Tief girl with eartude
What about (some ideas for deconstructions, too, since the PWW entry doesn't seem to have them):
- Deconstruction:
- The Bob is genuinely happy with his job, and isn't interested in pursuing a relationship as a result.
- Alice doesn't spend that much time away from home, but her spouse is revealed to be a needlessly clingy and fails to appreciate how hard she works.
- Reconstruction:
- His "I'm happy alone" persona is just how he deals with it. Bob's incredibly lonely.
- Alice's spouse ended up that way because she kept leaving him alone for weeks at a time before dialling it down.
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The second point looks more like a Subversion/Double Subversion. I'm not sure how the first point is even related to the trope.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
Which second/first point? We have two entries that have two subentries each. That said... I too find myself stumped on what relevance those "examples" are for Deconstructing or Reconstructing Married to the Job.
On a different note, do the following PlayingWith.Ax Crazy's entries look right to you guys?
- Justified:
- Edward was intentionally shaped into a homicidal maniac by the cult that raised him.
- Or is an Artificial Human whose mind was corrupted during his conception.
- Or he's just a psychopath.
- Or he's completely insane and doesn't have restraints
(...)
- Deconstructed:
- Edward suffers from a genetic disorder that causes frequent hallucinations, bringing back memories of his traumatic, abusive childhood; he reacts violently, striking down anyone in his path and believing it all to be in self-defense.
- His sociopathic elements do not stem from genetic issues or a Freudian Excuse; it stems from his raw determination to do whatever it takes to achieve a goal. However, others fear the fact that this person is really Not So Different from themselves; thus, they call him "insane" as a way to make it more "acceptable" to kill him.
- Under the mentality that Insane Equals Violent, the public ostracizes anyone with a psychological disorder as they believe "psychological disorder" automatically means "insane serial killer in waiting." This deprives the individual of crucial social support that would help him/her recover from or cope with the disorder.
- Reconstructed: Edward realizes his problem and isolates himself from society, unwilling to face the consequences should he go berserk in the middle of a crowd.
The thing is, I'm exactly clear on what differentiates Justified Trope from Deconstructed Trope in cases like these, where the trope is about a negative condition of body and/or mind, and thus justifying the trope requires giving a reason for reaching such a condition, which overlaps with the "show what circumstances would cause the trope to manifest in real life" part of Deconstructed Trope's definition.
edited 31st Aug '15 3:09:13 AM by MarqFJA
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Tief girl with eartude
I think the main difference is that in a deconstruction, the trope is played straight in a manner that shows it makes no sense or has some dark element to it (compared to a parody, which exaggerates it to make it funny).
So, a deconstruction would be more along the lines of how someone like him could possibly function (i.e. he can't get away with it for long, and he's locked up where he can't do any harm, if there's no way to treat him). A justification would just explain why he's Ax-Crazy:
- Justified: [insert any semi-plausable explanation for a serious mental illness here]
- Deconstructed:
- Edward's condition, far from making him a terrifying monster, makes him a tragic figure. He and those around him take great pains to make sure he doesn't do anyone any harm.
- Edward being blindly violent means he's quickly identified as a danger and institutionalised.
RE: Married to the job. I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote those, so I didn't think it through. v_v
edited 16th Sep '15 5:41:31 AM by Bisected8
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God Mode Sue's playing with page uses a mess of names instead of just one. Can someone fix that? I would, but I am a bit occupied right now.
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Tief girl with eartude
I've given it the Alice and Bob treatment (but I kept Lily as a name, because I'm sick of typing Alice).
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Red Like Santa
Can I cut So Bad Its Horrible?
I mean, it's extremely subjective, and I don't think you can really play with it.
edited 25th Sep '15 11:15:40 AM by hamza678
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[screaming in the distance]
Is Interface Spoiler suitable for this? It's kinda of a meta trope, I mean... Are meta tropes ever played with?
edited 25th Oct '15 1:49:30 PM by PinkCelebi
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Tief girl with eartude
Certainly. There might be some ways you can't play with it, but even gameplay tropes can be played with.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I just remembered that we still haven't made a proper decision w.r.t. The Empire. Original post
, and first attempt at reviving the discussion.
Tief girl with eartude
Just glancing, the basic trope needs work (it misses the autocratic aspects, skims over the conquering aspects and the part about it being comfortable to live is optional).
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Something about Frothy Mugs of Water seems wrong. Its supposed to be about censorship, not a character lying.
Tief girl with eartude
I agree; it seems to have missed the point and made it about In-Universe claims, instead.
