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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
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Good points. I'll make the changes to the check next time I get a chance.
@8269-8271: The Magnificent Bastard page calls Guile Hero its Good Counterpart, which is presumably wrong.
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Yeah that's just a mistake on a part of both tropes' descriptions, but there's nothing wrong with the trope as a whole.
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~Fools Edit Account You are up next on the queue.
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Oh, wait I guess I accidentally skipped them? I swore I saw randomtroper89's name first. I'll check the history.
EDIT: Yep, random was first.
Edited by MacronNotes on Sep 3rd 2023 at 12:10:59 PM
Macron's notes
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Whoops I was wrong.
Nevermind Fools Edit, apologies.
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As I said elsewhere on the forums, I'm going to take a break from mod work until at least the middle of the week, so hollering will probably need to be done more often. I won't be completely offline (I'll still doing non-mod activities), but I won't be moderating for at least a few days.
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I've been noticing prominent TRSers outright deleting examples of tropes/trivia just because they contain wicks to another trope that has been renamed, cut or redefined. Please try not to do this.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Any examples? I'm not doubting that this may be the case, but I haven't seen it happen personally and having some specifics may help us to figure out what's going on.
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Just stoic wisdom.
As in like, an entry for Trope A that contains an in-line wick to disambiguated Trope B?
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If that's been happening, there shouldn't be a problem with restoring the entry without the wick for the page that was sent to TRS. I think most of us use our browsers' "find on page" functions to look for the wick for the page that's being cleaned up, so I'm guessing what happened is that an example that simply contained an inline wick for a TRS'd page was mistaken for an example for the TRS'd page in question due to the text of the bullet point being misread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 3rd 2023 at 3:26:57 AM
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FWIW I never do that. Not sure who is.
If you think I'm doing that Prfnoff, let me know where.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 3rd 2023 at 4:36:37 AM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
And in the event that I accidentally removed an example for the wrong trope/trivia/YMMV at some point, you have my permission to put the example back. (I'm positive this already wouldn't count as and Edit War, but I still felt it was worth mentioning this in the event that I made such a mistake in the past.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 3rd 2023 at 4:34:40 AM
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Updated Sapient Cetaceans Wick Check. How does it look now?
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think it looks fine. There might be a Missing Supertrope case here if a trope about cetaceans being sapient while otherwise differing very little (if at all) from real life cetaceans is being used to refer to either Funny Animals or cetacean-like aliens.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 3rd 2023 at 6:05:17 AM
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what is the Fantasy Character Classes page? it doesn't have any examples, but it's not listed as an exampleless supertrope as far as I'm aware. And it's certainly not an index given it's formatting and lack of indexing. it's kind of written like an analysis page, but it's also not in the analysis space.
i'm asking b/c someone else tried to point this out before, but the thread was immediately closed because "That seems to be too minor an issue to merit a TRS thread." [1]
Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 4th 2023 at 9:09:17 AM
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I agree that it looks more like an Analysis page than a trope, so I wouldn't have a problem with moving it to Analysis.Character Class, similarly to how Triang Relations was moved to Analysis.Love Triangle. Both that page and Triang Relations were made so long ago that their creation predates the current page history, if that matters, plus Triang Relations also had at least one TRS thread shot down before a more recent one was approved.
Similarly to Triang Relations, I'm not sure what a wick check would be looking for since a thread would be about the state of the page itself rather than how it's linked to elsewhere (though this is just my $0.02 and not a mod statement; I'm still taking a break from mod work for a few days, and just posting in an unofficial capacity for now).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 4th 2023 at 11:42:42 AM
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In the old thread, someone said it seems redundant to Fighter, Mage, Thief and there is a lot of overlap between them, so maybe it can be moved to that trope's analysis page?
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Someone on ATT actually brought up Fighter, Mage, Thief as a TRS candidate of it's own—IIRC it was ~Justa Username who did.
JustaUsername—do you still intend to wick check Fighter, Mage, Thief?
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Officially intimidated
What's the problem with FMT, though?
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Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Sep 4th 2023 at 6:41:02 AM
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Officially intimidated
Got it, thanks! ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
I actually got distracted. I had a bit of trouble trying to figure out how to use Notepad++ to count the pages due to lack of experience with the program and then after that gaming and a busy life came up. I guess maybe a clearer idea how to use Notepad++ or something else to count the numbers my enthusiasm would increase.
Honestly, I feel the issue with Fighter, Mage, Thief is that it's not just a subtrope of Three Approach System, it's also a subtrope to a Missing Supertrope to characters that fall under the "Strength, Sorcery, Finesse" vibe, hence why we have video game characters that don't fall under the Three Approach System despite fitting a similar vibe.
Some people say I'm lazy. It's hard to disagree.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
One easier way is to just copy and paste the related page itself into a list randomizer and take the ones that come to the top...
Or you can just scroll around at random like I do.
There's no need to use the more complicated number-generator method if it's not working out
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This is clearly correct:
This is not a straight example, but it's some form of playing with a trope rather than misuse:
Also, many of the wicks - both ZCEs and with context - seem to actually be referring to Cetacean Aliens, which might technically be misuse but I'm not sure is worth splitting off as a separate concept from portraying Earth cetaceans as intelligent, especially since the description already mentions genetic or technological enhancement (so it's not like this is a trope specifically built around works arguing dolphins are already sapient IRL).