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RobTan
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01:07:14 PM Aug 3rd 2014
Shouldn't the Designated Hero be the evil counterpart to the Designated Villain?
HotmanX32
01:26:41 PM Aug 3rd 2014
Don't you mean vice versa?
MagBas
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02:40:11 AM Feb 8th 2014
edited by 200.187.116.2
Here are some examples removed recently- and the example that was put in their place.

Alpha Bitch have nothing in common with The Pollyanna

Being Good Sucks is a goodness trope and Being Evil Sucks is a evil trope.

Pragmatic Villain and Heroic Neutral have absolutely nothing in common.
MagBas
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06:19:57 AM Jul 31st 2013

Jerkass is not the counterpart to Nice Guy but merely their opposite.
411314
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07:07:54 AM Nov 1st 2012
I'm the one who put that Bigger Bad is the counterpart to Big Good, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm mistaken. I suppose if the Bigger Bad were a distant, unseen person who lead the other bad guys from behind the scenes, he/she could be equivalent to the Big Good, but apparently the Bigger Bad could also be a force. Can the Big Good be an impersonal force? I suspect this should be changed, but I'm not sure what to change it to.
blueflame724
08:21:42 AM Nov 1st 2012
Hmm, in some sense the Big Good can be an impersonal force i.e Hero of Another Story. They may be leading the fight against evil, but not really allied with the hero. Though the Big Good tends to be the mentor or direct superior to the hero.
MithrandirOlorin
04:28:12 PM Nov 28th 2012
I think a Bigger Good trope should be created. The Big Good is the Good Counterpart to the Big Bad as often as they are The Hero.
Stoogebie
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11:12:56 AM Jun 11th 2012
Would the 2p designs of Axis Powers Hetalia count as a fandom example? They apparently aren't meant to be evil, but the fandom tends to portray them as Darker and Edgier polar opposites of their original-color selves.
MithrandirOlorin
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11:06:10 PM May 25th 2012
edited by MithrandirOlorin
For the Tropes Counterparts, shouldn't Fallen Hero be the Evil counterpart to Redeemed Villian?
MithrandirOlorin
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10:53:21 PM May 25th 2012
edited by MithrandirOlorin
I feel like the main description should mention how an Evil Counterpart can sometimes be The Dragon and or some other kind of Muscle to a Mad Scientist or some other Brian rather then Brawn villain Big Bad or Arch-Enemy. Faith (I'm surprised Buffy and Faith mentioned here) becomes The Mayor's. Shadow was this for Robonick originally, though Shadow was a Dragon with an Agenda

Bass and Treble are this to Dr.Willy against Megaman and Rush. I realize that in origin he seems like nothing more then an Evil Knock Off, but he has sufficiency been given individual characterization. Willy is definitely a Counterpart to Light, him having Bass completes that.

There is no Video Game folder here, even thought the page Picture clearly identifies Wario and Waluigi as Textbook examples? In some ways I think this Trope is it's most common in Video Game, they love to the make player hypothetical fight himself. Would Dark Link be this or one of the Sister Tropes?

I just noticed some Video Game examples are under literature, while under Literature both Saruman and Gollum are lacking, like many Trope Tolkien deals with those are arguably the Codifiers.

An additional note to Code Geass is I consider Kallen Suzaku's counterpart.

Kane was originally an Evil C Ounterpart to The Undertaker. Though they had a tendency to both team up and switch sides.
MagBas
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01:20:01 AM Nov 17th 2011
  • Thematically, the Necrons and the Tyranids. Necrons are mechanical skeletons hell bent on harvesting souls for their C'Tan gods (at least, before the retcon in the recent codex), are an antithesis to psykers and psychic powers, long lived and self-repairing. Tyranids, on the other hand, are completely biological in nature (even their starships and guns are made of living organisms). They are a highly psychic race, with a gestalt hive mind which is the linked consciousness of all the creatures and are extremely short lived (so much so that many tyranids are born without digestive tracts, they're expected to die before they starve). Gameplay wise, Tyranids are consummate close combat specialist while Necrons rely heavily on their arsenal of long-ranged weapons (which are some of the best, aside from the Tau).

Square Peg Trope. Evil Counterpart description: "A character who chose to do evil, and has/had abilities and obstacles similar to the protagonist's. Sometimes, but not always, a Big Bad."
MagBas
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06:52:16 PM Jul 6th 2011
edited by MagBas
411314, why you believes Light Is Not Good is Evil Counterpart to Dark Is Evil? Why you believes Villain Protagonist is the Evil Counterpart to Hero Antagonist? Why you believes Villain Antagonist is the Evil Counterpart to Hero Protagonist and why you believes Dark Is Not Evil is the Evil Counterpart to Light Is Good? Say me, please.
MagBas
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08:14:16 PM Jun 3rd 2011
  • Fiamma of the Right is even more of an evil counterpart to Touma. Both of their powers come from their right hands, but while Touma's negates things, Fiamma's gives him any powers he wants. Touma is an atheist but wants to protect people, Fiamma is Holier Than Thou and wants to Kill All Humans.
  • Agent Smith in The Matrix becomes Neo's evil counterpart. Smith is a cold machine program while Neo is an emotional human. Neo is "The One" while Smith is "The Many". Neo begins to understand the machines

