Alright, so in TRS Badass Gay came up for discussion and it was agreed that there appears to big problem with the Badass X tropes in general, which needs to be sorted out until something can be ruled on for Badass Gay.
Here's a courtesy link: TRS page
. And Badass page with its subtropes. You can also visit the sandbox page here.
Noted Problems include:
- Tropes are just listings of characters people thing are badass who happen to have a certain trait. (The Badass + Trait Problem)
- Badass X as a naming scheme is actually very vague and doesn't give a lot of insight into what the character trope actually is, assuming it is a trope.
- Badass X as a naming scheme proliferates the use of Badass + Trait 'tropes'.
Suggested things to do include:
- Make it a requirement that a badass character trope means a character is "badass because of a trait", or "badass in spite of a trait".
- Renaming away from the Badass X naming scheme as much as possible.
- Cut, redefine or re-purpose things that are just Badass + trait.
There are also a lot of tropes that seem to be valid character-types, but have the naming scheme 'Badass X', when there's more to the trope than that. There are also a lot of prop or event or whatever tropes that need to be gone through as well.
Edited by Berrenta on May 15th 2020 at 7:39:14 AM
Update Bumb! Badass Grandpa found in: 4268 wicks
The wick count is not updating. I removed Badass Grandpa wicks from Desk Jockey, The Mafia, and Strong as They Need to Be but they remain on the list and the number doesn't change.
Bug, see the Wiki Talk thread.
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Thanks. It has been fixed.
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Shouldn't List of Badass Tropes be moved to just Badass Tropes? As far as I know, no other index starts with "List of".
Keet cleanup
I think the distinction is so that no one thinks this is a legitimate index.
BTW, Badass Grandpa's wick count is now 4253.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Why shouldn't it be a legitimate index? And lakingsif requested we discuss this here on Ask the Tropers to keep this thread cleanup-focused.
Edited by rjd1922 on Jul 11th 2018 at 3:29:30 AM
Keet cleanup
Because we are still in the process of removing badass tropes, and we don't want wick clean-up to take longer than it has to.
- Badass Grandpa: Evice is easily among the hardest final bosses in any of the games. His Pokémon are at the highest levels you've seen at this point and they all boast great stats, fantastic movesets, and have ways to boost their already high attacking power even higher, and he has a deviously evil strategy where he uses his Slowking's Skill Swap to free his Slaking from his restrictive Truant ability so he becomes much more dangerous. Add in the fact that he can do a ton of flips and levitate as well, and it's clear that Evice is one hell of a powerful old geezer.
I don't think Evice's age is ever mentioned, and he looks younger than Greevil.
The Unknown Unknown
Cut.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
So, a question. Are we only concerned with tropes that are specifically titled "Badass X" or are we trying to avoid tropes that are "X, but badass."
I ask because Amphibian Assault comes across as being "an amphibian, but badass" in spirit, even if it has a kickass name.
we're also concerned with those tropes.
Update bumb! The current wick count for Badass Grandpa is 4189.
Came across this one, and not sure which subtrope it belongs to: The Silver Horde in Interesting Times. They're a group of Barbarian Heros who are in their nineties, but still every bit as martially skilled and invincible as they were in their youth. Hamish is a variant on this where he implausibly is very effective in battle despite being nearly deaf, wheelchair bound, and sort of incontinent. Collectively they get the most "screen time" in combat of any group of characters in the book, and repeatedly triumph with impossible odds. They don't mentor anyone, so they don't fit any of the mentor tropes. Old Soldier seems the closest, but they're all individualistic barbarians of the same age, so they don't really have the team dynamics or military flavor that that trope implies.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax"
I would use Old Soldier but then throw in Tropes Are Flexible so that it becomes Old Warrior, and then copy/paste the reason why from your post to the page.
Edited by ChaoticNovelist on Sep 18th 2018 at 12:47:53 PM
Updated Bumb! Badass Grandpa is back up to 4194 wicks. We're moving slowly on this one, aren't we?
The Unknown Unknown
Very. X_x
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Updated Bumb! Badass Grandpa is now at 4093. Yay for progress.
Update Bumb! 4049
SPECIAL update bumb! 3996, otherwise, beneath 4000, which is a milestone.
The Unknown Unknown
Baby steps, I suppose.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Necro bumb! We're making better progress. 3573.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Wicks to Badass Grandpa down to 3513.
Question about Badass Pacifist, since I can't recall if this thread has reviewed it, would a Guile Hero be sufficient to qualify? Does being attacked make a difference? Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Wicks to Badass Grandpa down to 3364.
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The important thing for Badass Pacifist, in my understanding, is that they don't use violence. Using guile would certainly help, if it was used to find a peaceful solution to a violent problem. Being attacked does not make a difference. A Badass Pacifist doesn't respond to violence with violence; self-defense is not an excuse. That would be more Martial Pacifist.
Badass Grandpa found in 4298 wicks.