Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Whoever added that pothole probably thinks Looney Tunes is one of the lewdest cartoons ever made, considering how many animals in it don't wear anything at all.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 8th 2020 at 11:31:03 AM

Found this on The Baby-Sitters Club:

• And yet, the producers of the 2020 Netflix reboot somehow didn't think this was enough social brownie points. That series has Dawn as a Hispanic-American and her birth father is now gay. Mary Anne is also mixed race.

The first sentence sounds complainy, but I could be wrong.

The first sentence is defintely complainy, remove it.

Yeah, bears not wearing pants is not squick at all, cut that pothole entirely.

Cleaned up Wally Bear and the NO! Gang; I'll ask about the image caption in Image Pickin'.

Edited by jandn2014 on Jul 8th 2020 at 1:22:05 PM

The latter part of this example on Hollywood Pudgy about BoJack Horseman makes me uncomfortable.

• BoJack himself; he's actually in okay shape considering he's a middle-aged alcoholic, but since he actually does live in Hollywood, surrounded by borderline anorexics who all look like they're near death most of the time, it does make him look fatter.

It'd be one thing if this was how the show depicted Hollywoo, but the population seen in the show is pretty varied in body size (a◊ few◊ examples◊), which suggests this entry is describing real Hollywood residents as "borderline anorexics who look like they're near death" (especially since it refers to Hollywood and not Hollywoo as it's called in the show) which feels...very unnecessary and in poor taste. Can I cut that part out of this example?

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 9th 2020 at 12:49:09 PM

Definitely.

Before I add this to Fandom-Enraging Misconception, does anyone have any suggestions for revisions?

• The Mandalorian fans could get peeved by people who act as if Pedro Pascal's involvement consists only of dubbing over fully-armored stuntmen^note a statement that the show's creatives, including Pascal, only applied to the episode "Sanctuary", the production schedule of which conflicted with his rehearsals for the 2019 Broadway run of King Lear, despite how often he recalls to news outlets his own difficulties of moving around and conveying emotions in the armor, or the existence of pictures of him wearing the Beskar suit sans helmet.^note Judging by Pascal's lack of a mustache, it doesn't look like that session took place on the same day that Lucasfilm filmed Mando's unmasking in the first season finale. Especially irritating cases question Disney's decision to give top billing to an actor who doesn't perform the action scenes himself, as these cases seem to underestimate the importance of Pascal's expressive body language in parts with no action, and/or the difficulties of voice acting.

Edited by dsneybuf on Jul 10th 2020 at 9:09:26 AM

I don't know the work or the fandom, but "could get" is a warning sign. It's only an example if fans actually do get enraged about it.

Re-reading how fans reacted to this on other message boards, it seems more like a Fandom-Irritating Misconception than a Fandom-Enraging Misconception.

I was browsing Deconstruction Fic and came across " Harry Potter and the Nightmares of Futures Past frequently points out how absurdly naive the characters, plot and general feel of the series are, as a side effect of its Peggy Sue plot."

That seems pretty bashy to me and it doesn't even explain what it deconstructs.

Agreed, it neds a better description at least.

Definitely worth a yank if left as is.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 12th 2020 at 10:15:21 AM

visited the trope page and found its deconstruction fic entry, which goes "Of the Peggy Sue genre. While Harry manages to use his future knowledge to make things better, his actions end up causing unintended changes, both for good and bad."

Well, that can definitely replace what's in Deconstruction Fic.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 12th 2020 at 11:36:23 AM

One of those cases where the footnote explains things better than the actual text.

Under the Films - Animation section of Overshadowed by Controversy:

• Media coverage of the 2019 Spanish animated feature Elcano & Magallanes: First Trip Around the World was skewed more towards the outrage it generated when Filipinos took umbrage over its depiction of Lapu Lapu and the Battle of Mactan. Misplaced Nationalism ensues when Filipinos, whose elementary school textbook knowledge of their country's history is a little distorted to say the least, took to social media and bashed the living daylights out of the film. The catch is that most of the outrage came from those who haven't even watched the whole film yet and were motivated more by blind patriotism than sincere and level-headed perception of history. Said Filipinos are under the impression that Lapu-Lapu fought for the Philippines as a whole as the first to resist colonial rule, something Rodrigo Duterte played up and over-hyped in a statement; historians disagree with this, as the Philippines as we know it is a modern concept, and the archipelago was at the time made up of mostly unconnected tribal polities who fought wars against each other for whatever reason. Another thing was that Magellan and his posse weren't necessarily plotting to conquer any land, and were more into trading spices than anything else. Magellan did have chieftain Rajah Humabon and his consort Humamay converted to Catholicism, but other than that, it was mostly a trade expedition. It wasn't until 1565 when King Philip II spearheaded the conquest of the Philippines through a Spanish expedition of five hundred men led by Miguel López de Legazpi. To top it all off, a Rappler columnist bluntly pointed out the hypocrisy in an editorial where he noted how the producers of the 2013 religious historical drama Pedro Calungsod: Batang Martir had no qualms about portraying the Chamorro people as barbaric savages who slayed Calungsod for his missionary work—the film was universally praised in the Philippines, and was unsurprisingly panned by the Chamorros in Guam.

