Cleanup after Antvas sockpuppetry: Medaka Box

This is going to be an odd one.

Antvas has been banned from the site and keeps returning under false names. When he does, he almost invariably goes for the Medaka Box article and the characters page. He then adds the worst kind of pseudo-intellectual Fan Wank.

Lately, it's been an attempt to get everyone to believe that the new villain is a massive allegory for the "Internet hive mind".

He was also attempting to sell the idea that the resident Physical God is really just Nabiki Tendo from Ranma 1/2 under a different guise.

Before that it was an attempt to push the idea that the previous villain was a metaphor for Shonen Jump readers.

Back in July he was attempting to get the entire page re-written as a giant metaphor for World War 2 Fascist Italy. Yes, he used that Real Life location trope as a characterization trope.

Most recent sockpuppets have been "Professor Odd" and "Cuttbert." Their edits have been mostly cleaned up. Unfortunately, his 8 or 9 previous puppets did quite a bit of damage to the page. For example, a cleanup of the Kumagawa (previous big bad) entry got jibberish like the following:

• Meta Fiction: A massive, initially seemingly disturbingly sadistic, Take That! against the audience, but later turned out to not be nearly as malicious as it initially appeared.

Yes, that's Meta Fiction being used as a characterization trope — and it's not the first time it's been removed. See the problem?

An interesting aside — his most recent sockpuppetry involved posting one bullet point with SEVEN different tropes, all but 3 were just complete jibberish:

• Anthropomorphic Personification / Humanoid Abomination / Physical God / God-Mode Sue / Villain Sue / Uber Mensch / Nietzsche Wannabe: Ajimu Najimi is a deconstruction of the tropes, and she herself admits that she is omnipresent and can turn into an idea or dream at will. She seems to be the actual idea of the psychopath more as a seductive conceptual idea ("Yay! I'm Above Good and Evil with Blue-and-Orange Morality, What Is Evil?, and Omniscient Morality License!" perspective, and so onwards), and sentient force of nihilism, than a human being. "God, just how long are [Medaka and Kumagawa] going to squabble over such pointless things? They're all the same in my eyes. Nothing but a bunch of trash. [...]Happiness and sorrow... They are really all the same after all... Why hasn't everyone realized this already?" Later, when she meets Zenkichi face-to-face in the real world her POV horrifies him: all people, even abnormals and minuses, are about as worthy of regard as the furniture behind them and just as disposable. She has "1,2858,0519,6763,3865" abnormal and minus powers! As extra Mindscrews she also seems to be an allegory for the Internet itself as a massive hivemind, including the hundreds of millions of component people; combined with the absolutely darkest aspects of the "anima" (including being a "dream woman" for both Zenkichi and Kumagawa at some point), and the zeitgeist itself.

This entire thing was spoiled. Every letter was behind spoiler tags. When it was removed from the characters page, he moved it to YMMV and added to it. The interesting thing is that when I tore this apart in discussion, he actually came in and discussed it — and admitted that at least partially he's adding tropes based on his Ranma One Half and Ah My Goddess fanfiction (which he considers to be "the prototype" for Medaka Box's characters).

... Yeah. Need some help here as I'm a few dozen chapters behind in the manga and I can't tell what needs to be cleaned out and what doesn't.

Action Items:

• All Medaka Box pages need a grammar cleanup. Antvas doesn't have a great grasp on the English language, especially when using plurals, pronouns, etc. He also uses a lot of "weasel words" to make it less likely that his edits will get pulled. "It appears that," "you could say," "this character appears to be.."
• The character page, especially Ajimu Najimi, needs despoiled and cleaned up. Prior to the latest cleanup, almost the entirety of Najimi's character listing was spoiled — trope names and all. Najimi is the Big Bad right now (although the latest few chapters changed things significantly) so there probably is some things that need to be spoiled — but she's been the Big Bad for something like 30 chapters now (about 6 months). Not a spoiler at this point, I don't think.
  • I have not kept up on the manga since the Minus 13 arc, so I do not know which entries are actual spoilers, which entries are 100% Fan Wank based on his fanfiction, and which entries are his fan theories about minor characterizations taken as fact.
• Both the character and the main page may need examining. The series had a huge Genre Shift basically turning it into two (some would argue, three) works with the same name, and the trope page is split across that line. But it's broken down over the past few months (as Antvas doesn't care where his fanwank goes, just as long as it gets on the page) — I still personally believe that the split belongs, although as the chapters go by the significance of a Genre Shift years back is definitely lessening.