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite"
MagBas
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05:40:06 PM Mar 11th 2011
  • Gouda and Kuze are the main antagonists of the season and they are each other opposites in almost every way: Gouda is a terribly disfigured government agent who always dresses in black and tries to create a better society for Japan by working within the official government institutions and keeping a very low profile while secretly manipulating events from the shadows. Kuze is a cyborg in an incredibly handsome srtificial body and always wears white, and tries to create a better society by becomming a terrorist and defeating the corrupt government by raising public support and highly visible attacks on the state. In fact, Gouda manipulated Kuze to become the polar opposite of him to do the things Gouda couldn't do himself.

    • Father also seems to be an evil counterpart to Truth- his black Living Shadow true form contrasting with Turth's shape as a white outline of whoever he's talking to.

  • Also, there's Sousuke and Leonard. Heck, there are illustrations of them back-to-back, which are definitely made to show them contrasting and being opposite counterparts. Personality-wise, they're opposites. Sousuke is quiet, very unambitious, straight-forward, and frank to the point of being endearing. Leonard is (much more) talkative, has grandiose plans, and is very manipulative. Sousuke is an inexperienced, chaste virgin, and Leonard... to put it nicely, is most definitely not a virgin, and knows a lot more about sex. And physical appearance-wise, they are shown to have opposite colors, but still have similarities. For example, their height back-to-back is the same, they are both described numerous times to be the spitting image of their gorgeous mothers, but they have contrasting hair colors (dark hair and white hair) and contrasting outfit colors.

  • The Real Six Funeral Wreaths all fit this quite well. Byakuran is the Magnificent Bastard to Tsuna's Woobie Messiah. Kikyou is the reliable leader to Hibari's aloof and unreliable nature. Daisy being melancholic and depressed is the opposite to Ryohei. Torikabuto is loyal and trustworthy in sharp contrast to Mukuro's untrustworthy and treacherous personality. Zakuro is extremely laid back while Gokudera is very Hot-Blooded. Bluebell is impulsive and selfish while Yamamoto is rational and compassionate. Ghost comes from anther dimension while Lambo is a time traveler.

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite".
MagBas
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05:37:11 PM May 13th 2010
  • Pluto is a superpowered robot who blindly follows the orders of a corrupt master he doesn't even care about instead of developing his own will like Astro did.
  • Denko became a criminal due to being raised by the gangster Skunk Kusai, rather than having the loving friends & family that Astro did.
  • The Blue Knight highlights differing attitudes toward discrimination. While Astro fights for a world where humans & robots can live together, BK has completely lost faith in humanity & wants to build a robot Zion at any cost.
  • The Joker is also somewhat of an Evil Counterpart as while Batman uses planning and logic to fight for law and order, The Joker spreads anarchy through random acts of violence.
  • On a more contemporary level, the main trio have "shadow" counterparts in Slytherin (the first two are confirmed by Word Of God):
    • Harry (orphaned, unloved by his only living relatives, brave) and Draco Malfoy (has parents, spoiled, cowardly)
    • Hermione Granger (smart, unselfconscious, loves all her friends) and Pansy Parkinson (shallow, vain, only has eyes for Draco)
    • Ron Weasley (poor, outgoing, large family) and Blaize Zabini (wealthy, very aloof, only child with a great deal of missing father figures either because his mother is a "black widow" or Himawari-chan)
  • Aladdin arguably had a Evil Counterpart in the form of Mozenrath. He dresses richly and is very pale, as opposed to the tanned and poorly outfitted Aladdin. Another opposite is in method, with the physically weak though highly intelligent Mozenrath employing magic and extensive arcane knowledge as opposed to Aladdin's physical prowess and ability to cleverly adapt.
    • Had Mozenrath's voice actor not been Unavailable at the time, the Third Aladdin Movie would have revolved around Mozenrath being revealed as Aladdin's long lost brother
    • Zuko himself originally served as the Evil Counterpart to Aang. The two were literally Red Oni, Blue Oni, with Aang leading his life by his Nakama and hope while Zuko was pessimistic and hoped for honor. Various episodes from the first 2 seasons even played to this by having Zuko and Aang face similar predicaments.

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite".
ZombieAladdin
01:40:37 AM Dec 28th 2011
So, all these examples....Where WOULD they go then?
MagBas
05:11:02 AM Dec 28th 2011
Good question.
MithrandirOlorin
10:55:11 PM May 25th 2012
The Joker is Batman Opposite, in view the msot perfect execution of an Arch Enmey being the hero's Opposite. Several character have been intended to be Counterparts to Batman, but never really caught on. Butman is just to Awesome, there can only be one.
blueflame724
07:51:58 PM Nov 29th 2012
edited by blueflame724
Well the way I see it, Evil Counterpart should have at least a few similarities between characters, with a key difference/flipside. Or as with Shadow Archetype, they're almost complete opposites, but they represent the things which are repressed.
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