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Pre-Sequel Playable Characters
The "Claptrap the Fragtrap" thing is a red herring. The fourth playable character will be Angel, since so far every game has included a Siren, and she was too much of a charismatic character to just not feature her in new games.

Failing this, we will witness what really happened with Angel and her mom.

Or even possible, as an DLC character.

Claptrap's abilities will include not needing to breath in the space areas
Because it just seems pretty logical (the alternative will be some sort of - no doubt hilarious - explanation). Or at least not need to breath as much.
  • This is Borderlands we're talking about here. Logic isn't exactly a major concern.
  • Confirmed: Claptrap doesn't need to worry about his oxygen supply, though he does whine about his 'psychosomatic' need of it. Also, oxygen is needed in order to power high jumps and Ground Pound abilities.

General speculation as to why lasers and Ice weapons aren't in Borderlands 2
  • One possible theory is that they only work as intended on the moon.
    • E-tech weapons are generally superior to lasers or cost less for comparable effects, or simply Hyperion desroying all sources of competing energy weapons on Pandora (so that their Eridium monopoly is more profitable).
  • According to the ECHO Cast twitter account run by Gearbox, Cryo weapons run on methane that evaporates on non-Elpis climates and laser weaponry crumple in Pandora's atmosphere.
    • They work perfectly well on Helios, which has climate and gravity equal to Pandora.
      • I'm gonna play the 'Gameplay and Story Segregation' card there - it would be incredibly frustrating if some of your weapons broke whenever you were there.
  • Mr. Torgue's campaign to destroy all lasers may have been successful.
  • A loading screen message speaks of an incident involving Marcus and a straw. "Don't ask."

Dr. Ted will be selling health and shields

Dr. Zed is the only physician on Pandora who's willing to help anyone. You bought your healing supplies from Dr. Ned in his DLC, and he's dead now. Zombie T.K Baha accidentally lets slip that there's also a "Ted", but quickly remembered that you're not supposed to talk about that "forbidden brother". Marcus will no doubt find a way to peddle his guns even up on the moon, but Dr. Zed's influence doesn't reach that far. SOMEONE has to do it, so why not expand on this "forbidden brother" as another one who's willing to work toward Jack's goal?

  • Jossed: The health vendors are operated by Nurse Nina.

Health and Shields will be sold by later female vendor
The footage of the game so far has shown a female doctor on the medical vending machines. She could also be Dr. Ted as speculated above (she'd hardly be the first space dwelling female character to use a misleadingly masculine derivative of Edward/Edwina).
  • Confirmed.

One of the bosses in the game, possibly near the end or even the final boss, will be the original four Vault Hunters.

As stated in Borderlands 2, Wilhem nearly killed all four of the original Vault Hunters in the time between 1 and 2. But here's the thing. As also stated in Borderlands 2, canonically it was Roland who killed 9-Toes and did the jump in Piss Wash Gully, Mordecai won the Underdome, and Brick claimed Sledge's Hammer. (Meaning most likely he was the one who killed him) In actual gameplay, anyone of the characters (And their clones!) could have done those feats and more. So it's possible that in the Pre-Sequel you will head down to New Haven and fight the original four, regardless if you or a teammate is playing as Wilhem.

  • Jossed: While Roland and Lilith screw you over, you don't fight them in the main game. Wilhelm's siege on New Have is detailed in the credits however.

Jack will discover an artifact that brands his face, and it will drive him insane.

According to lore, the psychos came into being when the convict miners discovered an artifact (vault key piece I think), this discovery was covered up but was known to have driven the convicts insane and given them their mutations. So maybe Jack will discover an eridian artifact that drives him insane, or enhances his worst character aspects (jerkiness, etc.) because, as this video shows at around 6:42, Jack cares way more about human life than he does in Borderlands 2.

  • Part true: Jack's face was branded by an artifact... via Lilith punching it into his face.
    • Also, while Jack had already become pretty far gone by the time he downloaded the contents of the Eridian artifact into his brain, he does seem to be even crazier afterwards, especially given his maniacally laughter during the downloading process.

