Duplicate tropes discussion thread

What's the difference between Aloha, Hawaii! and Hula and Luaus?

The former is about characters traveling to Hawaii, while the latter is about things stereotypically related to Hawaii (often seen when characters travel to Hawaii).

Edited by jandn2014 on Apr 9th 2020 at 11:10:42 AM

Trapped in Villainy seems to have the same definition as Forced into Evil.

Trapped in Villainy can count villains who were willingly into villainy, but when they started having sevond thoughts, the circumstances don't allow them to stop their villainy without harm to themself

Forced into Evil needs someone to force them. TIV doesn't.

And you can be evil without being the villain.

In what way? Given the nature of the tropes, the person forced/trapped is clearly a "decent" person who is only "evil" or "villainous" due to extreme circumstances. In either case, both terms mean the same thing.

In case a good person is forced into committing an evil act, I don't necessarily consider them a villain. Trapped in Villainy seems to be more about characters being employed by the Big Bad over a period of time and hence more deserving of the title "villain". But it's a weak point in trying to tell both tropes apart, I agree.

What's the difference between Gratuitous Rap and A Wild Rapper Appears!?

From the descriptions, the former is a random rap scene in a (non-music) work, and the latter is a random rap segment in a non-rap song. But the examples of A Wild Rapper Appears! seems they should be in Gratuitous Rap.

Yeah I see no difference in usage whatsoever. Might take this to the TRS when there's room.

A Wild Rapper Appears! seems more for professional rappers while Gratuitous Rap is for characters breaking into a rap song out of the blue.

What's the difference of Terminally Dependent Society and Made of Phlebotinum?

How is Dynamic Character distinct from Character Development?

Dynamic Character is a literally term for characters that go through character development, while Character Development itself is just the general concept.

Coming from this ATT query: is there any meaningful difference between Heroic Resolve and Heroic Second Wind? The description seems to imply the former is a 'second wind' arising because something close to the hero is threatened; is that the same but more specific?

Just stumbled upon Home Version Soundtrack Replacement and Re-Release Soundtrack.

The former is three years older and substantially more detailed than the latter, but they both seem to cover the exact same concept.

So we have Script Wank and we have Golden Moment.

They look... really similar.

As far as I can tell Cut Short and Orphaned Series seem to be the exact same trope, and Dead Fic is just a work that fits one of those but is also a fanfic. Am I missing anything?

It looks to me like Cut Short is due to external factors like Screwed by the Network and Orphaned Series is when the author gives up on it.

Hmm, I do agree with your reading of Orphaned Series (the first few times I thought the second paragraph was saying Cancellation did count, but re-reading it turns out it's saying it doesn't), but Cut Short doesn't actually specify what kind of "unplanned event" counts - the way it's written I'd say the author having other obligations, facing personal money trouble, or running out of inspiration would qualify. I guess that'd make Cut Short a supertrope of Orphaned Series, Cut Short but fanfic, Cancellation and Author Existence Failure?

A question has been raised regarding the distinction between Continuity Snarl and Series Continuity Error. I'm pretty sure snarls are meant to be a subtrope of errors, but the only distinctions I can think of are the multiple-authors thing and a vaguely-defined sense that snarls are "bigger" than mere errors, which I'm not sure really makes a proper subtrope distinction.

Sometimes I feel like there isn't really a difference between Unintentionally Unsympathetic and Unintentionally Sympathetic and Designated Villain and Designated Hero.

Like: UU and DV and US and DH, right? Because UU and US are pretty obviously distinct from each other.

In any case, I would say a Designated Hero is by definition Unintentionally Unsympathetic, but Unintentionally Unsympathetic is broader than Designated Hero. It can also apply to, say, an otherwise sympathetic and well-liked character who does something dumb or bad that the work fails to justify properly. It can even apply to a villain whose Freudian Excuse falls flat. The same goes for Unintentionally Sympathetic and villains. Both tropes go beyond the 'hero'/'villain' dichotomy and can really apply to any character actions that are supposed to be un/sympathetic.

Edited by Synchronicity on May 17th 2020 at 6:20:00 AM

In other words, Unintentionally Sympathetic / Unintentionally Unsympathetic could qualify as the supertropes in a sense.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 17th 2020 at 7:20:43 AM

How does Adult Fear relate to Realism-Induced Horror? Asking this before I edit either page.