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Karxrida Art by @anoderp from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Sep 14th 2019 at 11:18:17 AM

That's a strangely arbitrary reading of the rule. Besides, we already put a big fat "Here There Be Spoilers" warning on the page.

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WarJay77 Spooky Scary from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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Sep 14th 2019 at 11:22:55 AM

Right, and with said warning on the page, the people who still go and read the page are to blame. We're not responsible for spoiling people who ignore the warning and read on. We can't protect people from themselves. Spoilers Off means that spoilers won't be hidden, not that they just aren't marked.

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Sep 14th 2019 at 11:23:10 AM

[up][up][up] It's pretty clear what it means. No spoiler tags. The fact we give a giant reading of "yes, it has unmarked spoilers" should be enough for people to leave the page if they don't want to see anything like that.

The most we can do is perhaps label the link that goes to it as "spoiler characters" or something, just to give a double warning. If somebody still goes in, they have nobody but themselves to blame at that point.

Edited by Irene on Sep 14th 2019 at 1:23:38 PM

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King of Nitpicking
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:20:23 PM

[up]Did you miss the entire discussion revolving around not using "spoiler character?"

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:21:06 PM

[up][up]Yes, that's what I said in my post: Spoilers Off means "no spoiler tags". There are no spoiler tags on Ace Attorney: Witnesses and Other Characters - Spirit of Justice, and Datz's real name is the first thing you see when opening the folder anyway. Now that I changed the "Spoiler Character" folder, we can leave that page alone and move on to the Big Hero 6 and Breath of the Wild ones.

Edit: [nja]'d

Edited by rjd1922 on Sep 14th 2019 at 2:21:41 PM

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F E A R
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:32:34 PM

[up][up] I believe they're talking about the main character page having a little spoiler warning next to links to spoilery subpages.

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:34:23 PM

[up][up][up] You might be thinking of listing a folder as "spoiler character". I am not talking about that whatsoever. What I was talking about is that making the link to the page, when split-off, to say "spoiler characters" as a clear warning.

Very different points. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't miss the part about folders(which again, isn't what I'm referring to).

[up] What they said, basically.

Edited by Irene on Sep 14th 2019 at 2:35:55 PM

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:45:42 PM

[up]Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to warn when linking to a character page with all spoilers unmarked.

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Sep 14th 2019 at 12:55:37 PM

Okay. That's what I think works best. Do that, then put a giant header of "spoilers unmarked", then have the folders as normal closed, but with zero spoiler markings among them(which is a given with what I said a moment ago).

This fixes a lot of it while giving enough ample warning.

The issue would be cases of how to divide various characters up. Like some might fit in one category(take Ducktales 2017. We have three characters who fit under potentially Major or Minor Antagonists, but also fall under the "Friends and Family of Mcducks". That type of thing). What's the best way to resolve that? Just stick with spoilers unmarked? Have them in different categories to begin with?

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 15th 2019 at 11:19:17 AM

I got Characters.The Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild Others; really, it wasn't a spoiler at all. The fact that the Master Sword was in the game is not a spoiler, and I covered the few actual spoilers inside the folder.

Characters.Big Hero 6 Others should be able to be changed to just "Liv (spoilers)" right? I haven't seen the source, but I don't think just the first name is a major spoiler.

Characters.Fallout New Vegas Old World Blues is trickier. The big spoiler is that this thing is a character at all; it was assumed to be a MacGuffin until you find it and talk to it. So... maybe just "The Brain (spoilers)" will work? Or even "A Lost Brain (spoilers)".

rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 15th 2019 at 11:22:10 AM

[up]The spoiler is that the "Liv Amara" we see for most of the series is actually a clone, so I don't think that will work. I previously suggested just merging it with her clone's folder, since the real Liv gets very short screentime.

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Sep 15th 2019 at 5:43:50 PM

[up] That sounds reasonable. Everything in the folder about her real identity can be in spoiler tags.

Edit: Yes, not literally everything. "Everything" while still abiding by the spoiler policy.

Edited by Tabs on Sep 15th 2019 at 9:12:32 AM

bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Sep 15th 2019 at 6:25:35 PM

[up] Well, not everything. Trope names and the description must remain tag-free.

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 16th 2019 at 5:27:29 PM

The Nostalgia Critic: Other Characters has Mara Wilson and Dante Basco's folders titled "Spoiler Character". Should the folders just have their names?

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bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Sep 16th 2019 at 5:38:36 PM

[up] Quite obviously, yes.

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rjd1922 Paladin from Illinois Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Paladin
Sep 25th 2019 at 9:01:31 AM

I changed the Nostalgia Critic and Old World Blues ones, but found another one: Kuron on Voltron: Legendary Defender - Team Voltron.

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Sep 26th 2019 at 3:54:27 PM

Deltarune is Spoilers Off, but its YMMV page is not. If the main page doesn't use spoiler tags, shouldn't the same rule apply to all of its subpages as well?

Karxrida Art by @anoderp from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Sep 26th 2019 at 3:58:15 PM

Probably.

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F E A R
Sep 26th 2019 at 4:27:24 PM

[up][up] I scrubbed the spoiler tags off the YMMV and Trivia pages for the SU movie a few weeks back under that assumption and no one tried to add them back, so yeah, I gusss.

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Sep 26th 2019 at 6:46:09 PM

I got rid of spoiler tags on YMMV.Deltarune.

Here's a somewhat complicated case: in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood, Straizo is a minor ally to the heroes. In the next part, Battle Tendency, he pulls a Face–Heel Turn and returns as the Starter Villain after turning himself into a vampire. The result is that his folder on Characters.Jojos Bizarre Adventure Phantom Blood is loaded with Self Fulfilling Spoilers. His vampirism is even treated as a spoiler and hidden on Battle Tendency's pages, despite it happening in the first episode of that part.

One solution could be to give Straizo two folders, one on each part he appears in, with his Part 1 folder vaguely alluding to his return in part 2 and directing the reader to that page for info, and to not treat his vampirism as a spoiler on Part 2 pages.

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F E A R
Sep 26th 2019 at 6:48:09 PM

[up] That's sounds good.

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Karxrida Art by @anoderp from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Art by @anoderp
Sep 26th 2019 at 9:12:54 PM

I'm also down with that.

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Sep 30th 2019 at 1:56:07 PM

I've split Straizo's folder between the Part 1 and 2 pages.

Dr. Stone used spoiler tags to hide the fact that Senku, the main character, seemingly dies but later comes back to life, which is something that happens in a very early episode. It also treated Gen's Heel–Face Turn as a spoiler, despite it happening just one or two episodes after his introduction and him becoming a major ally afterwards. I removed spoiler tags for both of these things since they're not really spoilers at all.

However, one other issue is that it inconsistently handles the twist that Senku's last name is Ishigami, which is the same name as the village, proving that the village's founder is Senku's father. Some examples treat Senku's name as a spoiler while leaving the village's name visible, and others do the opposite (Characters.Dr Stone, for example, has Senku's name listed as "Senku Ishigami" in his folder, and previously used a spoiler tag to hide the village's name in the heading [which I changed to just "The Village", since spoiler tags aren't allowed in headings]), which means that if you read through the page, you will end up seeing the name used in reference to both Senku and the village.

bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Sep 30th 2019 at 10:25:20 PM

The Doctor Who recaps have a long history of spoiler policy violations.

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