edited 14th Oct '11 7:10:01 PM by KiTA

Don't the mods have access to a revert button now? This is exactly the situation where that is needed.

Problem is he's been at this for months, under dozens of accounts, so reverting that far back would probably kill a ton of legit edits from legit tropers.

Did I mention this has been going on off and on since February? Sorry, I didn't think.

He comes back about every say, 1-3 to 6-8 weeks, and afterwards he's usually banned without people cleaning his stuff up. For example, that Meta Fiction entry? Originally added under the Zeref name in July. It's been removed, readded, changed, etc something like 5 times since then.

He'll come in and add like 16 different tropes, all vaguely pseudo-intellectual garbage, and only, say, 14 of them will be removed — cause some look like they just might almost fit.

And he doesn't do it in one go, he does it over the course of 2-3 days before he's caught out in Ask the Troper and banned. And that's not counting the times when he just comes in and doesn't add new tropes, he just adds a sentence or two talking about how everything in Medaka Box is really proving Carl Jung right, or some other random fan theory of the moment that exists only in his head (cause he's not actually talking about Medaka Box, he's talking about his fanfic of Ranma 1/2).

If it was easy as a revert, well, I wouldn't have thought to ask (cool, we have a revert button now!) — it's not. There's a lot of Antvas droppings to clean up and the page just generally needs a good flushing out from people more up to date with the manga that I am.

Basically, if we're going to revert, it'd be quicker, and easier, to just re-write the entire page from scratch. Which is a tempting option, to be honest — there are a lot of tropes on the page that are veeeeeeerrrrrrry long stretches to say the least.

I'll get right on it.

EDIT: This is slow going. Trimming all the characterization tropes out, and making sure the pre-versus-post Genre Shift tropes are in the right spot. I'll be a while with a local copy, then I'll paste it all in after reviewing any other changes made in the meantime and incorporating them into mine.

edited 14th Oct '11 9:27:04 PM by Haesslich

Should the page be locked after the clean-up is done?

Wouldn't hurt. My main concern right now is to go through all 117 chapters I have, including the raws, to try and match data up with tropes. Needless to say, it's taking a while to reread everything and then crossreference.

I'm just making a sincere effort to help out in improving the page by adding my own impressions, and my contributions to the page have in themselves been no less valid than anything else, and tend to be observant.

I your accusations you also leave out that I have consistently tried to mediate and reach compromises, so I don't see why my efforts are not appreciated.

I literally can't just shut off a fixation. It is entirely compulsive to me, and any perceived "agenda" is not really there, it is just an unfamiliar manner of processing information, but I am consistently making an effort to improve, be constructive, contribute, helpful, and absolutely honest in my contributions.

Additionally, as far as I remember, I haven't ever thought of this manga as fascist Italy, so I don't get where that interpretation came from?

Also, I don't know why people keep calling me "Antvas", when the full handle is Antvasima (it anagrams to "vast anima", so it is easy to remember), or why exactly anybody would get fixated on my harmless, sincere, and well-intended contributions, when for example Ghilz has literally organised actual death threats against me, and another set up a harrassment hate-blogs, and this is somehow accepted? It all seems extremely upside-down and disproportionate to me, and I cannot make any sense of it whatsoever, just continuously try to do better.