EDIT: I've tried changing it (and moved PWW tropes that can't really be applied to out-of-universe censorship to the commented out section).
edited 20th Feb '16 6:42:46 AM by Bisected8
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
In the real-life section of Universal Poison, the example of a sea slug species that uses a huge number of biotoxins simultaneously to simulate the effect of the trope. Is this Justified Trope, or Inverted Trope? Or something else?
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Queen of Neith
What would be Playing With Mon with these and other ones?
Basic Trope: Monsters you can collect and fight with.
- Straight: In a world of Tropemons, everyone uses Tropemons to fight, collect, research and do anything for work. When children reach the age of 12, they officially acquire their Tropemon Trainer License to fight in the Tropemon Coalition.
- Exaggerated: ???
- Downplayed: Tropemons exist but people just simply go on with their normal lives as usual.
- Justified: Tropemons have been discovered to have supernatural and superhuman powers by people.
- Inverted: Tropemons collect humans and use them to fight with.
- Subverted: Bob tries to collect Tropemons. The Tropemons just eat him.
- Parodied: Society is obsessed with collecting Tropemons to the point of having the education system is built around the concept.
- Zig Zagged: ???
- Averted: There are no Tropemons in this world, just normal animals.
- Enforced: "We want to sell and appeal to kids for the merchendise!"
- Invoked: ???
- Exploited: People decide on using Tropemons to do everything they want to do such and corporations decide on making products manufactured and processed from Tropemons.
- Defied: Tropemons absolutely refuse to be collected.
- Discussed: ???
- Conversed: ???
- Deconstructed:
In a darker fashion, people start abusing Tropemons to their own ends, causing Tropemons to start a rebellion and revolution to kill their own masters
A animal rights groups, fundamentalists and other groups protest and condemn life based on Tropemons.
In a darker fashion, people start abusing Tropemons to their own ends, causing Tropemons to start a rebellion and revolution to kill their own masters
A animal rights groups, fundamentalists and other groups protest and condemn life based on Tropemons.
edited 13th Nov '16 2:00:56 AM by Huthman
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Queen of Neith
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Basic Trope: Your real parents are much more exciting than your other-ones.
- Straight: 10-year old Piper discovers she is a part of a royal family in a fantasy world.
- Exaggerated: ???
- Downplayed: ???
- Justified: Piper was sent to a Muggle family in our world to protect her from a powerful enemy.
- Inverted: Victorie disappointingly discovers she is a daughter from a Muggle family in a modern world.
- Subverted: ???
- Parodied: ???
- Zig Zagged: ???
- Averted: Piper is just a normal girl from a normal family.
- Enforced: ???
- Invoked: ???
- Exploited: ???
- Defied: ???
- Discussed: ???
- Conversed: ???
- Implied: ???
- Deconstructed: ???
- Reconstructed: ???
- Played For Laughs: ???
- Played For Drama: ???
Queen of Neith
This thread is inactive and possibly dead. Come go to this link below if you want to get a response.
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Closed the other thread; I think it makes more sense to use the older one.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
The persistent lack of participation would indicate otherwise, Septimus.
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Queen of Neith
I agree with that. The reason that I created it so that, this inactive, possibly dead thread could be replaced.
Dear Septimus,
I have created the previous thread to build my Playing With projects of Mon, WorldOfSilence and ChangelingFantasy.
edited 26th Dec '16 2:33:55 AM by Huthman
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Seems more like the issue was that the thread was in the wrong forum. Unfortunately we don't have a way to place a thread in two fora at the same time.
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The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
... So you're saying that this thread is more of a Trope Talk thing than a Perpetual/Long-Term Projects one? Then why not just "migrate" the thread to Trope Talk?
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It is both. That's why it's an issue to have the thread in only one forum.
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World's Toughest Milkman
If this thread is dead, I see no reason to expect that creating a new thread will magically fix things. No matter which forum its in.
I think the real reason has nothing to do with the forum. It's simply that this is hard, and not very high on most people's priority lists. If it were easy, people wouldn't be asking for help. We have so many variations these days. And of course, only the tricky ones end up here in the first place. So it's not surprising that people struggle to fill out the tricky ones.
You can't force volunteers to do the work you want done. You can ask for help, but you have to be prepared to be ignored, and end up forced to work things out on your own, if you really think it's that important.
And, in particular, switching forums and/or starting new threads is not going to force people to help you achieve your goals.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
Can Married to the Job be given the Reconstructed Trope treatment? I can't imagine how, to be honest.
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