The Framing Device will be Hyperion propaganda.

Marcus was telling the Vault Hunters' story, and sometimes he would let in pieces that imply he's stretching it a bit ("Dr. Ned, who is totally not Dr. Zed from the last story at all...", "And that is how it really happened, except for the part about me getting stood up...", "Is any of this going to be true?" "Yes. Probably a lot of it."). So part of the reason Jack is so heroic in this installment is because it'll be told from a pro-Hyperion viewpoint.

  • Jossed. The Framing Device is Athena explaining Jack's rise to power, first to the vault hunters, and later to Tiny Tina then to Axton and Gaige.

Handsome Jack will be a DLC character class

Because come on, there's no way they'd miss that opportunity.

  • Unlikely, as making an in-game NPC a playable character would probably break suspension of disbelief a bit too far to handwave as simply being "REASONS". That and you'll have to change a lot of the game.
  • As it turns out, Handsome Jack's body double is going to be a DLC character.

Krieg will be featured as his non-slagmutated and non-crazy self.
In the trailer we see somebody who looks a heck of a lot like Tina if she was older, so likely, that'll be her mother. In the Wedding DLC for borderlands 2, Krieg refers to "the tiny one and the sad-faced mother" as people he loved. with his psychopathic state, it's likely he might not know the difference between normal fondness and love anymore(at least, his insane loud side).. Seeing how he was a mercenary before his little dip into the world of nasty purple stuff, it's likely he was hired by Tiny Tina's family to protect them. He ends up caring a bit more then planned, as often happens with this kind of thing.During one of the missions, you will end up capturing the family and Krieg to harbor them from the Dahl army. Most likely after having to weaken Krieg, who will be on par with a super badass in difficulty. They'll end up unmentioned again for nasty implications.
  • Jossed since the character in question is Janey Springs and she's a lesbian who has a crush on Athena.

Zarpedon will be revealed as either a well intentioned extremist or even a heroic antagonist

First off considering that every echolog that showed Jack's personality prior to BL 1 (and thus any supposed incident that drove him to insanity) demonstrated he was already a violent psychopath, just a more constrained and hidden one, along with the knowledge of what his ultimate goals are, it's entirely possible that Jack's behavior is all a act or at the very least he's more (though not entirely) stable mentally.

Whats more, consider the backstory mentions that one reason Dahl (which Zarpedon works for) left Pandora was due to some discovery that turned the convict labor insane and mutated them, and that said thing has never been elaborated on, it could be that Zarpedon either knows how dangerous Jack or a opened Vault really is, and is taking no chances in dealing with both.

But most telling of all is a echocast she gives in one of the Athena gameplay demos where she tells the citizens of Elpis that her actions are necessary.

  • Confirmed. Prior to the start of the game, the Watcher had informed her of a terrible war that would break out should the Vault of the Warrior be opened. The Vault on Elpis contained what seems to be the only remaining information on the Vault of the Warrior, so Zarpedon and her crew decided to guard it. After learning about the opening of the original Vault and Jack's hunt for a Vault on Elpis, Zarpedon realized that the only guaranteed way to prevent the war would be to destroy Pandora and Elpis - and their Vaults along with them.

Janey is tall and lanky because she grew up in the low-gravity of Elpis
Lower gravity = less compression on joints. Also, serious muscle and bone problems.

Athena sees Handsome Jack's Start of Darkness repeating itself.
Athena sees Lilith going down the same path Handsome Jack did, from hero to anti-hero to villain, and that's why she was avoiding Sanctuary for so long. Lilith has, like Jack, become less genuinely heroic and more self-obsessed and sociopathic over time and, by the time of Borderlands 2, has become Drunk with Power and has a hard time resisting the urge to show off. She doesn't even use guns anymore and once excitedly spoke to Roland about how awesome it was that she liquefied a bandit with her powers. By the beginning of the Pre-Sequel, she's no longer even doing her own work, referring to friends Brick and Mordecai as her 'best men' (viewing them as subordinate) while merely expressing annoyance with how badly they're hurt by Athena during the capture. After hearing the whole story and Athena confesses her regret, Lilith orders her soldiers to kill Athena anyway, over the objections of Brick and Mordecai no less, which comes as a surprise to everyone but Athena - She correctly predicts Lilith had decided to kill her the moment she was captured because she's expecting her to act like Jack would.

