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This thread is a metathread for Trope Repair Shop discussion. Things like TRS policy, what is needed in a TRS opening post, questions about whether a certain topic is TRS-worthy and questions about why a thread wasn't opened go here.

Some guidelines for when/whether to use TRS:

  • If the trope is fine, but has some bad examples, feel free to clean them up or to start a cleanup project at Projects: Short-Term. Trope Repair Shop is for when cleaning isn't sufficient.
  • If you think there's something wrong with the trope that systematically attracts improper examples, start a discussion at Trope Talk. Use a Wick Check to see whether there's an issue present (and if there is, what the issue is), and post the results on TRS Queue and wait your turn if a problem is present. The following methods are two possible ways to do a wick check (though not necessarily the only ways):
    • You can go ahead with the Wick Check without a discussion if you know what you're looking for. While it's not mandatory, feel free to ask someone for help confirming that you got the issue and the numbers correct.
    • Consult the Wick Check Project thread to collect evidence if you need help.
  • If a wick check is too much for you, you can leave the issue at Tropes Needing TRS citing the discussion.
  • Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.

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For related projects, see Wick Cleaning Projects and the Wick Check Project.

See Tropes Needing TRS for a list of trope candidates for TRS.

A (not mandatory, informal) queue for prospective TRS participants can be found at the TRS Queue.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4051: Feb 28th 2022 at 7:24:02 PM

[up][up] - Was gonna talk about The Messenger on the Works Diambig / Collision thread.

I'd keep the disambig, because someone might decide to make the cut page again or something.

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
Orbiting Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#4052: Feb 28th 2022 at 7:25:31 PM

Yeah, keep the disambig. Policy is to leave redlinks to cut pages alone if the page was cut for being a stub (as opposed to being cut for not being publicly viewable or for being porn).

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4053: Feb 28th 2022 at 7:25:51 PM

[up][up]Yeah, we should move the disambig talk to that thread. This isn't a TRS issue anymore.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 28th 2022 at 10:26:17 AM

Macron's notes
amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#4055: Mar 1st 2022 at 1:16:58 AM

Wrote something for Uncanny Valley in my sandbox. Definitely my next thread after Outnumbered Sibling gets made, since it's one of the ones I have some solid ideas for.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#4056: Mar 1st 2022 at 6:45:36 AM

Stun Guns is done. I'll try paging ~Tonwen this time because Not Gonna Do A Lot 4 didn't respond last time.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Tonwen HoMM Fan from Axeoth Since: Dec, 2021 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#4058: Mar 1st 2022 at 9:29:01 AM

Hey, so a couple of us at the Berserk Button cleanup are realizing that a good solution might be to relax one of the trope's rules a bit as a slight expansion. Are we allowed to do that? Or should the thread be resurrected just long enough to enact such a definition change? Or do we just need a crowner?

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#4059: Mar 1st 2022 at 9:34:10 AM

Definition issues are a TRS matter so I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to resurrect the thread just to discuss expanding/changing the definition. After the crowner concludes, we can just close the thread and regroup back to the BB cleaning thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 1st 2022 at 12:34:52 PM

Macron's notes
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#4060: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:30:58 PM

I'll just go ahead and bring the thread back now.

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
GastonRabbit MOD Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#4061: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:35:27 PM

Berserk Button's thread is back after pushing some non-berserk buttons to bring it back from the Morgue. What Macron said is doable is what's on the table; as I said in the thread, we're not renaming it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2022 at 2:36:04 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#4062: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:42:52 PM

Fair enough. Still think renaming would help, but it's definitely too much work. Perhaps the issue can be revisited after the cleanup starts chipping away at it...

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 1st 2022 at 3:43:32 PM

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#4063: Mar 1st 2022 at 12:45:59 PM

I suppose that's true. Deader Than Disco was renamed to Condemned by History after it had already been culled via its cleanup thread pre-rename, so it's possible that a later thread could put renaming on the table.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2022 at 2:46:51 PM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4064: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:34:36 PM

I'm wondering if Matter of Life and Death should be brought in. I just did a cursory glance at the page itself and half the examples are just the name of the work, and a quote where the words are said. Only the Literature folder has context and the Webcomics folder is just a bunch of weblinks.

E. damn autocorrect

Edited by Hello83433 on Mar 1st 2022 at 8:35:58 AM

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#4065: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:37:18 PM

It could probably fall into Administrivia.No New Stock Phrases if it describes the quote and not a trope.

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 1st 2022 at 4:37:28 PM

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4066: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:52:56 PM

It looks like it was created in 2010, and it only has 88 wicks, which is lower than I would expect for a 12 year-old trope.

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#4067: Mar 1st 2022 at 5:56:55 PM

(early 2009 actually, the history cuts off because it can't go that far)

Edited by Amonimus on Mar 1st 2022 at 4:57:24 PM

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
GastonRabbit Sounds good on paper (he/him) from Robinson, Illinois, USA (General of TV Troops) Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#4068: Mar 1st 2022 at 7:30:49 PM

That page predates No New Stock Phrases, but since we don't have a Grandfather Clause for meaningless stock phrases (hence why Stock Phrases Are Not Tropes exists as a redirect to No New Stock Phrases), it can be brought to TRS if it's meaningless. We'd probably need a wick check since it's in the thriving range, as opposed to other stock phrases like In Theory and Go Figure weren't thriving (despite the latter sounding like it would have had the potential to be abused as a Pothole Magnet in the vein of So Yeah).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2022 at 9:33:13 AM

Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
GrafVonTirol I've got the spirit but lose the feeling from a state of boredom (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Standing outside, playing "In Your Eyes" on the boombox
I've got the spirit but lose the feeling
#4069: Mar 1st 2022 at 8:02:28 PM

Put my name on the queue again. It just really bothers me that some subpages within Standard Snippet were put in the Music/ namespace and are still treated as tropes, or at the very least merely list instances they were in works. I heard there was at least one ATT about this, but nothing ever came of that.

1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 436/1089 (40.04%)
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#4070: Mar 1st 2022 at 8:03:41 PM

[up] Might that actually warrant a trope talk thread?

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#4071: Mar 2nd 2022 at 10:53:56 AM

I've written up a starting post for my join Pretty Boy and Bishōnen thread on my personal sandbox. I'd like it looked over before I end up on the queue.

TRS Wick Cleaning
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
themayorofsimpleton Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him from Elsewhere (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
GoldenCityBird from the UK Since: Oct, 2018
#4075: Mar 2nd 2022 at 11:05:35 AM

Thanks! I'll go add myself to the Queue.

TRS Wick Cleaning

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