Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

ugh. i keep forgetting about that

edit: I noticed Laundry Pizza 03 removed the example from Monster from Beyond the Veil; questions of misuse aside, i thought editors were forbidden from removing examples for being "nlrep candidates"

Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Feb 13th 2024 at 12:35:05 PM

Very well. Notify me when the cleanup is done.

"Get Help With English" time: It should be "NRLEP candidates", not "nlrep candidates". I'm here to help you.

Cleanup's done and a blank crowner was hooked.

Is Terminally Dependent Society too controversial? It might also be impossible, since the description suggests that it’s a Phlebotinum related trope, and water and medicine aren’t supernatural.

As this was flagged when LRLEO was first discussed, I'd like to propose a limit on RL Role-Ending Misdemeanor:

• I'd like to cut the Adult Films section, given that the wiki generally avoids covering those works.

More generally, it there's a wish to cut the sport, Beauty Pageants and Modeling and other non-creator RL examples, I'd be comfortable supporting that.

The description positions this as applying to a "performer or creator", and some of these categories seem to go beyond that.

Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 19th 2024 at 3:00:32 PM

hang on, warjay and i objected to British Royal Guards on the basis that it was not a stereotype on the level of racist/sexist/etc stereotypes and was simply about british guards

can i get clarification on how many votes are needed to NOT add something to a crowner?

I agree and believe Hostility on the Set should receive a similar cleanup.

x4 Agreed, this is very ROCEJ-violating, and sometimes complainy. For example:

• The biosphere ITSELF. Without it we die. Period. Mankind does not have the technology to live without a functional biosphere nor do we have the tech to comfortably leave earth and find a new home in the stars. On a lesser level civilization can't truly thrive and excel to the best of its ability when the environment constantly changes. ^note There is a reason why virtually all African civilizations failed to continuously control large expanses of land compared to non-African civilizations.

Edited by LaundryPizza03 on Feb 19th 2024 at 9:15:38 AM

That is an easy cut. Egypt, Nubia, Ethiopia, Mali/Songhai, and Morocco are major counterexamples.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Feb 19th 2024 at 12:16:23 PM

Does Snail Mail sound like it contains streotyping and rumors about postal service in countries?

~Miss Oranje Disco Dancer

I passed this one over to the wider team when you first flagged it after the Crowner was updated, as I'd already been active on the thread and involved in the Crowner. However, I'm conscious that you haven't had a response, and we're light on the ground this week, so I'm responding after all -

• We're not saying that all stereotypes are equally bad, just that there is a broad concern about using any sort of stereotype for Real Life examples.
• Objections based on subjective opinion aren't treated in the same way as concerns about factual inaccuracies. There is no hard rule, but if it looks as if there's little support for a crowner, it probably won't get added to a Crowner.

How much weight tropers want to give to a particular type of stereotyping (or to things like a trope description that's always stated it's for fictional examples only) is largely a question for the Crowner to decide.

In this case, most tropers who voted decided on NRLEP, and the balance of votes was well into the consensus range. The Crowner entry linked back to the discussion, which included those objections.

The Crowner was called, and the view from other mods who talked about it (or, at least, those who joined the conversation) was that the result is final and the decision stands.

I mean, yeah, it is what it is. Sometimes you just get outvoted.

Somewhat, yes. Much of the content is indeed describing possible urban legends.

I would like to add Pimping the Offspring to No Real Life Examples. It is unfortunately something that happens in real life, mostly in poverty-stricken locales, and I believe it is squicky enough to deserve the NRLEP.

Unsettling Gender-Reveal is also on that index, but had a RL section. Cut the examples, added the usual warning.

Does markup currently work?

Does [[noreallife]] markup currently work?

Thanks for the answer. Okay, we’ll see how that fix goes, but if it doesn’t work, textual warnings will probably have to do. There’s also the index, but that’s not visible when editing, unless the edit warning were connected to the index.

Edited by Lymantria on Feb 26th 2024 at 11:25:02 AM

Don't see the point of the tag when the indexing does the job, and the banner can be reflected by indexes like the working banners do. But that's for the devs to decide.

This does answer however if it should still be kept, something I've been pondering.

Yeah. I would be a little surprised if we decided to drive any new logic from the tag rather than from an edit-locked central index.

But it might still have a use (e.g. as a back-up or tactical workaround), I guess.

Worth noting that X-Pac Heat (where The Scrappy hate extends to the performer, not just the character) already has some very restrictive LRLEO rules applied - it's only for professional wrestling, and only when the reaction is visible in an on-camera live audience.

This was agreed before the new index and LRLEO crowner model was introduced, so we may want to add it to the index. I'm assuming we don't want to put it back through a Crowner vote, but open to other perspectives.

I think we can just go ahead and add it to the LRLEO index since it already has the restrictions mentioned on its own page, and just isn't listed on a Sectionectomy index. I can wait for more feedback first, though, if you'd prefer to do that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 26th 2024 at 6:48:51 AM