Athena and Janey become an item after the events of the game, and Athena was found because she tried to contact Janey.
The game all but flat-out state that they had something together after the events of the game, and Janey appears in the credits being the person to give Athena goodbye as she returns to Pandora, Athena would have tried to contact Janey to ensure to Janey she is alright, and the Crimson Raiders tracked down the signal from the transmission.
  • Confirmed as of Episodes 2 & 3 of Tales.

Moxxi avoids Janey at least in part because Janey reminds her of her kids
Moxxi claims that the reason she avoids Janey is because Janey keeps asking after her, but literally everyone in Sanctuary (and Captain Scarlett) did that in 2, Janey's just far more forward about it. And given that Janey has a bunch of technical know-how and essentially runs the vehicle show on Elpis, much like Scooter and Ellie do on Pandora, the commonalities could be a contributing factor there.

The Coming War

  • We will finally be able to use our old favorite Vault Hunters again, minus Roland, Nisha, Wilhelm, and Jack's Body Double, who have not survived past the activation of the Vault Map; and we get them with much more OOMPH! Not only has Lilith gained more power, Mordecai a new Bloodwing, and Brick now possessing a big-ass hammer, the new Vault Hunters of Borderlands 2 have gained experience, Athena now has access to what remains of DAHL, Hyperion and Atlas (from whatever Roland had recovered), and with the demise of Hyperion Claptrap's combat software could still be recovered and restored, coupled with a now-voluntary cloaking ability that doesn't override his other protocols. Or at the very least, we can have all of these people fight by our side again, and it will be BADASS. "We will need all the Vault Hunters we can get" after all.
  • The Alien will be the primary mission giver in the next sequel.
  • If we don't get to play as the old Vault Hunters, we get Tiny Tina (aged up or not), with a Skill that would put Torgue Fiesta to shame.
  • Well, we have no way of knowing if Jack's Body Double that we'll get to play as is dead, because he's not the same one as the on killed in Borderlands 2 (who was voiced hilariously badly by Anthony Burch, while this Jack Double appears to be Timothy from the ECHO logs scattered around Jack's office, who is voiced by Dameon Clarke) - also, why would Jack only have one double made of him? Plus having him stick around is a rather fun way of keeping Handsome Jack around without bringing the original back from the dead to cause havoc.
    • If by any chance Rhys and Fiona show up, they'll be Vault Hunters in training. Oh, and Michael Mamaril could be an NPC who occasionally helps out.
    • Anthony Burch has actually expressed regret at killing off Nisha in Borderlands 2. It's possible that she will be back somehow, still sadistic but somewhat nicer and willing to make up for her past actions, due to Athena's urging (perhaps one sidequest will have her make you send Brick a new friendly Skag puppy.)
  • The Enemies of the Vault Hunters will be many, varied, and all deserving of a bullet in the head.
    • The Hyperion Board of Directors. Maxim Turner in particular, who will be excessively Affably Evil and won't stop smiling.
    • Eridians who are against the Guardian, possibly ones who were locked up in the Vaults as prisoners.
    • An Evil Siren. One who's gone full blown A God Am I and is using her phase powers to control or lay waste to entire armies.
    • The Dahl Corporation comes back to the planet with their army to reap the riches left by Handsome Jack's reign and Atlas's glory days, along with arming itself with alien tech from the aforementioned Eridians, plus the Seraphs and forming an alliance with nearly all the bandit clans (with the exception of the Slabs) to lay waste to Sanctuary and the Crimson Raiders, who they regard as traitors. Expect nearly all the corporations, apart from the Bandits and Hyperion, allying up with Vladof, Dahl's main rival and now the official sponsor of the Crimson Raiders, to stop them from taking over the planet and Elpis. And who's running it? A sociopathic General Ripper, War for Fun and Profit type with legions of Dahl Space Marines, Alien Soldiers and heavily armed Bandits at his beck and call, plus Handsome Jack's jerkassery and evilness taken up to eleven.
      • Also, the Caustic Caverns and Sanctuary Hole, along with Eridium Blight, the Boneyards and the Badlands will be taken over by Dahl, along with the ruins of Helios and possibly most of Elpis as well, except Concordia, which has plenty of Vladof revolutionaries, Jakobs lawmen, Tediore engineers, Torgue bikers and Maliwan mercenaries defending it to the last man.
  • I think the reason for this upcoming war is that when the Vault Hunters learned of the existence of dozens of vaults scattered throughout the Six Galaxies, so did everyone else. All those vaults "activated" and made their presence known to anyone inhabiting or monitoring the planets they are located on. This will lead to Dahl, Hyperion, Maliwan, Torgue (now that Mr. Torgue sold off his company and has been fired as spokesperson), Vladof, Jakobs, and possibly even Tediore all fighting each other for absolute control over the vaults, and it'll be the Vault Hunter's jobs to stop anyone who tries. Pandora would only be the beginning.
    • I second this section of the WMG, if only because it would mean more varieties of enemies and hopefully new enemy AI to go up against.
  • A popular enemy idea is that, if Lilith remains an NPC, she will become more and more corrupted and like Jack, eventually turning into the Dark Firehawk, or worse.

