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Inspired by this thread, I've noticed that this wiki doesn't have a dedicated cleanup thread for negativity.

As we all know, Complaining About Shows You Don't Like, Creator Bashing and other negativity isn't desired on the wiki, except in a few selected areas like reviews and several Darth Wiki pages (and even then, with limitations). And yet, it's one of the most common sins wiki contributors can make.

So, if you find a page, YKTTW or discussion whose content seems like a straight-up insult or any other bitching - including complainy soapboxing -, you might ask here for help with removing said content.

Edited by Berrenta on Dec 19th 2018 at 6:31:01 AM

Albert3105 Magikarp deterrence
Magikarp deterrence
Aug 14th 2019 at 3:26:33 PM

[up] We have a sandbox to clean up those exact deleted pages before reinstatement, so yes we should update the sandbox with the contents of that page and then cut DanBrowned.Cracked proper.

(Note that that sandbox exists with Nombretomado's explicit permission.)

Edited by Albert3105 on Aug 14th 2019 at 6:37:00 AM

Aug 14th 2019 at 7:42:09 PM

I've moved it.

Edited by costanton11 on Aug 14th 2019 at 9:42:18 AM

Aug 17th 2019 at 8:15:55 PM

From YMMV.Rockos Modern Life Static Cling

Harsher in Hindsight: The attempted CGI reboot of The Fatheads is depicted as a soulless, ugly cash grab without any vision when compared to the traditionally animated original. This wound up being a major complaint of The Lion King (2019) remake, released a month before the special aired but two years after it was completed.

Feels like bashing on the Lion King.

Gacha Is A Lie.
Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Aug 17th 2019 at 8:19:12 PM

[up] Yeah, looks like a jab at TLK. Worth a pull.

WhiteCheddaPikachu A Kitsune Balancing Act from a place upstate where the cats bump into gates Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
A Kitsune Balancing Act
Aug 19th 2019 at 3:02:58 AM

I don't really know where else to bring this up. This page for the fanfic If Firestar Never Joined Thunder Clan seems to have been made for the sole purpose of bashing it. It says in the very first sentence of the description that it's "poorly written", and saying such things as fact really shouldn't be in a description.

Also, it's riddled with YMMV on the main page, and has a section for "Bad Writing Tropes". Has that ever been a thing on TV Tropes?

Theoretically it could just be cleaned but I don't know if it's worth it. It hasn't been edited in over a year.

Sturgeon's Law is too YMMV for page examples, so WHY is it not a YMMV trope!?
TrocyteV Relationship Status: Hiding
Aug 19th 2019 at 5:10:30 AM

Found this on StockFootageFailure.Power Rangers

    (wall of text warning) 

  • Super Megaforce managed to turn this into an art form. On top of not explaining why female yellows from the original Saban era have skirts now, since those characters were female, the producers never cared about replacing (at least most the time) stock footage of unadapted Sentai teams present in the Gokaiger stock footage. However, they seem to do it especially selectively, as it appears they wanted to remove pre-mid 80s teams due to the difference in suit materials shifting more to spandex after the first several years. In episode 13, this came as a double whammy, when before a commercial break, we see four of the suits from Changeman, then after the commercial break, Troy's inexplicably the red ranger from Maskman, since they excluded the footage of Marvelous changing to it from the original Gokaiger episode. Then in episode 19, the production team did the unthinkable and had the costume department make new suits of Change Griffon, Green Flash, Blue Mask, and Five Yellow (you can tell because they're made of the exact same material PR's been using for the American suits for years). This particularly egregious because those teams were from unadapted, pre-Zyuranger, Sentai teams and seasons, which was going to be an effect of the stock footage anyways, but also because they actually went out of their way to film new shots of these suits just because they didn't want Vul Eagle in the shots rather than MMPR red, or didn't wanna do the green screen effects required for it. This is a new form of lazy for the entire franchise, as doing this is specifically spending money to film new shots to be lazy and not film more than that, or replace the rest of the scene with different choices of teams, since they were filming new shots anyways. It's especially maddening to fans because there are several Rangers that were in PR and thus are meaningful to its audience that never had their suits featured despite awesome Gokaiger footage of them existing; it all hits the cutting room floor in favor of Flashman, Maskman, Changeman, etc. Apparently the showrunner was a sentai weeaboo.

While an actual goof is mentioned in the first half (so you don't have to pick it out, it's Troy suddenly being Red Mask after a commercial break when four of the rangers, him included, were the Changemen from before the break due to poor editing), the second half of the paragraph throws the trope's definition out the window and waxes something more akin to They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot and They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character.

Should I simply cut everything starting from "Then in episode 19..." or should I also reword something a bit?

Edited by TrocyteV on Aug 19th 2019 at 5:10:55 AM

And did you know that world-renowned author Stephen King was once hit by a car? Just something to consider.
bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Aug 19th 2019 at 6:03:37 AM

[up] No rewording necessary. Just cut everything from "in episode 19" onwards.

Misspelled trope names dealt with... for now. Moving back to the Understatement project soon?
Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Aug 19th 2019 at 2:51:23 PM

Re: Firestar:

If you can't trim the bashing, cutting the page may be what we have to do.

