Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
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- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- There must be a 2:1 ratio
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As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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+8 -3. I'd give it another few days just in case.
The Draftsman of Doom
No-lifer
Think it's about time to cutlist the RL subpage.
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The Draftsman of Doom
At 14:4? Yes.
Feels good, don't it?
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
It's on the cutlist. Scissors time.
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Short-Term Projects herald
EnsembleDarkHorse.Real Life has been dewicked.
Contains 20% less fat than the leading value brand!
No-lifer
Perhaps we should talk about the folders on the NRLEP page. In the Sex, Sexuality, and Rape Tropes folder, there are a lot of tropes that have little if anything to do with those subjects (like Attraction Tropes), but are there anyway because if they are even slightly related to sex, they go in that folder.
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
I don't think all of those tropes were discussed, they're only there as sexuality tropes. Even Mind Rape used to be there, even though the title is metaphorical.
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No-lifer
Well I think sexuality in thise case defines a person's sexual orientation (i.e. homosexual, bisexual, etc.).note And then there's She Is Not My Girlfriend, which doesn't have anything to do with sex or sexuality, so it's more "too common" or "gossip".
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 12th 2019 at 3:23:59 AM
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Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
Okay, so why is Balloon Belly NRLEP as a sex/sexuality trope?
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No-lifer
Back in the days when the page had the explanations for why the tropes are NRLEP, the reason for Balloon Belly was "unnecessary and fetishy." However, that alone does not mean it belongs in the sex tropes folder today. Plus, it is not listed on Sex Tropes, which only makes it more baffling.
Also, who's in charge of calling to either make tropes NRLEP or keeping RL examples? Because we need to close Ensemble Dark Horse now that it has been decided NRLEP.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 12th 2019 at 4:00:23 AM
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Short-Term Projects herald
Is Balloon Belly actually possible in the sense the trope describes, though?
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The trope description claims so.
No-lifer
It is indexed in TruthInTelevision.Ato C. Anyway, moving it to "Too Common" as it doesn't look like it would fit in any other folder.
The Draftsman of Doom
LaResistance.Real Life is a morality trope, if I'm not mistaken. Burn it, or no?
Feels good, don't it?
No-lifer
Judging by Laconic.La Resistance, it doesn't seem to be a Morality Trope. It's just about a group of rebels fighting against tyrannical rule. So unless there's problems with flame bait, complaining, and/or natter, the page doesn't need cleaning or cutting.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 12th 2019 at 7:17:54 AM
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The Draftsman of Doom
Fair enough.
Feels good, don't it?
The Arch-Douchebag
Was Thoughtcrime ever discussed here? Because it seems like something that should be NRLEP, if just for the purposes of avoiding tropers going on about their own agendas even if they have little to do with the actual trope. As of now, the Real Life section references holocaust denial, video game bashing, homosexuality, political correctness, street signs as well as a general disclaimer that every society seeks to control its members' thoughts to some extent.
Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Walls of Tyranny was recently launched, and the page specifically asked to not include any real life examples. May I add it to the NRLEP index?
Short-Term Projects herald
I say yes.
No-lifer
I'm gonna move Latin Lover, Matzo Fever, Teacher/Student Romance, and Trophy Wife from the Sex and Sexuality folder to Gossip and Stereotypes. She Is Not My Girlfriend ans Shiksa Goddess are also in that folder and most likely don't belong there, but I don't know whether they should go under Gossip or Too Common.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Oct 14th 2019 at 3:04:43 AM
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Teacher/Student Romance is one that I see as having potential to allow RL examples. It's easily possible/verifiable and not inherently Flame Bait, though it has the possibility to attract the usual creeps so we'd have to keep a watchful eye on it.
Edit: I moved Adaptational Consent and Adaptational Sexuality to the "Narrative, Characterization, and Plot Tropes" folder, as it is a change in characterization of a character from an older work (or in an adaptation.) This is obviously impossible in Real Life, so we may want to add the other Adaptational Whatever tropes once we're done with this sex thing.
Edited by RallyBot2 on Oct 14th 2019 at 7:00:17 AM
No-lifer
I guess it could, but it sounds too gossipy for RL examples.
We'd have to limit it to confirmed examples (e.g. they later married or both parties say it happened.)
No-lifer
Now let's step away from the sex tropes for a bit. What about Suffers Newbies Poorly? It has been NRLEP since its original examplesnote were deleted. However, since then, not a single example has been added to the page. And I'm pretty sure exampleless pages don't belong on No Real Life Examples, Please!.
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