The Moonstones have some special property that has yet to be explored
  • They essentially fill the same function as Eridium did in Borderlands 2, Crazy Earl wants them for... something, they're used to activate the Raid Boss (even if that is non-canon) and they offer additional features to weaponry. There's got to be something special about them. My theory is that they counter-act the more negative effects of Eridium dependency or remove the dependency altogether, given their presence on Elpis, which has a wide-open Vault and the more elite members of the Lost Legion and Zarpedon herself are clearly hopped up on enough Eridium that they should probably be dead.

"I wasn't about to leave a job half done"
  • What if at least part of the reason Athena refuses to stop hunting the Vault, even when she's clearly working for a maniac and knows it, isn't due to pride about having never left a job unfinished, and more due to the Atlas assassin training making her essentially unable to leave a job half-finished once she's a part of it. I don't imagine the training tolerated giving up or being sloppy about a job either.

The Vaults have Indoctrination Powers
We don't know exactly what the Vaults do, but after being exposed to something inside the Vault, both Zarpedon and Jack became obsessed with finding, opening, and defending Vaults. Zarpedon's faced started glowing purple in a way that we associate with Eridians and Vaults, but it could be that the purple is an effect of the Vault itself, since the white-and-red alien was an Eridian that was different colors. There is something in or about the Vaults that effects people's minds, making them want to defend the Vault at all costs. What we think of as "Eridian", which is to say purple and Vault-like, could actually be just the Eridians corrupted by the Vault, since members of the Lost Legion, including Zarpedon start to look the same after being exposed to the open Vault.The Coming War could be fought with the Vault Hunters and remaining Eridians against the Vaults and Vaultbuilders, with corrupt Eridians (and possibly humans) on their side.

Athena will replace Roland in the Original Four.
  • Right now, Athena is a Vault Hunter without a crew. Wilhelm and Nisha are dead, Jack's double probably is, and Claptrap is back to normal. Without Roland, the Original Four have a slot open, a slot in which Athena actually fits perfectly - Like Roland she's an ex-Atlas defector with a good mind for strategy and leadership, like Roland she tends to focus on defending others, and like Roland she is The Heart of her group. Additionally all Roland's traditional allies (bar Lilith) seem to like her a great deal. On a meta level, both were characters in the original Borderlands and both tend to be most effective in group play when built in a similar fashion, supporting allies and distracting enemies rather than doing all the heavy lifting themselves, though both are capable of doing that if they have to. She not only fills the role in the lore, she also fills the role in gameplay.

The next Borderlands game will be an MMO.

The revelation of vaults all over the galaxy and the Guardian's statement about a coming war and needing all the Vault Hunters they can get hint at a broad expansion of game scope. Perhaps it will be an MMO wherein all the surviving Vault Hunters are quest givers who sometimes fight by the player-characters' sides.