Now, I only know about the film due to the Saberspark review, but is really necessary to do all this "Well, ackshually the Filipinos have no moral ground" stuff with the entry? As far as I know from the review, the film was originally marketed (and prompted immense backlash) by showing the Portuguese as the heroes and Lapu-Lapu as the Big Bad, but as it turns out this poster was rather inaccurate, as the Big Bad role is for some original Portuguese character and Lapu-Lapu only briefly cameos and isn't even named.

Edited by geekgecko on Jul 12th 2020 at 12:27:30 PM

That actually came up in the OBC cleanup but kind of got buried. The tangent makes it clear the troper is taking a side, and I'm not familiar enough with the material to say whether it's right or not, but either way it's not relevant to the entry to go on a long history rant. At least the part about the Rappler column might be relevant since it's about the actual movie.

I found these in Breath of Fire and the video game section for Germans Love David Hasselhoff:

• The series is often joked about by fans as being Capcom's most-hated IP, as it's one of the few ones (and certainly the most prominent) not to appear in the Capcom vs. line. Instead, it was relegated to crappy mobile game status because, "If your name isn't Final Fantasy it doesn't sell." That's a real quote. Admittedly, Ryu and a few other characters do appear in the "Hero and Heralds" card battle mode in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3; the producers said they were considering Nina from Breath of Fire 1 or Fou-Lu from IV, but ultimately declined to include them.

I feel like this could either be toned down about Capcom "hating" the series or removed all together, since it seems to be there as an excuse to hating Capcom for not doing anything with the series.

• Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers is considered rather minor by the Japanese compared to Morrigan, Demitri, Felicia, Lilith, and Anakaris, but has a very large following in America. Needless to say, they are very eager to see Talbain get featured in crossovers, but the Japanese don't get it.
  • However, Ryoma Niitsuma, the developer of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, notes that than if he had more development time, Jon would have been his pick for the series' fourth rep. ^note For reference, the three Darkstalkers characters in MvC3 are Morrigan (the Deuteragonist-turned-Breakout Character) accompanied by Ensemble Darkhorses Felicia and Hsien-Ko. While fans thought this meant a bone would be thrown their way, their hope was cruelly yanked the moment Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 additions were revealed... and Talbain was nowhere in sight. To rub salt in the wounds (though it was perhaps the only compromise), Amaterasu's alternate DLC costume in the same game has her looking like Talbain.◊

While it would have been nice to see Jon in MvC3, I feel like the way it's being said makes it feel like him being only a costume for Ammy is a Fate Worse than Death, way too exaggerated. Plus, I don't recall anyone actually hating the costume itself. I feel like this can be toned down as well and put a nice positive spin on it. For example:

• Even Ryoma Niitsuma, the developer of Marvel vs. Capcom 3, notes that had had there been more development time, Jon would have been his pick for the series' fourth rep. While that, unfortunately, never happened, whether it be more time constraints or having the actual newcomers taking priority, fans were given some compensation with Amaterasu getting an alternate DLC costume that has her looking like Talbain◊ in ''Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

Should I make the changes?

That's some complaining alright. Cut everything in the first example except the first sentence, and the 2nd bullet point of the 2nd example.

Found this on Trivia.The Mysterious Mr Enter:

• Fan Community Nicknames: Detractors often call his fans "enterbots", from the idea that their tendency to agree with Mr. Enter's viewpoints without question is akin to a bot programmed to dispense praise towards Mr. Enter.

Delete.

I've been both a fan and a detractor of Enter, and I've never heard anybody called an enterbot.

Cool Cat Saves the Kids unsurprisingly has a lot of complaining.

I think it came up earlier, there's a lot of detail on the creator's controversial behavior that aren't really necessary.

Though probably my least favorite bit is an unrelated pothole to Memetic Molester on a quote of Cool Cat saying a child is pretty.

EDIT: Just tried to cut down some of the more complainy bits on the main page. Feels weird to play defense for Cool Cat.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 13th 2020 at 8:54:58 AM