do... things... with their pictures. They will have to be carefully kept away from any and all school activity and visiting classmates (thus also providing an alternative for dads with male children, or those not content with leering at their own daughters).

So, isn't it just downplayed Parental Incest or Incest Subtext? It doesn't seem as innocent as Big Brother Attraction, which usually isn't actual Brother–Sister Incest but is just overblown Big Brother Worship.

Huh. Looking closer at the pages, a lot of the examples actually overlap. This may need some extensive cleanup, if not TRS.

Speaking of, what's the difference between Implied Love Interest and Maybe Ever After? Both of them seem to refer to characters who get a lot of suggestive/intimate moments reminiscent to typical love interests but never gets an official Relationship Upgrade to actually label them as such.

Edited by Adept on Jul 16th 2019 at 7:57:34 PM

What's the difference of Merged Reality and When Dimensions Collide?

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Jul 16th 2019 at 6:15:13 AM

Maybe Ever After is an ending to a romance arc that leaves ambiguous whether they really get together in the end. Implied Love Interest is when it's ambiguous as to whether there has ever been a romance to begin with.

Merged Reality is when two (or more) different realities merge completely, forming one new reality. When Dimensions Collide is when two different dimensions remain different, but their metaphysics start blending together at the boundary.

What's the distinction between Moe Greene Special and Eye Scream?

By definition, Moe Greene Special is "somebody gets shot in the eye" (lethal or non-lethal). Eye Scream is an "injury to the eyes". In practice, examples of Moe Greene Special are pretty much all duplicated on Eye Scream.

As "shooting someone in the eye" definitely involves injury to the eye, one might assume that Moe Greene Special is a subtrope to Eye Scream. But neither trope description actually says so. The question arises—is there any proper reason for having Moe Greene Special as a separate trope at all?

Edited by LordGro on Jul 16th 2019 at 10:34:33 AM

What the everlasting, mother-flipping fuckwad is a Moe Greene Special? It's a bad trope name, is what it is. Murder with extreme prejudice, not unlike the Trope Namer.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 16th 2019 at 4:47:25 AM

No objections from me, but such a decision would have to go through Trope Repair Shop, wouldn't it?

Yeah, although I'm tempted to deploy mod fiat against it.

My vote is to redirect Moe Greene Special and Shoot Your Eye Out to Eye Scream as Trope-Namer Syndrome and The Same, but More Specific.

Moe existing does not help, either.