I'm not being an ass, I'm consistently trying to be nice, reasonable, and forgiving, yet a few people still manage to drum up the witch-hunting sounds on very misrepresented rationales. I'm not sure if they completely misunderstand me, if they do it intentionally, or if it depends from case to case? Although I suppose that it is probably the last one.

edited 15th Oct '11 1:00:00 AM by ProfessorOdd

First of all what do you mean by "adding my own impressions" and if your efforts were really sincere, then what's up with the sockpuppetry?

edited 15th Oct '11 2:00:07 AM by captainpat

If you wish to add an opinion of the work, you may do so with the review system. If you want to do an in depth analysis of everything that the work means, I recommend getting a blog of some sort. They're free.

I'm sure everyone else will take care of the mockery of the rest, so I'm gonna focus on this part :V

We do have an Analysis page type if you really want to use it. I don't fundamentally disagree that there might be stuff worth analyzing in this work, but that kind of thing isn't really in the domain of characterization tropes.

Couple of thoughts:

Since Antvas(ima) is basically bounced whenever they show up here- and that's been the policy for a long time- it's kind of immaterial- but if/when they ban evade, they should use the analysis section of pages. Or better yet, just get a blog.

When I called Antvasima Antvas, it's not meant to be insulting- it's just since you've gone through I don't, like 20+ names, it's kind of hard to know what to call you, and Antvas has the benefit of being short and easy to remember.

Last thing, Antvasima. Since you continually ban evade and have edited pages under more than one handle at the same time, I'm not inclined to call you honest or well-intentioned. I didn't realize you were doing that before, which is why I used to be more inclined to ask the mods to give you another chance.

He's also pretty much trashed the Ranma pages over the last two years as well, to the point where just nuking the pages and rebuilding from scratch is probably a more viable course of action than trying to fix. Or at least it would be if we could keep his socks out long enough to get rid of his soap-boxing on morality. Honestly, he's treated it as if it were a serious social drama instead of a goofy, slapstick, comedy.

Antvas was one of his early sock puppet names, so Antvas getting upset with you using that is really disingenuous in the extreme there. If he didn't like people using it, he shouldn't have used it himself.

edited 15th Oct '11 7:37:04 AM by CrypticMirror

I just realized something — I have two close friends that are high level autistic (one refuses to get diagnosed cause he wants to go into law and getting diagnosed would end his career, the other is diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome), and compared to how they act... This should have hit me right off, especially based on the writing style.

Changes a lot, especially this reply.

Professor Odd, some of these things that you add simply don't belong on the main pages. When you have to say "This character appears to be an allegory for this..." that's not really a trope. It's certainly welcome here — we have a section of the pages for that — but not on the MAIN page.

What you're looking for is the WMG section of the pages. This is where we discuss theories like "this character is a metaphor for Manga fans" and the like: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/MedakaBox

Yes, some of the theories can be silly (for a while there almost every time I went into a WMG page there was a "Character X is really a Time Lord" entry, for example), but then again you can see WMG pages like the one for Puella Magi Madoka Magica, where we guessed almost every single plot twist literally weeks before it happened. And we're not talking small plot twists, here, that series literally requires a flowchart to figure out.

(And, as mentioned above as I was writing this, there's an Analysis page that I haven't really paid attention to as I very rarely deviate from the main pages.)

Now, to answer your questions:

• I used Antvas cause that's what someone else used, and I believe it's the one you used to add your fanfic to the site in February.
• The Fascist Italy one comes from an edit way back in... July? I had to clean up which I am attributing to you in my mind, I may be wrong, of course.
• I don't know about death threats (haven't seen that, but if so, that's obviously unacceptable) nor a blog. The edits you make aren't always harmless, and while they certainly do appear sincere...

... Listen, here's the general rule I follow when adding to a trope page that I consider one of "my babies" — the ones I'm OCD about and know this. If you have to say 'appears to be' 'could be considered', or other such words that make it sound like you're trying to convince people to believe you, it probably doesn't fit directly in the trope page. You have to think long and hard about if the trope actually fits, or if you just want it to fit.