There will be a Love Triangle in the next game.

It will involve Gaige, Pickle, and Tiny Tina. Don't ask me who'll be falling for who. What ever happens, it will involve copious amounts of larceny, robots, explosions, and thieving robots that explode. Moxxi will be the quest giver because she sees it as the most adorable expression of young love on Pandora, and she wants to play cupid.

  • Tina is lesbian though, so if anything Gaige would be the one at the center, although by that point she'd probably be as old as Lilith was in the original Borderlands. Here's to hoping we do get a new stealth class in the form of Pickle

Moxxi will try to have Athena killed before Borderlands 3.

Hey, Moxxi told her that if she told anyone about her redneck accent, she'd put her in a shallow grave. And she just told the Vault Hunters. Twice. Shallow grave~♥

  • Then again all of the Vault Hunters probably noticed it by now at this point anyway.
  • The BL 2 Vault Hunters should definitely know about her accent, as tipping her enough in her bar makes her accidentally slipped into it. The BL 1 Vault Hunters probably found out when Moxxi dumped Mordecai, because that's likely something he'd tell them, or they found out about it simply because they've been working with her for so long.

Zer0 is Timothy Lawrence

Considering the Pre-Sequel! takes place like a year or two after the first one, and the second one happened about 3-4 years after this one, a lot could change in that time. Both Zer0 and "Jack" can generate holograms, not to mention Zer0 never shows his face anyway.

Granted, not so sure in regards to their height so feel free to joss.

  • The ECHO logs you collect where Angel is telling Jack about Zer0 imply that Zer0 didn't know anything about any vaults
    • Zer0 is most likely not human. He has four fingers per hand and walks in a notably different manner from Human stance.

The true nature of Pandora

Taking into account that Angel is not exactly a reliable source of information, not that it was her choice, but after all we have seen, perhaps our idea about the Destroyer, the Warrior, Pandora itself, and Elpis (specifically Eleseer), has been wrong all this time. We now know Elpis is not actually a real moon, or is one that has been extensively hollowed out. Also, have you ever wondered this: did we open the Vaults in the right order?

Whet if the entirety of Pandora is actually a gigantic Halo-like (ecosystem-supporting) Death Star?

Think about it. First, Elpis: it could very have well been either the command center from which the Eridians could control Pandora's features from the very heavens. If not this, then at the very least it possesses the same function as a colossal Library

Second: The Warrior and the Vault Map. Both I would say could serve separate purposes completely unrelated to the other. It may be this specific Vault that acts as either a networking terminal or a navigation system to relocate Pandora itself. As for the Warrior, it's a failsafe, but not for the Destroyer. It's for purging the entire planet against anyone who comes close to retaking such a dangerous superweapon.

Finally, the Destroyer: Ever start up a machine, even a car, but it takes a while to actually get warmed up to its full capability. When we killed the Destroyer, it was hardly at optimum power, and as we already know, it's amplified by Eridium. Perhaps Eridium didn't come from another dimension at all, and was simply buried deep within the planet, but connected to the Destoyer through various veins. One the superweapon was disconnected at the same time that its energy was being pumped into it, well... what happens when you cut off a closed hose while the valve is turned?

In short: Vault Map = Navigation/Network, Warrior = failsafe/self-destruct, Elpis = Library/Command Center, Destroyer = primary planet-destroying weapon

And the reason behind there being other Vaults in other galaxies? Why does more than one country have a nuke pointed at each other?

The next game's intro will involve all the playable Vault Hunters so far or the six playable ones and the others fighting alongside troops on Pandora or Elpis.
  • Because it would be awesome.

Timothy Lawrence will wear a mask in Borderlands 3
He can't revert the surgery, so a mask would be the best option to not look like Jack, it would be fitting for Handsome Jack.

Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode will be yet another narration, this time....

It will be Athena telling the story to Krieg and Maya. Maya will, of course, provide the rational side and probably ask Athena all kinds of scholarly questions. Meanwhile, Krieg will be... Krieg.

