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KingLyger Man of the Multiverse from Lost in Forever Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Man of the Multiverse
Jun 30th 2018 at 9:14:42 PM

This post was deleted from the Wrong Genre Savvy page of Fan Fic, so I refined/clarified where the character gets their knowledge of tropes from in the hope of having the example re-added.

Edited by KingLyger on Jul 1st 2018 at 9:52:07 AM

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crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jul 1st 2018 at 10:05:21 AM

Before adding an example ask yourself "If this character was correct, would it change the genre?" if the answer is "no" then it doesn't belong here.
As a Ship Fic, I'd assume the genre wouldn't change if she was right, so this is an example of Genre Savvy, instead.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jul 3rd 2018 at 2:29:01 PM

I'd agree that's the Genre Savvy trope. The character is mistaking her role in the genre, not the genre itself. Isn't there a trope for villains who think they're the hero of the tale when they're not?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it's just not worth reading.
Jul 3rd 2018 at 2:37:37 PM You know how in "Eragon" everyone cries 'a single tear'? Yeah, just TRY that in "One Piece" and see if it works. - Formerly Narm Charm
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jul 3rd 2018 at 10:24:01 PM

Please check the warning on that trope.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jul 3rd 2018 at 11:43:28 PM

So not that, then.

You know how in "Eragon" everyone cries 'a single tear'? Yeah, just TRY that in "One Piece" and see if it works. - Formerly Narm Charm
Feb 19th 2020 at 4:54:09 PM

On WrongGenreSavvy.Fan Works, troper Marcus S Lazarus added a lengthy example that fails to meet the requirement that a Wrong Genre Savvy character must get their genre knowledge from In-Universe fiction; otherwise it's too easily misused for "character is wrong about anything."

I deleted it on these grounds, and the troper restored it without alteration and with an edit reason that does not address the problem.

Cross-posting on ATT to report the Edit War and P Ming the troper.

jjjj2 ... from Hallownest
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Apr 4th 2020 at 9:05:12 AM

This was deleted from Community S 5 E 05 Geothermal Escapism in 2016:

  • Genre Blindness:
    • For whatever reason, Britta is at disbelief that the students are taking the game so seriously for the first half of the episode. Even though the school has done this several times in the past. She waved off Jeff's suspicions about Chang's trap, believing nobody would care that much about the game. Although to be fair to Britta, everyone else does seem to be taking the fantasy to levels they've never quite gone to even in previous examples of Greendale taking children's games to Serious Business levels:
    Chang: You're in no position to make threats, Floorstridernote ! Our truce ended when you banished us from the payphone bench!
    Troy: You used that bench to upset The Balance. By the vapours of Magmorath, we will restore it.
    Britta: You have gods?!
    • The other study group members display a bit of this themselves, sneering at Britta's concerns that the Serious Business levels of the game might reflect Abed's fragile mental state at the prospect of Troy leaving as reflective of her poor psychology skills — conveniently forgetting the many other times that Abed's psyche has fractured due to a big change, often involving Troy.

It feels like a valid example of this trope, since Community is a show where things are generally taken to Serious Business levels. Specific examples would be paintball, as in Community S1 E23: Modern Warfare, Community S2 E23: A Fistful of Paintballs, Community S2 E24: For a Few Paintballs More, or a Pillow fight war such as in Community S 3 E 14 Pillows And Blankets.

Can I add it back?

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Apr 4th 2020 at 12:51:28 PM

That example appears to say that characters haven't learned from experience, and says nothing about works of fiction.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
jjjj2 ... from Hallownest
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Apr 4th 2020 at 1:22:55 PM

Tropes Are Flexible. The first paragraph of Genre Blind states: "condition afflicting many fictional characters, seen when one demonstrates by their behavior that they have never in their life ever seen the kind of story they're in", the type of story in Community is one where people take trivial things to Serious Business levels.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Apr 4th 2020 at 5:20:18 PM

I don't think it fits. Genre Blindness is along the lines of a character being confronted with a vampire and not even considering the traditional weaknesses— sunlight, holy symbols, etc.— as if vampire fiction simply doesn't exist in their universe. In Real Life, the fact that vampires are weak to sunlight is common knowledge, but vampires themselves are fictional. In a work with Genre Blindness about vampires, vampires might be real, but the fact that they're weak to sunlight is, for whatever reason, unknown.

In Real Life, it's not common knowledge that people in fictional community college take games of The Floor Is Lava way too seriously. There's no fictional genre where that's a common convention.

Edited by HighCrate on Apr 4th 2020 at 5:20:53 AM

crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Apr 5th 2020 at 1:47:42 AM

the type of story in Community is one where people take trivial things to Serious Business levels.
  1. That's not a "type of story"
  2. The example doesn't reference that "type of story", and you only posted evidence based on the fact that the series has done that similar plots before, which is prior experience, not fictional works.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jul 31st 2020 at 1:00:08 PM

Troper ~bibliophile20 added this entry to WrongGenreSavvy.Fan Works:

We've already gone back-and-forth once with me hiding it as not meeting the requirements for Genre Savvy (Wrong or otherwise), and them making alterations and unhiding it, so it seems like the best way to proceed is to bring it here for discussion.

Going through it line-by-line,

think and act as if they're in a Game of Thrones-style grimdark setting of musical backstabbing and Disproportionate Retribution

This makes me suspicious. Have they read Game of Thrones? If not, why are we talking about it?

which is justifiable, given their history with Vikings

This is making me think that this is misuse and not merely a lack of context; if they're acting from personal experience as opposed to knowledge of fictional tropes, that's not Genre Savvy.

And many of the Norse sagas also contain detailed accounts of Norse lords brutally feuding with one another.

This was added in the second revision, and it's the only thing that makes me think there might be a valid example here. Have the characters read the Norse sagas? Are they basing their actions on genre conventions they've observed in those works of fiction?

Edited by HighCrate on Jul 31st 2020 at 1:23:10 AM

Jul 31st 2020 at 3:19:52 PM

~High Crate, Just forget it. Consider it gone.

Edited by bibliophile20 on Jul 31st 2020 at 3:23:09 AM

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