Some of the tropes you use just don't work. Meta Fiction, for example. That isn't a characterization trope — you can't use it to describe a character. "How is she. Meta Fiction." Er, huh? There were others, but outside of Italy (which you are disavowing) I can't recall them offhand.

You like to use a lot of "meta" tropes — psychological stuff, like the Anima, or the Zetergeist, or whatnot. There's probably a better term for them than that. I think you could make a case (in WMG) about these. But far more people are going to look at Medaka Box and see a outright mockery of the other mangas in Shonen Jump. I don't believe it's meant to be taken very seriously at all. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd guess the entire series after the Genre Shift is a result of the authors going on Writer Revolt due to the Shonen Jump editors forcing them into doing "yet another fighting manga."

The wiki has a basic page about this over at Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment. As above, you should also read Examples Are Not Arguable, as well as Word Cruft and Fan Wank.

One last editing style comment — jumping into a paragraph and adding an extra sentence is... iffy. Especially when the paragraph is about one thing, and the extra sentence is elaborating on a single word or phrase in that paragraph. I saw that a lot in some of the bigger paragraphs that had to be cleaned up over the past few months — I'd call it a "Description Tumor" if that made any sense. (In fact, I might crib that for YKTTW...) Splitting that up a bit... well, remember the pages aren't a forum.

(As an aside, we do have a great forum thread about discussing Medaka Box, as does MangaFox and MyAnimeList. )

Anyway. As for you trying to get better, and how there's such a disproportionate reaction to you when you appear — you were banned from the site. You're not really supposed to reappear here. I can't imagine being banned from editing, myself, that would drive me nuts, but, that's the long and the short of it. I can't speak for the mods, and ban evading always makes it hard to get back onto a site.

But if it was me, and I was banned for going a bit overzealous with my edits, what I would do is post an apology via IP Address someplace like on the Ask the Tropers page and then just... vanish for a while. Not a small while — 6 months or so, minimum — and come back with another apology and a request to be allowed to return. And THEN actually try to do better, provided they say it's ok to come back. If they don't, wait another 6 months.

And, finally, my contact information (particularly my AOL IM service contact information) is in my troper page, so if you want to talk more and/or ask me questions directly about any of this... don't make a sockpuppet and try to go through here for it, just go that route.

edited 15th Oct '11 7:54:03 AM by KiTA

@Cryptic Mirror> Oh, bugger, I didn't even think of the Ranma pages.

What about Ah My Goddess? His fic is a Ranma / AMG crossover fic, so...?

I don't know. It's not my fandom I'm afraid, and I've not seen it on his edit histories (but that is probably due to me not looking). I do know he has spread his crap across a couple of western comics. I've seen Incredble Hulk and X-Men pop up on his edit history a lot, again NMF so I can't judge the validity of the edits, but they seem to be the same sort of edits from Medeka and Ranma. Same with Panty and Stocking, and another anime/manga whose name escapes me right now. So I wouldn't be surprised if he's done that to Ah My Goddess too.

edited 15th Oct '11 7:46:15 AM by CrypticMirror

Hopefully I'll have something up late this evening with all the character-specific tropes moved to the character pages, and inferences as to the causes/reasons for actions sanitized. Since we've the older copies to reference, it should be easy to revert if I've screwed up, but I'll save the originals in case. Then I'll turn to the REST of the Medaka Box pages.

Antvas, you have been banned from the Wiki. Repeatedly. You constantly ignore this ban, thus flagrantly violating the rules of the wiki, and showing utter contempt for the mods and admins. We don't WANT you here. There is no edits you can make that would be good ones. You shouldn't be editing here at all.

You do tangible damage to other users. Everytime you ban-evade, you force Fast Eddie to google-block a few other I Ps that may belong to other innocent users. This does not stop you. You do not care about the other users. You do not respect the mods and admins.