  • UVHM has no special narration. It's the exact same as TVHM.

Mr. Torgue will develop a new line of Claptraps.

Because Fragtrap explodes a lot, and explosions are AWESOME. Pre-Sequel positioned Claptrap as the kind of tech Torgue would be very interested in, and if Hyperion need to make cutbacks after Borderlands 2 they might choose to sell off a discontinued product line dirt cheap.

Returning Vault Hunters in the next game are:
  • The surviving BL1 Vault Hunters and all the BL2 Vault Hunters as NPCs. Athena, Timothy, Aurelia, Claptrap will join them as well, and possibly Nisha, if the writing team decides to use "writing magic" to revive her in some way (and she goes through serious character development over the course of the game).
  • The protagonists of Tales from the Borderlands as the newest members and possibly the best so far, having been trained by every existing Vault Hunter in preparation for the war.

In the next game you will have to choose between completing a mission for Hammerlock or his sister Aurelia:
They seem to hate each other, so there could be a series of mission of them trying to prove themselves the better hunter and in one of the mission you will given the choice to do want Hammerlock wants you to do, or what Aurelia wants to do.

Shadowtrap will be back.
He didn't even look close to dead at the end of Claptastic Voyage.

The next game will focus on six new vault hunters.
Gearbox has done well with introducing new and clever characters so far, so reusing the previous cast doesn't sound like something they would waste time on.

Borderlands 3 will not feature Jack as a villain, nor will he appear in any major capacity
He's been killed twice now, it's time for new villains to take the spotlight. This doesn't mean he won't appear, but he won't be the main villain anymore. Bonus points if there's a callback to Nakayama's failure cloning the Destroyer and we get a Jack that is the size of a Lil Psycho running about.

Borderlands 3 Intro Music

Just because.

  • Churchill-Change: The tone of the song could match perfectly with the idea that the universe is about to change, and the Vault hunters must either change with it or be swept away.

Jack killed Timothy between games

  • He wasn't about to let anyone walk around wearing his old, pre-scarred face, and he had no need for a guy who looked like that anymore. He does have a body double in BL 2, but that's clearly a different guy, and uses holograms instead of actually having Jack's face. And Timothy was considerably less evil than Nisha or Wilhelm, so it's doubtful he'd stay in Jack's employ anyway. He's the one Vault Hunter we don't know the fate of (even Aurelia got name-dropped as still alive), so good chance he's dead. Two possibilities for how:
    • Know how in the intro of Borderlands 2, Jack left a decoy on the train? That's him, after being heavily tortured and killed by Jack.
    • Alternately, maybe Timothy is the source of Jack's mask. Shame to let a pristine copy of his face go to waste, right?

Janey Springs is related to Tiny Tina.

  • She probably isn't Tina's mother, since Tina's parents were murdered by Hyperion (no thanks to Flesh-Stick) before the events of 2, and Springs is gay, but there is no denying Springs and Tina look very similar to one another. Perhaps Springs is Tina's aunt, or a cousin?

There are going to be loads and loads of spin-offs.
  • With the supposed "War" approaching, as well as the map filled with Vaults spread across the universe, there are going to be a lot of games, each focusing on a different group of Vault Hunters battling and/or working with different corporations to open the many vaults across the galaxy.
    • Perhaps there would be one more game taking place on Pandora to round out the trilogy, and then each game afterwards would take place on another planet.

Every surviving playable Vault Hunter will be playable in Borderlands 3
  • The alien said that a war is coming and we're going to need all the Vault Hunters we can get. The Borderlands 1 characters are present for the initial framing story, and the Borderlands 2 characters show up later. On top of that, they go out of their way to tell us that Aurelia was tracked down and recruited in the present despite the misgivings about her. This would be a perfect setup for the climactic events implied to be taking place in Borderlands 3, be a huge selling point, and perhaps even give some reason for the characters to have belonged to classes all along (like Lilith and Maya sharing Class Mods). New characters could still be added (likely at least a couple from Tales from the Borderlands), especially since more characters could overlap. This would also offer players an option to keep Jack in the series (through Timothy) without forcing it.