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One thing I've noticed is that for all how the page for They Might Be Giants claims them to be the unofficial official band of this wiki, there's relatively few people on this site who seem to ever reference them.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 28th 2023 at 7:19:52 AM

Bluethorn Just a Mettaur from Alligator New York City Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Just a Mettaur
#6401: May 18th 2022 at 3:50:57 PM

Parental Bonus, I guess.

Speaking of that, I just noticed that Wakko's face in that page picture looks hilariously weird.

Edited by Bluethorn on May 18th 2022 at 3:52:52 AM

A great Mascot Mook.
DrNoPuma The Black Hog from somewhere (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: I think I love you, so what am I so afraid of?
#6402: May 18th 2022 at 8:05:01 PM

[up]:oD

Edited by DrNoPuma on May 18th 2022 at 11:06:01 AM

He may be a giant, nightmarish brute, but like all villains in this series,he sure can sing.
harryhenry It's either real or it's a dream Since: Jan, 2012
It's either real or it's a dream
#6403: May 18th 2022 at 8:48:47 PM

I appreciate the Word Cruft article calling out "*shudder*" as an overused term under Gratuitous Emoting: That phrase was all over Nightmare Fuel entries and it drove me nuts.

GenericGuy2000 I’m here, I guess. from a generic place. Since: Aug, 2021 Relationship Status: Cast away
I’m here, I guess.
#6404: May 18th 2022 at 9:53:56 PM

[up]Hopefully I'm not overstepping a boundary in saying this, but some parts of that page, while I'm not arguing against the points being made specifically, feel kind of mean. Like the "Science cannot explain it" at the start of the Mind-Boggling Verbal Tics bullet point or this bit on in the About Rhetorical Question bullet point: "Unfortunately, an explosion in a lead paint chips factory in Montana has left a fair chunk of the internet with the approximate IQ of a brain-damaged gibbon." Are bits like this really necessary in informing tropers what writing choices they should avoid using?

I’m gonna put some Gloom in your eye.
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#6405: May 18th 2022 at 9:58:05 PM

Okay, you have three guesses as to who wrote all that on the page several years ago, and the first two don't count.

It was the fast one again

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mightymewtron Lots of coffee from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lots of coffee
#6406: May 18th 2022 at 9:58:13 PM

I'm wondering if Fighteer's behind it, it sounds like his brand of snark. I'd say maybe Eddie but I don't know how anti-Word Cruft he even was.

[up] Ah, ninja'd so I look like I'm missing the point. [lol]

Edited by mightymewtron on May 18th 2022 at 12:58:42 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#6407: May 18th 2022 at 10:00:06 PM

Main.Word Cruft is a redirect now, so you can check the history if you want to verify [lol]

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mightymewtron Lots of coffee from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lots of coffee
#6408: May 18th 2022 at 10:03:26 PM

Oooh... that page did not used to say "brain-dead." It said something less PC.

I shouldn't be surprised... back in the early 2010s I guess you could just straight-up put slurs in guidelines pages.

Edited by mightymewtron on May 18th 2022 at 1:04:02 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
WarJay77 Discarded and Feeling Blue (Troper Knight)
Discarded and Feeling Blue
#6409: May 18th 2022 at 10:06:43 PM

Talk about keepin' it breezy...

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#6410: May 19th 2022 at 1:44:07 AM

It's not our fault. Back in the 2000s or very early 2010s, people simply were much less offendable and/or such words weren't seen as negatively. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you to decide.

On an unrelated note, we now have 600000 articles!

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Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
#6412: May 19th 2022 at 4:58:50 AM

I actually agree that the Word Cruft page may be a little too snarky for its own good. Maybe bring it up in Outdated Pages if you're concerned?

[up] Damn, we've grown.

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FernandoLemon Nobody Here from Argentina (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: In season
#6413: May 19th 2022 at 7:14:14 AM

[up][up][up] And about a tenth of them are Recap/ pages, of course. Are you going to make a thread about it like you did for 50K? (Good stuff for Trope Report, by the way.)

Edited by FernandoLemon on May 19th 2022 at 11:14:22 AM

I'd like to apologize for all this.
Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#6414: May 19th 2022 at 7:20:16 AM

Nah, I think it's not that major to need a whole thread. More likely at the big 1,000,000. However, it definitely deserves a mention on Trope Report and Timeline.TV Tropes.

Edited by Piterpicher on May 19th 2022 at 4:29:56 PM

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good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#6415: May 19th 2022 at 8:44:24 AM

Hopefully I'm not overstepping a boundary in saying this, but some parts of that page, while I'm not arguing against the points being made specifically, feel kind of mean. Like the "Science cannot explain it" at the start of the Mind-Boggling Verbal Tics bullet point or this bit on in the About Rhetorical Question bullet point: "Unfortunately, an explosion in a lead paint chips factory in Montana has left a fair chunk of the internet with the approximate IQ of a brain-damaged gibbon." Are bits like this really necessary in informing tropers what writing choices they should avoid using?
I completely agree, I've always found a few Administrivia pages to be unnecessarily aggressive and mean, especially that one. It acts as if everyone who makes these "crufts" were part of the "Fan Myopia troper" archetype when many of the examples said there are just typical in amateur writing. This should teach new users how to write good and concise examples, not blame the old ones for all the problems in the wiki.

oh hey how are you doing?
RacattackForce Since: Aug, 2009
#6416: May 19th 2022 at 9:28:39 AM

I have a slight disdain for examples that bring up other works. It's understandable why it happens (Fan Myopia and all that jazz), so I can't say it's odd to see stuff like "X doesn't do this trope as much as much as Y, which is good considering how much it ruined Y" stapled at the end of a YMMV entry. It can be good shorthand. But only when the reader in question knows Y well enough to understand the comparison, which isn't exactly a guarantee even if Friendly Fandoms is in play.

Edited by RacattackForce on May 19th 2022 at 12:29:34 PM

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The Resilient One
#6417: May 19th 2022 at 9:46:42 AM

I feel like the sheer amount of trope pages is overwhelming. There is no way I could plausibly browse them all in an effort to contribute to the pages for my favorite media!

Still, as an older user who's been around for a while (off and on) it is nice to see the wiki thriving as it is. smile

Edited by Misuki on May 19th 2022 at 11:47:06 AM

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Har har har
#6418: May 19th 2022 at 10:09:07 AM

There's a page for DethroningMoment.Animation Domination High Def, but there isn't an actual work page for Animation Domination High Def. Literally the main presence this YouTube channel has on the website is through peopple complaining about it (specifically the "Scientifically Accurate (X)" videos).

Please visit the "AITA" forum game
RacattackForce Since: Aug, 2009
#6419: May 19th 2022 at 10:26:25 AM

[up] That's honestly impressive.

Misuki The Resilient One from Eagleland (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Resilient One
#6420: May 19th 2022 at 10:46:51 AM

[up][up] A different sort of dedication, I suppose.

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#6422: May 19th 2022 at 2:13:22 PM

To be clear, if you can't keep track of every single trope, that's okay. There's like 30000 of them, no-one can manage everything at once. Just stick to what you need at the moment, or perhaps what you want to get more wicks, as long the examples are actually examples.

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mightymewtron Lots of coffee from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lots of coffee
#6423: May 19th 2022 at 6:56:12 PM

I wonder how many people learned the word "egregious" from this site.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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I'm helping!
#6424: May 19th 2022 at 6:58:01 PM

An egregious number, we presume

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Bluethorn Just a Mettaur from Alligator New York City Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Just a Mettaur
#6425: May 19th 2022 at 6:58:20 PM

...All of them, probably.

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