You have lost your privilege to edit the wiki. You cannont 'get better' or 'work with other users.' Every edit you make will be removed as soon as it is realized that it is you, for you are not allowed in here. You are breaking the rules, constantly and with no regard. It only seems 'upside down' to you because you cannot understand that you are violating the rules of the wiki.

Your constant inability to recognize why ban-evasion is bad is why this seems 'upside-down' to you. You will be banned on sight, and continue to be banned on sight. It is too late. You cannot improve. You cannot get better. You do not belong here. The mods have told you this, and you ignore it, and claim persecution. It is tiring.

edited 15th Sep '12 7:54:45 AM by BestOf

To start with, I apologise about any repetitions, or mixed up topic matters. It takes an effort to even organise it this far, and I am feeling tired from writing it this down, but have to post it. I’ll try to reorganise it better later, but please try to make sense of it anyway. Thank you.

To Jordan:

I don’t see how I have any choice when my regular handle has been shut down, and the others are continuously tracked for some reason. Any continuous attempts to help out or use reason have been ignored, so I simply have to continue.

I mean, for example, you have repeatedly stated outright that you harass me for giggles, and to my perspective I just consistently get bothersome login errors, and have to login with some random handle that I don’t even like, but I never make any attempts to hide my personality and am always completely sincere in everything that I write. Probably not consistent (Who is?), but sincere nonetheless.

For example, check out the Deadpool page that I went along with helping to rewrite into a in-character self-parody after other people suggested and started with it, or the story starring a psychopath Villain Protagonist (who is eerily identical to the main villain of Medaka Box), and used lots of very different character voices. I very much can copy-paste completely alien patterned personality prints if I really want to, far more than the majority of writers out there, who mostly write based on them, and yet I never ever do, and am completely upfront about who I am. Why? Because I literally get headaches whenever I encounter genuine deceit and manipulation. I’m not sure why, maybe because I am so extremely attentive, in combination with communication troubles, and being morally offended on top, but I find the most extreme systematic deceit part of society so extremely unsettling that I had to write a story about a character who embodied it.

To KITA:

Well, the thing is that when I came to the page it was already littered with personal opinions, even long rant columns of expressed personal hatred towards the characters, and most of it didn’t seem to pay attention to the story at all, or had much worse grammar than anything that I have written. So, I don’t really get why my observations are any foundation for suddenly reacting?

Sure, some of them need to be cleaned from any unnecessary wordcruft, but as you know, I have been perfectly fine with that, and yes, like any other contributor, I don’t only do perfect edits, but I am making an effort to help out in improving the pages, and my contributions to the page have in themselves definitely been no less valid than anything else, and tend to be observant. Maybe I read too much into things, or the autism forces me to see thigns as more complicated than they are, as others have told me, but on the other hand, if there actually is a deliberate pattern there, I am almost guaranteed to notice (along with any variables of nonexistent ones), and then we can keep that and shorten down the rest.

Regarding grasp of the English language, despite not being native, I actually graded higher in a test than the average native English university student, and I have repeatedly cleaned up the grammar of other people on the page.

As you state, I actually am mid-level autistic to start with (and there is no such thing as “Asperger” anymore btw), definitely more severe than most high-functioning autistic, including being near completely unable to organise without help with intense scheduling, but less than low-functioning, including the fixation on structures and patterns (that I have been told can somehow be misunderstood as hatred, which has absolutely nothing to do with it, and just because I understand how something works, doesn’t at all mean that I am intolerant towards it, as I am quite accepting, with very few exceptions), but I have plenty of other things on top of that, partially due to all the insane input, which apparently can make me embarrassing for some autistic who are comparatively much saner (although I get along fine with most, who simply find me odd), but I actually am behaving as best I can.

I don’t like the term “weasel words” for this context, as this entire wiki would be made of them in that case. I write “seems to be” and such, as, despite it being an extremely glaring detail to me, others may disagree with the impression. Most contributors just write: “is definitely this way” instead.