Aug 19th 2019 at 3:45:56 PM

If Firestar Never Joined Thunder Clan... thank goodness for the YMMV indicators. There were a lot of Zero-Context Examples too. I think the page is a bit better now, but one issue I don't know how to fix myself is the presence of spoiler tags in the description.

Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Aug 20th 2019 at 5:42:49 AM

[up] Yeah, they can be untagged. I'll go do it.

Aug 20th 2019 at 6:04:59 AM

The And That's Terrible example looks like it might be misuse, but I don't know enough to be sure.

Aug 21st 2019 at 2:50:51 PM

Question about Karma Houdini. Does it require 1. they do something heinous enough to be considered villains 2. not count if they're redeemed (as they've owned up to karma and are no longer villains) unless they do so for what's portrayed as self-serving reasons?

Karma Houdini is being misused to complain about what they feel is undeserved redemption (subjective when KH is objective) if so.

Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 21st 2019 at 2:54:56 PM

  1. No, but they must do something bad enough that some form of retribution or comeuppance would be expected.
  2. A redemption arc generally implies that the story has addressed whatever they did and so Karma Houdini would not apply.

Karma Houdini is a frequently misused trope. It requires that the character in question suffer no meaningful repercussion for their actions. It's an objective trope, and audience members not liking how a character is treated doesn't count as an example.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 21st 2019 at 5:56:04 AM

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Aug 21st 2019 at 10:14:35 PM

Mobile Suit Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory

The Scrappy:

  • Nina is a fairly generic, but somewhat likable love interest through most of the series, until the end when she interferes with Kou to prevent him and Gato from killing each other for reasons pulled out of the ether five minutes prior, and inadvertently helps make the Colony Drop they're trying to prevent a sure thing. Because of that, she is not very fondly thought of by fans. A 2018 Japanese poll has her barely make it in as the tenth worst character in the franchise, with eight of the most iconic and/or notably evil villains in-between her and Kira Yamato of all people at number one.

Is the poll link too much?

Gacha Is A Lie.
Crossover-Enthusiast The Absolute Mad Lads from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Absolute Mad Lads
Aug 21st 2019 at 10:25:09 PM

No, but the Kira sinkhole is.

SANS IS IN SMASH, EVERYONE GO HOME
Berrenta Nice Hat from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Aug 22nd 2019 at 7:41:45 AM

Wow, those sinkholes are excessive. Pull them.

Crossover-Enthusiast The Absolute Mad Lads from somewhere doing something Relationship Status: Chocolate!
The Absolute Mad Lads
Aug 23rd 2019 at 3:04:52 AM

Took a big ol' Hyper Beam to a big string in FanNickname.Pokemon. Figured I'd just let it speak for itself:

  • Genwunners: Those who are fanatical about Gen I Pokémon. (read as 'Gen One-ers') They often cite the increased linearity the games have been introducing in later gens saying the freedom of an adventure has been unnecessarily limited. Others believe designs and "objectmons" have gone downhill irreparably. Others simply accuse later generations of "having no soul". Some are simply encased in nostalgia, which often angers other fans, sometimes irrationally. Some blame the 5th Generation for introducing the trends of sidelining the protagonist's adventure in favor of other characters' struggles, which for many came to a head in Ultra Sun/Moon. Those Genwunners who are more critical of later generations, particularly in the edgier realms of 4Chan, have occasionally used the following terms for the various factions deemed too critical of the original games and anime (note that some of these epithets have been reclaimed in a sense as a term of ironic self-endearment):
    • "Johtoddlers" for 2nd Generation adherents. Their opinion on Heart Gold and Soul Silver as an improvement on GSC is split. Some assert HGSS is an unnecessary, overcomplicated remake on a slow engine that didn't do enough to fix Johto's original flaws. Others think that HGSS beats out Crystal simply due to how much content the two versions possess. Often, Johtoddlers will point to how Game Freak went all in on the franchise's assumed conclusion to stretch the game's limits. The Spaceworld Demo's release in early-mid 2018 did nothing to weaken such a position, and instead sparked a bunch of unrelated arguments.
    • "Hoennbabbies" or "Hoennbabies" for those who fervently believe 3rd Generation to be the franchise's peak. They generally discount the argument that Ruby and Sapphire seemingly killed off "Pokémania" and will often assert that the dividing line between overly nostalgic casual players and dedicated fans can be drawn at a person's opinion of the 3rd Generation. The myriad improvements and expansions over RBY that Fire Red and Leaf Green offer in addition to Emerald's Battle Frontier are some of Hoennbabies' most used talking points. Compared to Johtoddlers, Hoennbabies find Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to be much more controversial as remakes than HGSS. While this opinion is expressed rarely, it would not be surprising to find many Hoennbabies taking pride in the glut of ROM Hacks G3 has compared to other sets of games.
    • "Sinnohfetuses" refers especially to those born between 1997 and 2002 who identify most strongly with the 4th Generation. Their arguments for "4th is Best Gen" rely primarily on the sheer amount of content and effort the wider fandom sees in Platinum and HGSS. They also tend to ignore the issues with DP's engine and often parlay them into a wider contention about how Gen IV offers a constant crescendo of improvements the closer to BW's release one gets. Expect comparisons between Battle Revolution and the 3D of 6th Generation onwards.
    • "Unovabortions" may possibly be both the most hated group of later generation enthusiasts and the ones whose opinions are begrudgingly accepted as somewhat factual—at least in part. Black and White themselves are mostly used as a way to show that the franchise needed a fresh start free from the burdens of RBY. B 2 W 2 offers Pokéstar Studios, the PWT, and other post-game side content missing from BW as its main proof of superiority. Expect these games to be called "Masuda's Passion Project" sunk by rabid Genwunners. Expect other Gen enthusiasts to offer up agreement over the PWT's merits, but still compare it disfavorably to the Frontier. Expect Unovabortions to find N a complicated well-written character. Expect them to downplay the powercreep of this Gen that many say is rivaled only by Sun and Moon.
    • "Kalosperms" is a derisive diminutive for those adults who find the 6th Generation best. They often find Kalos at its core, to be the region with the best worldbuilding and the most-thought out representation of a bustling society. Lumiose City and other scenic landmarks are brought up. Little overworld details that match up with the town map's inaccessible areas are lauded. Nuzlocke players may resent the EXP Share, but the Kalosperms amongst them heavily value the region's sheer biodiversity and its high levels present in the Pokémon league. Competitive-oriented Kalosperms will also cite Fairy-typing breaking the hold Dragons had on the BW metagame as a healthy development, along with the immediate banishment of most of XY's new powerhouses. Megas giving old monsters new viability is also applauded somewhat.
    • "Alolasomes" are ridiculed for pretty much everything but their enjoyment of Totem challenges. Many on 4chan doubt unironic Alolasomes actually exist. Those that do, the skeptics argue, should be placed on federal watchlist—they're only in it to be pervy towards underaged female characters in the game. Cursing Japanese people for blowing half the national GDP on Lillie merchandise is a common thing from anti-Alolasomes. This troper is honestly not intimate with the arguments in Alola's favor—he would be grouped in as a hybrid-Sinnohfetus-Unovabortion who only progressed to Marowak's trial before his save was corrupted. It is widely held even amongst more old-guard fans that Totem challenges were not a bad thing, and that SOME of Generation 7's characters were kind of cool, Guzma, Lusamine, Kukui, and Nanu amongst them. Most other pro-Alola arguments this troper is familiar with are honestly not suitable for this website. Note that Alolasomes will ally with, most commonly, Genwunners, Hoennbabies, and Sinnohfetuses in trashing XY's anime seasons, particularly the conclusion. Many of them enjoy the SM anime seasons as a fun, slice of life romp that doesn't take itself too seriously and deviates from Pokémon's more traditional structure.

SANS IS IN SMASH, EVERYONE GO HOME
GastonRabbit King of Blue Lions from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
King of Blue Lions
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:03:39 AM

[up]I have no objections to cutting 'em all. Fan Nicknames, by definition, come from fans of things. There's a reason Detractor Nickname is in the Permanent Red Link Club.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:05:12 AM

"I am Ferdinand von Aegir." —Ferdinand von Aegir
ShinyCottonCandy Actually sour cream from The Galar Region Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Actually sour cream
Aug 23rd 2019 at 4:04:33 AM

Interesting enough, that whole thing was added in one edit.

I need to think of a better signature.
nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:03:30 AM

Huh, sounds like it's not so much actually complaining about anything as it is someone thinking this site should be covering Fandom Drama.

Which is still not kosher, of course.

chasemaddigan This is Unicorn!
This is Unicorn!
Aug 23rd 2019 at 7:08:34 AM

TBH, the only one of those nicknames I've ever heard was Genwunners. I've never heard of any of those other ones, and they mostly exist to bash the main flaws of each generation. They can all safely be cut IMO.

Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
✓Veteran Editor
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:23:07 AM

I heard all of those nicknames being used on 4chan's /vp/, which means they do exist, but 4chan is not always considered "fans" and isn't fully reliable so I understand them all being removed (I did hear "Genwunner" outside of 4ch, though, that could be kept with neutral wording).

Edited by Piterpicher on Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:38:38 PM

♂ | WIP: I'm working on Sandbox.Android and Sandbox.iOS to make pages about the operating systems.
ShinyCottonCandy Actually sour cream from The Galar Region Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Actually sour cream
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:34:53 AM

Even then, 4chan, even if evidence of the trend existing, tends to Accentuate the Negative so much that if something comes from there, it'd have to be thoroughly bleached to fit within this site anyway. Though I think it's a moot point because the removed items don't fit Fan Nickname anyway.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 23rd 2019 at 12:37:32 PM

I need to think of a better signature.
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:37:27 AM

I heard about Genwunner or a variation in the Transformer fandom. Usually it for people who think the First gen is the best.

Gacha Is A Lie.
WarJay77 Quite Impossible to Describe... from Upstate New York Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Quite Impossible to Describe...
Aug 23rd 2019 at 9:50:32 AM

Those nicknames are real, but I still think the example should be cut.

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