Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

We have a sandbox to clean up those exact deleted pages before reinstatement, so yes we should update the sandbox with the contents of that page and then cut DanBrowned.Cracked proper.

(Note that that sandbox exists with Nombretomado's explicit permission.)

Edited by Albert3105 on Aug 14th 2019 at 6:37:00 AM

I've moved it.

Edited by costanton11 on Aug 14th 2019 at 9:42:18 AM

From YMMV.Rockos Modern Life Static Cling

Harsher in Hindsight: The attempted CGI reboot of The Fatheads is depicted as a soulless, ugly cash grab without any vision when compared to the traditionally animated original. This wound up being a major complaint of The Lion King (2019) remake, released a month before the special aired but two years after it was completed.

Feels like bashing on the Lion King.

Yeah, looks like a jab at TLK. Worth a pull.

I don't really know where else to bring this up. This page for the fanfic If Firestar Never Joined ThunderClan seems to have been made for the sole purpose of bashing it. It says in the very first sentence of the description that it's "poorly written", and saying such things as fact really shouldn't be in a description.

Also, it's riddled with YMMV on the main page, and has a section for "Bad Writing Tropes". Has that ever been a thing on TV Tropes?

Theoretically it could just be cleaned but I don't know if it's worth it. It hasn't been edited in over a year.

Found this on StockFootageFailure.Power Rangers

While an actual goof is mentioned in the first half (so you don't have to pick it out, it's Troy suddenly being Red Mask after a commercial break when four of the rangers, him included, were the Changemen from before the break due to poor editing), the second half of the paragraph throws the trope's definition out the window and waxes something more akin to They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character.

Should I simply cut everything starting from "Then in episode 19..." or should I also reword something a bit?

Edited by TrocyteV on Aug 19th 2019 at 5:10:55 AM

No rewording necessary. Just cut everything from "in episode 19" onwards.

Re: Firestar:

If you can't trim the bashing, cutting the page may be what we have to do.

If Firestar Never Joined ThunderClan... thank goodness for the YMMV indicators. There were a lot of Zero-Context Examples too. I think the page is a bit better now, but one issue I don't know how to fix myself is the presence of spoiler tags in the description.

Yeah, they can be untagged. I'll go do it.

The And That's Terrible example looks like it might be misuse, but I don't know enough to be sure.

Question about Karma Houdini. Does it require 1. they do something heinous enough to be considered villains 2. not count if they're redeemed (as they've owned up to karma and are no longer villains) unless they do so for what's portrayed as self-serving reasons?

Karma Houdini is being misused to complain about what they feel is undeserved redemption (subjective when KH is objective) if so.

1. No, but they must do something bad enough that some form of retribution or comeuppance would be expected.
2. A redemption arc generally implies that the story has addressed whatever they did and so Karma Houdini would not apply.

Karma Houdini is a frequently misused trope. It requires that the character in question suffer no meaningful repercussion for their actions. It's an objective trope, and audience members not liking how a character is treated doesn't count as an example.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 21st 2019 at 5:56:04 AM

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory

The Scrappy:

• Nina is a fairly generic, but somewhat likable love interest through most of the series, until the end when she interferes with Kou to prevent him and Gato from killing each other for reasons pulled out of the ether five minutes prior, and inadvertently helps make the Colony Drop they're trying to prevent a sure thing. Because of that, she is not very fondly thought of by fans. A 2018 Japanese poll has her barely make it in as the tenth worst character in the franchise, with eight of the most iconic and/or notably evil villains in-between her and Kira Yamato of all people at number one.

Is the poll link too much?

No, but the Kira sinkhole is.

Wow, those sinkholes are excessive. Pull them.

Took a big ol' Hyper Beam to a big string in FanNickname.Pokemon. Figured I'd just let it speak for itself:

• Genwunners: Those who are fanatical about Gen I Pokémon. (read as 'Gen One-ers') They often cite the increased linearity the games have been introducing in later gens saying the freedom of an adventure has been unnecessarily limited. Others believe designs and "objectmons" have gone downhill irreparably. Others simply accuse later generations of "having no soul". Some are simply encased in nostalgia, which often angers other fans, sometimes irrationally. Some blame the 5th Generation for introducing the trends of sidelining the protagonist's adventure in favor of other characters' struggles, which for many came to a head in Ultra Sun/Moon. Those Genwunners who are more critical of later generations, particularly in the edgier realms of 4Chan, have occasionally used the following terms for the various factions deemed too critical of the original games and anime (note that some of these epithets have been reclaimed in a sense as a term of ironic self-endearment):
  • "Johtoddlers" for 2nd Generation adherents. Their opinion on Heart Gold and Soul Silver as an improvement on GSC is split. Some assert HGSS is an unnecessary, overcomplicated remake on a slow engine that didn't do enough to fix Johto's original flaws. Others think that HGSS beats out Crystal simply due to how much content the two versions possess. Often, Johtoddlers will point to how Game Freak went all in on the franchise's assumed conclusion to stretch the game's limits. The Spaceworld Demo's release in early-mid 2018 did nothing to weaken such a position, and instead sparked a bunch of unrelated arguments.
  • "Hoennbabbies" or "Hoennbabies" for those who fervently believe 3rd Generation to be the franchise's peak. They generally discount the argument that Ruby and Sapphire seemingly killed off "Pokémania" and will often assert that the dividing line between overly nostalgic casual players and dedicated fans can be drawn at a person's opinion of the 3rd Generation. The myriad improvements and expansions over RBY that Fire Red and Leaf Green offer in addition to Emerald's Battle Frontier are some of Hoennbabies' most used talking points. Compared to Johtoddlers, Hoennbabies find Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to be much more controversial as remakes than HGSS. While this opinion is expressed rarely, it would not be surprising to find many Hoennbabies taking pride in the glut of ROM Hacks G3 has compared to other sets of games.
  • "Sinnohfetuses" refers especially to those born between 1997 and 2002 who identify most strongly with the 4th Generation. Their arguments for "4th is Best Gen" rely primarily on the sheer amount of content and effort the wider fandom sees in Platinum and HGSS. They also tend to ignore the issues with DP's engine and often parlay them into a wider contention about how Gen IV offers a constant crescendo of improvements the closer to BW's release one gets. Expect comparisons between Battle Revolution and the 3D of 6th Generation onwards.
  • "Unovabortions" may possibly be both the most hated group of later generation enthusiasts and the ones whose opinions are begrudgingly accepted as somewhat factual—at least in part. Black and White themselves are mostly used as a way to show that the franchise needed a fresh start free from the burdens of RBY. B 2 W 2 offers Pokéstar Studios, the PWT, and other post-game side content missing from BW as its main proof of superiority. Expect these games to be called "Masuda's Passion Project" sunk by rabid Genwunners. Expect other Gen enthusiasts to offer up agreement over the PWT's merits, but still compare it disfavorably to the Frontier. Expect Unovabortions to find N a complicated well-written character. Expect them to downplay the powercreep of this Gen that many say is rivaled only by Sun and Moon.
  • "Kalosperms" is a derisive diminutive for those adults who find the 6th Generation best. They often find Kalos at its core, to be the region with the best worldbuilding and the most-thought out representation of a bustling society. Lumiose City and other scenic landmarks are brought up. Little overworld details that match up with the town map's inaccessible areas are lauded. Nuzlocke players may resent the EXP Share, but the Kalosperms amongst them heavily value the region's sheer biodiversity and its high levels present in the Pokémon league. Competitive-oriented Kalosperms will also cite Fairy-typing breaking the hold Dragons had on the BW metagame as a healthy development, along with the immediate banishment of most of XY's new powerhouses. Megas giving old monsters new viability is also applauded somewhat.
  • "Alolasomes" are ridiculed for pretty much everything but their enjoyment of Totem challenges. Many on 4chan doubt unironic Alolasomes actually exist. Those that do, the skeptics argue, should be placed on federal watchlist—they're only in it to be pervy towards underaged female characters in the game. Cursing Japanese people for blowing half the national GDP on Lillie merchandise is a common thing from anti-Alolasomes. This troper is honestly not intimate with the arguments in Alola's favor—he would be grouped in as a hybrid-Sinnohfetus-Unovabortion who only progressed to Marowak's trial before his save was corrupted. It is widely held even amongst more old-guard fans that Totem challenges were not a bad thing, and that SOME of Generation 7's characters were kind of cool, Guzma, Lusamine, Kukui, and Nanu amongst them. Most other pro-Alola arguments this troper is familiar with are honestly not suitable for this website. Note that Alolasomes will ally with, most commonly, Genwunners, Hoennbabies, and Sinnohfetuses in trashing XY's anime seasons, particularly the conclusion. Many of them enjoy the SM anime seasons as a fun, slice of life romp that doesn't take itself too seriously and deviates from Pokémon's more traditional structure.

I have no objections to cutting 'em all. Fan Nicknames, by definition, come from fans of things. There's a reason Detractor Nickname is in the Permanent Red Link Club.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:05:12 AM

Interesting enough, that whole thing was added in one edit.

Huh, sounds like it's not so much actually complaining about anything as it is someone thinking this site should be covering Fandom Drama.

Which is still not kosher, of course.

TBH, the only one of those nicknames I've ever heard was Genwunners. I've never heard of any of those other ones, and they mostly exist to bash the main flaws of each generation. They can all safely be cut IMO.

I heard all of those nicknames being used on 4chan's /vp/, which means they do exist, but 4chan is not always considered "fans" and isn't fully reliable so I understand them all being removed (I did hear "Genwunner" outside of 4ch, though, that could be kept with neutral wording).

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:38:38 PM

Even then, 4chan, even if evidence of the trend existing, tends to Accentuate the Negative so much that if something comes from there, it'd have to be thoroughly bleached to fit within this site anyway. Though I think it's a moot point because the removed items don't fit Fan Nickname anyway.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:37:32 PM

I heard about Genwunner or a variation in the Transformer fandom. Usually it for people who think the First gen is the best.

Those nicknames are real, but I still think the example should be cut.