Also, again, the Medaka Box page before I came there was littered with bias, speculation, bad spelling, lack of organisation, and personal opinions that I had absolutely nothing to do with, so it is/seems unfair to react first after I do some reasonably observant contributions.

Anyway, I turned interested because of Najimi, combined with the manga apparently being written like a tvtropes page, and Kumagawa, who seems to be 25% very specific satire of my most unusual personality quirks, including using brackets to illustrate a patterned personality, and 75% satire of other more general stuff, not to mention that TES Koro also seemed to receive a Shout-Out character in Hinokage, so it makes me wonder if I somehow helped to inspire it? Maybe the author is a troper? Not that I mind, as it stars a lot of different autistic characters, which I think is very nice of the author, regardless of any cracks at me personally. Although it seems far more likely that Kumagawa is a Take That! against the most extreme manga writers, than a misaimed swipe at me. It is Najimi who makes me suspicious. At the very least her original looks, personality, and name all point a massive finger in Nabiki’s direction, even if it wasn’t my take on the character in particular.

Regarding the quoted column in question, as you remember, as usual, I tried to mediate, reach a compromise, and explain myself as having a sound basis for most of the impressions, so I think citing as an example is blown out of context, especially as most of my contributions were very brief compared to the way they used to be.

I dislike when some people seem to try to use my sincerity as a weapon against me. The more of an effort I make to help, be observant, open-minded, honest, and constructive, the more others try to twist it into a crime, or even something to be harassed for giggles, so how exactly am I being a “weasel” in comparison?

There have actually been a few hate-blogs and death-threats against me, or people like Cryptic Mirror/thedragoness who simply state their hatred of me here. If Kumagawa actually is a Take That!, then because some media people find me unbelievably depressing, even though I try not to be a bother, and I don’t see why I am singled out when the media people themselves produce far more nightmarish, depressing, and monstrously chilling things?

Still, these are the standards to go by? Stalking, sadism, badly motivated obsessive hatred, trolling, manipulation, insincerity, misdirection, distorted mockery, and death-threats, and yet in comparison ‘’’I’’’ of all people am singled out no matter how hard I try to be nice, reasonable, helpful, and constructive, rather than just focus on far more genuine problems, or appreciate that I am very sincere, making serious efforts, and collaborate together to improve pages and find compromises? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Why not focus on people who spread lovecraftian horrors, hellfire&brimstone torture fantasies, and horrific slaughter zones as the extent of imagination and ideal to strive towards instead? I mostly just write down random trivia.

Anyway, I'm making serious efforts to make positive contributions, and be much briefer in 95% of the edits nowadays, and do not like when my much larger amount of constructive edits and efforts ignored, with the lesser amount of dumb whims blown out of proportion while not telling that I have been very mediating and compromising whenever anybody contests them, and my efforts systematically vandalised on principle out of strange hatred? It all seems extremely upside-down and disproportionate to me, I cannot make any sense of it whatsoever, just continuously try to do better.

Cryptic has stated outright that she hates me through proxies, and occasionally pretends to be much more clueless than she really is, or behave in a quite twofaced manner of sucking up extremely to any available authority figure, or twist any opportunity, such as this one, to her advantage to easily get rid of pages she dislikes or push the wiki in a certain direction, never mind what anybody else who has put down a lot of work thinks. However, I think that she has a fundamental misunderstanding of me. I don’t see Ranma as serious social drama in itself and liked the lighthearted tone. I simply have absolutely no filters, and write down exactly the tropes that I notice, much the same way as any other page. She may simply dislike the nature of tvtropes itself, as I don’t get how what I do is any different? Although I admit that reading quite a few much darker fanfics likely skewed my impression of it. For example, I didn’t mind either Nabiki or Shampoo before some people simultaneously started to have them behave like complete (media, not real world style) psychopaths and endorsing them in the same breath.

