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That's a strangely arbitrary reading of the rule. Besides, we already put a big fat "Here There Be Spoilers" warning on the page.
Right, and with said warning on the page, the people who still go and read the page are to blame. We're not responsible for spoiling people who ignore the warning and read on. We can't protect people from themselves. Spoilers Off means that spoilers won't be hidden, not that they just aren't marked.
It's pretty clear what it means. No spoiler tags. The fact we give a giant reading of "yes, it has unmarked spoilers" should be enough for people to leave the page if they don't want to see anything like that.
The most we can do is perhaps label the link that goes to it as "spoiler characters" or something, just to give a double warning. If somebody still goes in, they have nobody but themselves to blame at that point.
Edited by Irene on Sep 14th 2019 at 1:23:38 PM
Did you miss the entire discussion revolving around not using "spoiler character?"
Yes, that's what I said in my post: Spoilers Off means "no spoiler tags". There are no spoiler tags on Ace Attorney: Witnesses and Other Characters - Spirit of Justice, and Datz's real name is the first thing you see when opening the folder anyway. Now that I changed the "Spoiler Character" folder, we can leave that page alone and move on to the Big Hero 6 and Breath of the Wild ones.
Edited by rjd1922 on Sep 14th 2019 at 2:21:41 PM
I believe they're talking about the main character page having a little spoiler warning next to links to spoilery subpages.
You might be thinking of listing a folder as "spoiler character". I am not talking about that whatsoever. What I was talking about is that making the link to the page, when split-off, to say "spoiler characters" as a clear warning.
Very different points. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't miss the part about folders(which again, isn't what I'm referring to).
What they said, basically.
Edited by Irene on Sep 14th 2019 at 2:35:55 PM
Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to warn when linking to a character page with all spoilers unmarked.
Okay. That's what I think works best. Do that, then put a giant header of "spoilers unmarked", then have the folders as normal closed, but with zero spoiler markings among them(which is a given with what I said a moment ago).
This fixes a lot of it while giving enough ample warning.
The issue would be cases of how to divide various characters up. Like some might fit in one category(take Ducktales 2017. We have three characters who fit under potentially Major or Minor Antagonists, but also fall under the "Friends and Family of Mcducks". That type of thing). What's the best way to resolve that? Just stick with spoilers unmarked? Have them in different categories to begin with?
In addition to The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild: Others and Big Hero 6: Others, Fallout: New Vegas - Old World Blues also has a "Spoiler Character" folder.
I got Characters.The Legend Of Zelda Breath Of The Wild Others; really, it wasn't a spoiler at all. The fact that the Master Sword was in the game is not a spoiler, and I covered the few actual spoilers inside the folder.
Characters.Big Hero 6 Others should be able to be changed to just "Liv (spoilers)" right? I haven't seen the source, but I don't think just the first name is a major spoiler.
Characters.Fallout New Vegas Old World Blues is trickier. The big spoiler is that this thing is a character at all; it was assumed to be a MacGuffin until you find it and talk to it. So... maybe just "The Brain (spoilers)" will work? Or even "A Lost Brain (spoilers)".
The spoiler is that the "Liv Amara" we see for most of the series is actually a clone, so I don't think that will work. I previously suggested just merging it with her clone's folder, since the real Liv gets very short screentime.
That sounds reasonable. Everything in the folder about her real identity can be in spoiler tags.
Edit: Yes, not literally everything. "Everything" while still abiding by the spoiler policy.
Edited by Tabs on Sep 15th 2019 at 9:12:32 AM
Well, not everything. Trope names and the description must remain tag-free.
The Nostalgia Critic: Other Characters has Mara Wilson and Dante Basco's folders titled "Spoiler Character". Should the folders just have their names?
Quite obviously, yes.
I changed the Nostalgia Critic and Old World Blues ones, but found another one: Kuron on Voltron: Legendary Defender - Team Voltron.
Deltarune is Spoilers Off, but its YMMV page is not. If the main page doesn't use spoiler tags, shouldn't the same rule apply to all of its subpages as well?
I scrubbed the spoiler tags off the YMMV and Trivia pages for the SU movie a few weeks back under that assumption and no one tried to add them back, so yeah, I gusss.
I got rid of spoiler tags on YMMV.Deltarune.
Here's a somewhat complicated case: in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood, Straizo is a minor ally to the heroes. In the next part, Battle Tendency, he pulls a Face–Heel Turn and returns as the Starter Villain after turning himself into a vampire. The result is that his folder on Characters.Jojos Bizarre Adventure Phantom Blood is loaded with Self Fulfilling Spoilers. His vampirism is even treated as a spoiler and hidden on Battle Tendency's pages, despite it happening in the first episode of that part.
One solution could be to give Straizo two folders, one on each part he appears in, with his Part 1 folder vaguely alluding to his return in part 2 and directing the reader to that page for info, and to not treat his vampirism as a spoiler on Part 2 pages.
That's sounds good.
I'm also down with that.
I've split Straizo's folder between the Part 1 and 2 pages.
Dr. Stone used spoiler tags to hide the fact that Senku, the main character, seemingly dies but later comes back to life, which is something that happens in a very early episode. It also treated Gen's Heel–Face Turn as a spoiler, despite it happening just one or two episodes after his introduction and him becoming a major ally afterwards. I removed spoiler tags for both of these things since they're not really spoilers at all.
However, one other issue is that it inconsistently handles the twist that Senku's last name is Ishigami, which is the same name as the village, proving that the village's founder is Senku's father. Some examples treat Senku's name as a spoiler while leaving the village's name visible, and others do the opposite (Characters.Dr Stone, for example, has Senku's name listed as "Senku Ishigami" in his folder, and previously used a spoiler tag to hide the village's name in the heading [which I changed to just "The Village", since spoiler tags aren't allowed in headings]), which means that if you read through the page, you will end up seeing the name used in reference to both Senku and the village.
The Doctor Who recaps have a long history of spoiler policy violations.
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