Anyway, it is a hollow argument, as there have been tons of contributors there besides me. I have only contributed to around 25% of it, and everything was gradually worked out through compromises. Reformat if you wish, but nuking them to only suit Cryptic’s whims in particular seems very onesided and extreme. I haven’t been involved with the AMG page, and only wrote that Panty And Stocking With Garterbelt is a very glaring satire of western media… which it actually is, but for some reason it was not allowed to remain.

I did write up most of the character section for the Hulk page though, but others later added or removed quite a lot of it there as well, as is the nature of this place.

Anyway, there are plenty of people running around here who have done far worse transgressions than I ever have, so why not just accept that I am doing sincere honest efforts to make positive contributions, and collaborate rather than looking for a convenient scapegoat, simply because I am so unusual and observant in combination? I’m not really sure what the few people who actually do try to manipulate the rest of you really want from me, beyond the whole “You’re automatically effing depressing”. I do things compulsively yes, but I am doing what I can to help out, and they should start seeing the forests rather than the trees. What makes me in particular so offensive? It is a mixture of very strange and depressing to always get so much flack over comparatively nothing. Everybody here does idiotic edits at times, but most of the ones I do are useful, for the ones that are bad I am as good as always willing to compromise, and I consistently help to better reformat or improve the spelling of similar glitches in other people’s edits.

The current approach obviously doesn’t work at all, so why not let go of any hang-ups or badly motivated grudges about me, accept that I am not doing anything more upsetting than the average editor, including several of the people who are overly fixated on me if you take a good look, that I was originally banned on a casual whim that I wasn’t even aware was more than temporary at the time, and certain underhanded people then started to use this as a convenient way to blow me completely out of proportion to push personal agendas. See Cryptic above for much lighter example (I mean, she hasn’t written stories in which some distortion is graphically debased an tortured to death, which has happened. Nor has she organised any death threats. She simply wants to “burned earth” censor things that she disagrees with, and at least admits it outright) I either have nothing to do with the pages, or haven’t written the vast majority of it, and most of what I have written has been okay or easily fixed, but never mind that. Nuke it all anyway. If you dislike something, just rewrite it. I’ve only been doing very minor vandalism corrections anyway (such as putting Ranma and Akane as type IV Jerk with a Heart of Jerk antiheroes, which they are not).

Maybe it is just that tvtropes doesn’t use the regular wiki overlook system, which makes it harder to neatly check up other people’s editing behaviours, and it would be far more obvious to the casual onlooker that I am being very diligently helpful if they could check out the editing history for my one single account in that type of wiki, rather than mr being forced to continuously log in with new handles due to the stalking, and admittedly continue where I left off without any dishonest pretences otherwise, whereas most others try to distort their personalities, but why should it ‘’only’’ be demanded of me in particular that I have no glitches in my editing whatsoever rather than help to complement each other/fill in the blanks? That would seem far more reasonable.

Still, I am being honest and treating any onlookers openly, without falsehoods, so we’ll see whether it is allowed? As usual, I’m trying to be forgiving, and hoping for the decent and reasonable part of human nature to win out of course, but we’ll see.

About this topic in particular, I’m open to compromise and reformatting of course, but not using this as a pretext to censor out anything you wish to keep under wraps, no matter how accurate, especially not with the contrast of keeping far more speculative parts just because I didn’t write them.

To Cygan and Cryptic regarding the handle:

I originally used “Antvasima” as a handle when I came here, so that is the legitimate one, and chose it on a whim ten years ago… Probably because it sounded like something from Kalevala, which I was interested in at the time. Much later, I was told that it anagrammed by a writer who thought that “vast anima” was a revelation of the true nature of my interpretation of Nabiki, based on that she was somewhat similar to a more extreme Ava from A Dame To Kill For. Of course, my actual anima/ideal woman is probably something closer to Belldandy, whereas Nabiki is more of a mixture of polar Opposites Attract, feeling overwhelmed from spending enough time talking with psychopaths online, and digesting their type of endorsement media, that they eventually convinced me that gleefully deceitful conscience-deprived Social Darwinist types are the true Uber Mensch, with myself closer to the bottom, Idiot Savant or not, and being extremely bothered by the concept.

But you are the ones who ban ip's for no good reason, while ignoring people who deliver death-threats, repeated troll stalking, actual underhanded agendas, and proclaimed hate-fueled vendettas. If you would just let go of your fixation on me, and accept the edits that are good and modify the rest the same as for anybody else, then there would be no problem.

I mean, you literally forced me into this position. I was banned on a whim without warning before I even knew the layouts of this place. Attempts to politely communicate were meaningless and met with casual severe insults (I was admittedly confused at the time since it was so sudden, but still). I initially thought that it was just temporary, since I could log in fine with another handle without switching ips, but later some people started to want me out of the way and blew it up completely out of proportion.

Then all my sincere continuous efforts and good intentions were ignored, and minor parts were blown up and distorted completely out of context, and real troll stalking threads were endorsed. Unlike every single other ban-evader out there I am not trying to hide, manipulate, or be insincere, and I actually literally cannot stop my fixation, only fight against to diminish it, so what am I supposed to do? I actually can't stop just like that, only try to behave well. It is the best that I can manage, and I am not doing anything worse in my edits than the average editor, but somehow seem to have turned into a scapegoat for some who dislike the fundamental nature of this wiki in itself.

And additionally: Haven't you harrassed me to extremes to be a sufficient overkill "punishment" yet? Am I supposed to be punished forever for comparatively very small offenses, while much greater ones are ignored, despite all my efforts to do useful contributions, add trivia, useful observations, help others contributors with spellchecks, reformatting, organisationand so onwards? There are also plenty of true vandals out there to focus on, and I even help to undo the ones that I come across. I'm the least of your problems, so it is much better to focus on the real ones.

But that's because I don't have any true choice once i get a severe fixation, and I am trying to do the best of the situation, be helpful, and not be an ass or unreasonable. Also, the original ban reason was very silly, and then people like Cryptic who wanted me out of the way of their agenda, started to distort and blow me out of proportion to the moderators, whereupon some other people took advantage and started to manipulate other users into a troll frenzy in an unwise choice to make me into something very different from what I am. Whereupon some of them, such as Ghilz (who has used the commonly media-marketed-against-downloading "home invasion" phrase, which makes him additionally suspicious) and Iaculus decided to take it one step further and encourage people to find me and murder me outside of the wiki.

None of it for any particular reason beyond that they find me automatically depressing, and that I am an Idiot Savant with a type of Hyper-Awareness, despite that there are far more influential and depressing people around, or that they dislike this wiki in itself, which isn't my fault, as I'm having much less influence over it than plenty of others, who are even more depressing. So they label me as a nihilist, despite that I thoroughly hate it, and have a very firm moral system, just a rational one, and the very few times that I actually have an agenda (which was in the story, and the Marvel edit, as everything else here has been random) I try to protect others from nihilism and Cosmic Horror, or autistic children from being mismanaged. As well-managed ones recurrently turn into Einstein or Bill Gates, and badly managed ones recurrently turn into vegetables.

Oh well, if you are the author of Medaka Box, I thank you for providing other autistic with a comic that they can relate to in any case. It is also nice that somebody wrote a sort of "what happened next after the final scene" epilogue for my God-Mode Sue Villain Sue ascending to Antichrist sentient idea character. It was a result of absorbing the sum total of all my then current media input and giving it a personality.

edited 16th Oct '11 2:22:04 AM by Calculus

Antvas, they're not banning I Ps for no good reason.

They're banning I Ps because you are banned and keep finding ways around that.

OK, locking the thread for the following reason:

It is about a person. And now that person has become the topic rather than the repairs the page is supposed to be about.

While I am fairly sure that the original intent here was benign, this thread is a really bad idea as is.